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Well, just got an email from Tucker Gun Leather that my custom holster and matching magazine carrier is on its way and should be here Friday. I ordered one of their Texas Short Stroke leather holsters and a matching double mag carrier. I'm looking forward to having it. Wait was about three and a half months. I'll post pics when it arrives. I still plan on eventually getting another shoulder rig from Nightingale Leather like I have for my Dan Wesson since that has been my favorite holster I've ever worn, but that's going to have to wait a good while since they're pretty spendy and Kevin's wait time is about half a year, and I've got other projects that need to come first.
 
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WelperHelper99 said:
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Has there been any new guns in .30 super carry or is it basically dead? I'll admit I find it cool in terms of ammo, you're able to stack up a lot of it, but it just doesn't seem much is chambered in it
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.30 Super carry? Oh yeah, you must mean the French long 7.65. That shit was dead before before it ever got off the ground. The must have found the guy that came up with the .45 GAP cartridge and asked him if he had any more great ideas.

The 100,000 firearms engineers employed over the years at a thousand firearm and ammo companies have spent trillions coming up with the most lethal projectile an auto loading pistol will work with. Considering the market is basically composed of 4 cartridges for full sized pistols, 9mm, 45ACP, .40S&W and the 10mm; 9mm and 45 are over 100 years old, the 40 and 10mm were developed in the mid 80's IIRC. The idea someone can engineer a "better" functional round without some giant leap forward in metallurgy, combustible powders or something we have yet to develop it's still the same cartridges. Just ask a Glock sales rep how well those .45GAP guns sold.



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RIP Johnny, you taught me to never trust the federal government.
 
Troon_Patrol said:
.30 Super carry? Oh yeah, you must mean the French long 7.65. That shit was dead before before it ever got off the ground. The must have found the guy that came up with the .45 GAP cartridge and asked him if he had any more great ideas.

The 100,000 firearms engineers employed over the years at a thousand firearm and ammo companies have spent trillions coming up with the most lethal projectile an auto loading pistol will work with. Considering the market is basically composed of 4 cartridges for full sized pistols, 9mm, 45ACP, .40S&W and the 10mm; 9mm and 45 are over 100 years old, the 40 and 10mm were developed in the mid 80's IIRC. The idea someone can engineer a "better" functional round without some giant leap forward in metallurgy, combustible powders or something we have yet to develop it's still the same cartridges. Just ask a Glock sales rep how well those .45GAP guns sold
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I mean you're not wrong lol. The market is basically dominated by 4 rounds, not counting revolvers. Those rounds dominate for a reason, they work. If you want balance, go with 9mm. Power while still having high ammo capacity, go 40. And if you just want raw power, 45 and 10mm. All the other calibers are just niche, even if they have pros and cons.

30 super carry really offered nothing new. Even 5.7 offered something new, it's AP ability with the right ammo and the ability to stack a ludicrous amount of ammo, like the 50 round mags in the P90. Kinda sad, competition is good, but it is the way it is.
 
Meh, The 5-7 pistol was marketed as this "pocket AR-15" pistol. If you want to pay out the ass for the blue-tip genuine AP ammo and you can actually find it then yes you can have something with mild AP capability that fits in a holster. So who wears soft body armor? Well mostly law enforcement ergo even when lawfully possessed AP ammo, some LEO's look at it like you are prepping to have a firefight with either the feds or the local PD. The P90 was very innovative but was designed for a Coldwar project for an invasion that never happened, If they made the P90 in 9mm or 10mm I'd consider buying one and starting SBR paperwork. Till then I consider it a gun for the "Patrick Tomlinson's" of the world.

Frankly I don't even know the legality of 5.7 AP factory loads. If you know how to use a lathe and work with basic tools you can make your own AP projectiles rounds and hand load some 5.7 if legal where applicable. My understanding was the old KTW rounds were just tungsten carbide wrapped in polymer so they would actually engage in grooves of rifling. Not that hard to make your own if you know how to hand-load already. Considering how easy it is to obtain and lawfully exempt as AP the current 5.56 AP greentips/blacktips rounds do the job very well out of the AR platform.

