I understand it's part of the design they copied, but I wish these things didn't have the grip safety. Not a big issue if you actually shoot, but I've seen a few new shooters fail to depress it, enough to avoid recommending it to family/friends I know won't shoot more than a few times a year.
Does the grip safety on that have a particularly strong spring? I just don't see how you could have a reasonable grip on a firearm and not depress it.
The grip safety on mine is barely noticable.
Not a strong spring problem. Some people struggle to put their hand in the right place and it doesn't have a very tactile on/off feel imo. Overall not a problem for people who practice. I just see them get pushed on new shooters as the default 'poor hand strength' option when there's some drawbacks to the design. And those are the people who have problems consistently depressing it.
As far as I know Hi-point was the most recent manufacturer to release a gun in .30SC and it was one of their carbines (which I believe makes them the only manufacturer and probably the only people on earth to have ever made a .30SC Carbine besides maybe Federal themselves or some whacko bubba gunsmif)
it'll support whatever optic you're willing to pay to mount to it. out of the box the only Trijicon it can use is the RMR shield adapter plate for the rear sight dovetail and not the optics ready cut which is intended for crimson trace, holosun, et c type optics. leupold delta point also fits.
Kind of thinking about a .30 super carry as well. Harrell always seemed to like it a lot.
Trijicon is fine, but they're really not that great a choice anymore. Holosun and SIG seem to be where it's at as they're actually making new products, and trijicon is just resting on their laurels.
Means I'll be without a conceal carry firearm for the 2-8 weeks the 26's slide is out for milling. Also seems like it'd be nicer to carry a lighter gun for a bit. I agree that milling seems a lot nicer than using an MOS adapter plate. I could always buy a used 43x/48 and immediately send it out for milling, thanks for the idea!
Anything against the Shield Plus instead? I know I can get one of those milled too, but finding one used might be more difficult.
They're supposed to be good too, and a used gun + milling fees would be solid as not everybody offers a good footprint, or a footprint at all. Friend of mine got a used G48 for like 300 with a couple mags, so there's def some savings there. The gun had zero wear on the barrel when he got it, so it was basically brand new.
The grip safety is there for a very good reason. The target market of the M&P EZ is firearm novices, one of the biggest issues they have is not holding the gun correctly. The grip safety (which is easy to depress) forces them to hold it properly and learn proper firearm handling technique even in the absence of a training environment. I didn't "get" it until I was at the range with a novice who had an EZ, and I witnessed them holding the gun wrong and it not firing because the grip safety wasn't depressed, then they corrected their grip, fired the gun, and that's when it clicked for me why they did that. They didn't do it because people wanted it, they did it because people needed it. You have to keep in mind the EZ is intended for normies and novices, and every design element is in service of that.
I agree. I think it'd be cool if there was a 40 round mag in 30 super carry the size of a 30 round 9mm, but people already have 9mm. Which kinda stinks, but it is what it is.
Held a EZ once. Extremely comfortable gun. I found the grip safety easy to depress too. Like you said it's a good starter gun.
Yes that was the entire point of my posts. It's designed for new shooters or people who hardly shoot and it cannot fire without a good grip, something new shooters often lack especially under stress. As a range rental training aid it's fine, but not the ideal 'old woman' gun people say it is.
I guess SMGs were never thought to be used from a prone position that much, and bringing the magazine on top of the gun makes for funky sight arrangements. Especially nowadays, when optics are the default instead of iron sights.
The Owen was made by an Aussie. It's upside-down by default.