As I said before LE finds live AP in your possession, they will take offense to this lawful or otherwise.
 
Troon_Patrol said:
Meh, The 5-7 pistol was marketed as this "pocket AR-15" pistol. If you want to pay out the ass for the blue-tip genuine AP ammo and you can actually find it then yes you can have something with mild AP capability that fits in a holster. So who wears soft body armor? Well mostly law enforcement ergo even when lawfully possessed AP ammo, some LEO's look at it like you are prepping to have a firefight with either the feds or the local PD. The P90 was very innovative but was designed for a Coldwar project for an invasion that never happened, If they made the P90 in 9mm or 10mm I'd consider buying one and starting SBR paperwork. Till then I consider it a gun for the "Patrick Tomlinson's" of the world.

Frankly I don't even know the legality of 5.7 AP factory loads. If you know how to use a lathe and work with basic tools you can make your own AP projectiles rounds and hand load some 5.7 if legal where applicable. My understanding was the old KTW rounds were just tungsten carbide wrapped in polymer so they would actually engage in grooves of rifling. Not that hard to make your own if you know how to hand-load already. Considering how easy it is to obtain and lawfully exempt as AP the current 5.56 AP greentips/blacktips rounds do the job very well out of the AR platform.

As I said before LE finds live AP in your possession, they will take offense to this lawful or otherwise.
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Oh I don't disagree that, especially in civilian hands, it's a meme round. Personally wouldn't try getting AP ammo for it myself, don't know the legality, and 5.56 exists in the civilian market, which is just better.

It was just a comparison really. 30 super carry is light 9mm that I guess you can stack up more of (though really nothing exists taking advantage of that. At LEAST with 5.7 I can find theoretical pros, and why it still exists today.

Personally I'd rather have a 9mm or a .40. Both can be stacked up high and have plenty of aftermarket support. Virtually every modern PCC is chambered in both, meaning your pistol can share ammo with your carbine. And people usually have one or the other, meaning ammo sharing.

Only reason at this point I'd see someone buy a 30 SC is to have a oddball caliber in case of shortages, or just for fun. Unless new guns come out in it, it looks pretty dead.
 
5.7 and 4.6mm were being designed almost 50 years ago with the idea that they could bypass Soviet body armor that wasn't even in used anymore when it was commercially released. Muh blue helmets or deranged mass shooter will be wearing Lvl IV plates in this year of our lord.

 
Mini-14 folding stocks for SKS
Pre-order, and we all know how that goes; but I do hope it works out so I can get my hands on one for the just because.
 
John Badman said:
I purchased a surefire rc2 supressor, what’s a good muzzle host? Silencer shop also gave me a free warden blast regulator which is cool.
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Surefire's 3 or 4 prong flash hider. The brake is good too if you intend to never really shoot the gun without the suppressor (the Warden will come in handy if you do).
 
WelperHelper99 said:
I mean you're not wrong lol. The market is basically dominated by 4 rounds, not counting revolvers. Those rounds dominate for a reason, they work. If you want balance, go with 9mm. Power while still having high ammo capacity, go 40. And if you just want raw power, 45 and 10mm. All the other calibers are just niche, even if they have pros and cons.

30 super carry really offered nothing new. Even 5.7 offered something new, it's AP ability with the right ammo and the ability to stack a ludicrous amount of ammo, like the 50 round mags in the P90. Kinda sad, competition is good, but it is the way it is.
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I feel like having a straight walled 5.7 case of equivalent length would be like a .260-.285, offering the sick capacity of 5.7 but better performance in terms of real use. It'd probably be like a way better .22 magnum that's way more reliable both in feeding and primer ignition.
The 5.7 was made for a barrel at least twice as long as the FN 5.7 pistol, so it's really not cut out for handgun use.
John Badman said:
Does someone make subsonic 5.56 in similar spec to m885?
Edit: I guess not(:_(
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It's basically gonna be a .22 magnum bolt action but with bullets that don't expand. Good for fucking around, but not much else.
I suggest you get a $10 crackarooski scale and pull some bullets, dumping out powder until you're subsonic. Look and see what the load data is so you'll at least have a ballpark of how much to dump/leave in. You'll probably want to "bracket load" them, doing varying amounts of powder to get an exact speed.
 
SHIGGSHOGG said:
It's basically gonna be a .22 magnum bolt action but with bullets that don't expand. Good for fucking around, but not much else.
I suggest you get a $10 crackarooski scale and pull some bullets, dumping out powder until you're subsonic. Look and see what the load data is so you'll at least have a ballpark of how much to dump/leave in. You'll probably want to "bracket load" them, doing varying amounts of powder to get an exact speed.
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A long time ago even before .300 whisper was known as .300BLK, someone I swear to God made subsonic 5.56 "guaranteed" to cycle your DI factory AR-1., I could swear I've seen this with my own eyes. You take away all the speed from the 5.56 it just becomes a very very heavy copper jacket .22. 70 grains moving at subsonic? Thats less energy than a .380, pointless.

CMMG R&D dept had a hard time just developing a delayed blow back system for 9mm/45. They finally gave up on direct impingement and went with a rotational delay system, that seems to work well, less slam/weight than strait blowback but not as finicky and reliant on gas to drive the carrier.

People always seem to forget when a firearm is designed typically the engineers that build it carefully calculate the weight of moving parts and return springs around the chosen cartridge.
 
Troon_Patrol said:
A long time ago even before .300 whisper was known as .300BLK, someone I swear to God made subsonic 5.56 "guaranteed" to cycle your DI factory AR-1., I could swear I've seen this with my own eyes. You take away all the speed from the 5.56 it just becomes a very very heavy copper jacket .22. 70 grains moving at subsonic? Thats less energy than a .380, pointless.

CMMG R&D dept had a hard time just developing a delayed blow back system for 9mm/45. They finally gave up on direct impingement and went with a rotational delay system, that seems to work well, less slam/weight than strait blowback but not as finicky and reliant on gas to drive the carrier.

People always seem to forget when a firearm is designed typically the engineers that build it carefully calculate the weight of moving parts and return springs around the chosen cartridge.
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I've seen that for sale and in a video before, there was a company called Silent Strike that made 110gn 5.56. That's double what the barrels are supposed to run, so I imagine accuracy is straight up dogshit because it's probably tumbling like crazy. A side on hit would be pretty gnarly, but good luck hitting whatever you're shooting at.
Idk the foot pounds, but it's less than 147 9mm, and way way less than NATO spec 115 or 124 with a small fraction of the terminal performance. It's somewhere between .22lr and 9mm, closer to the 9 really. Even .300 isn't that great with subs, but it's workable if you need to make shit happen. Stuff like this is interesting, but you probably never buy more than a couple boxes purely for novelty. The purpose behind this is crushed when practicality is taken into account. Not many times when somebody has a suppressor but can't afford a PSA upper and some new ammo that's proven to at least try and be reliable. You certainly CAN run hydraulic fluid in your car engine or change your gender, but you'd be a total retard to do that when cheaper and much better solutions exist. No free lunches as they say.

This shit is all pretty finely tuned and most people aren't smarter than the guys who made the stuff, hence Glock "upgrades and such. People will try and get their .300 builds to "run supers and subs the same with a mag swap" and think they can outthink physics, but in the end they just waste money on dumb shit and deal with short stroking or hella gas and parts wear. Again, the lunch thing
 
SHIGGSHOGG said:
This shit is all pretty finely tuned and most people aren't smarter than the guys who made the stuff, hence Glock "upgrades and such. People will try and get their .300 builds to "run supers and subs the same with a mag swap" and think they can outthink physics, but in the end they just waste money on dumb shit and deal with short stroking or hella gas and parts wear. Again, the lunch thing
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Oh I can run supers and subs in my shorty .300BLK with that mag change. The difference is I re-bored the gas port wider to around .109" or so then put and adjustable gas block. I have OFF if I'm trying to run a strait pull AR, I have X turns for supers and X turns for subs.
 
Troon_Patrol said:
he idea someone can engineer a "better" functional round without some giant leap forward in metallurgy, combustible powders or something we have yet to develop it's still the same cartridges.
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7.92mm VBR in my LAR Grizzly project gun is very fun. 7.5 FK but even more hipster :)

18.5gr of IMR under a 165gr Hornady .321 FTX projectile at 1300 f/s if a plate burner, yet isn't terrible on recoil due to the .45 Win Mag frame and compensated barrel. i might make a test gun and create some sort of lever delay burst mechanism next year for funsies.
 
SHIGGSHOGG said:
I feel like having a straight walled 5.7 case of equivalent length would be like a .260-.285, offering the sick capacity of 5.7 but better performance in terms of real use. It'd probably be like a way better .22 magnum that's way more reliable both in feeding and primer ignition.
The 5.7 was made for a barrel at least twice as long as the FN 5.7 pistol, so it's really not cut out for handgun use
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Sorry for being late. That would be interesting though. A 26-28 cal straight walled pistol round. It'd have to be going fast, but I could see it working. It's competition is 25 ACP, and 25 NAA, which wouldn't be that hard to beat, especially if you upped the pressure.
 
Troon_Patrol said:
Oh I can run supers and subs in my shorty .300BLK with that mag change. The difference is I re-bored the gas port wider to around .109" or so then put and adjustable gas block. I have OFF if I'm trying to run a strait pull AR, I have X turns for supers and X turns for subs.
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I should have specified a little further, I meant trying to make supers and subs cycle the same with a mag change. There's no way around dealing with the extra energy and face gas of a really overgassed super. And by mag swap, I mean zero change to the gas system too.
WelperHelper99 said:
Sorry for being late. That would be interesting though. A 26-28 cal straight walled pistol round. It'd have to be going fast, but I could see it working. It's competition is 25 ACP, and 25 NAA, which wouldn't be that hard to beat, especially if you upped the pressure.
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I'd imagine so, but the 5.7 case is up for the task as it's rated for 5.56 pressures, so that wouldn't be an issue. You'd probably be able to get somewhat similar power to the 5.7 but with a complete powder burn, so maybe you'd even get a little more in that case.
The 5.7 seems to suck compared to the other main calibers, this'd just be a version that sucked way less while maintaining it's one advantage. It be better than a 9mm in terms of energy per magazine volume, but idk about performance on target. I suppose between 9 and 5.7....
 
SHIGGSHOGG said:
I'd imagine so, but the 5.7 case is up for the task as it's rated for 5.56 pressures, so that wouldn't be an issue. You'd probably be able to get somewhat similar power to the 5.7 but with a complete powder burn, so maybe you'd even get a little more in that case.
The 5.7 seems to suck compared to the other main calibers, this'd just be a version that sucked way less while maintaining it's one advantage. It be better than a 9mm in terms of energy per magazine volume, but idk about performance on target. I suppose between 9 and 5.7....
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I'd imagine it'd be going slower than 5.7, but the trade would be more mass while still having sufficient speed. That's how it'd have to work given the size of the case. And like you said, better powder burn, since now it's going slower in the barrel, meaning more burn time.

And you'd effectively keep the stacking ability of 5.7 without changing the geometry all that much, so hopefully you could use P90 mags, or at least a very similar knockoff in something like a PCC. I'd imagine pistols would stay the same capacity wise.

I'd be interested though in feeding, since while it'll have that polymer coating presumably, it doesn't have the bottleneck. Wonder if that would affect anything.
 
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