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Among Us Gaming said:
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Nazi tax.

It's only half a joke, but personally anything Third Reich I've ever seen has the Nazi tax. All the other Mausers can even be of German production or of similar quality, but they aren't from WW2 Germany and do not hit the same "popular value" as other guns. We may be decently read and know the value of a WW1 98az or a Persian Mauser (and you're right the Ethiopian ones are awesome in their decorations) and appreciate it, but it's all common that people just want teh nazeeeh gun. It's the same reason people try to sell off Stechkins or PM63s as "special operation" or "Stasi guns" instead of back-up weapons for vehicle crews and the like, because they're selling a dream. Or a meme. Like all Mosins are always "sniper variants" "sniper barrel" "matching".

And of course there are the legit K98k collectors that specifically want every year, every factory, every model. I've met a couple of those. Those are excused.
 
Boney said:
I don't know about that. I mean, FN makes plenty of stuff that goes toe to toe with H&K, but as far as having a consistent history of excellent QC and producta that are both innovative and actually turn out to be good/relevent 15years later? H&K has them beat.

Just look at the history of FN pistols vs H&K pistols.
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I call my FNX 45 the "USP 45 Tactical at home" for a reason. Lul.

I mean, yeah its a good gun and all, and it has more features than the USP (larger mags, Pic rail, an optics cut), but the USP still has a better trigger (well my HK45 does) and the HK45 shoots a bit softer, but I can only really tell when I shoot them back to back. Accuracy is a wash, and longevity is TBD, but I picked up my FNX used, and my first experience with it was as a jamm-o-matic, as I had neglected to really clean and lube the gun before I took it out for its first spin. Seems like the guy who traded it in ran a can on it until it got so dirty that it began to malfunction and just dumped it. It's fine now, of course.

The "squishy" magwell of the FN is overblown, imho, and mostly due to cramming 15 rounds of 45 into such a limited space. You're not really going to be collapsing the sides of the grip in with a proper grip, with a magazine in the gun, you can only really pinch it together a bit at the bottom.

I like my VP's too much to even give the FN striker pistols a fair shot, which is too bad, as they seem to be fairly good pistols, just in a saturated market full of good options.

I would like FN to drop an FNX in 10mm, the amount of good 10mm DA/SA options is pretty much limited to the EAA Witness pistols.
 
I was with a friend and we rented that fnx pre pimp. I thought it would be a nice enough gun made to over sell to Leo/mil and cawadooty kids.

But man it was a VERY well laid out weapon. Legitimately impressed and liked it. Not in marketplace for something like it and when they came out only in fde (can that trend stop) but damn FN hit a home run with it.

Saw a YouTuber shoot one of those rti carcano converted guns. He down loaded it a bunch.

If you don't hear from me after Saturday, my luck wasn't as good.
 
Bassomatic said:
I was with a friend and we rented that fnx pre pimp. I thought it would be a nice enough gun made to over sell to Leo/mil and cawadooty kids.

But man it was a VERY well laid out weapon. Legitimately impressed and liked it. Not in marketplace for something like it and when they came out only in fde (can that trend stop) but damn FN hit a home run with it.

Saw a YouTuber shoot one of those rti carcano converted guns. He down loaded it a bunch.

If you don't hear from me after Saturday, my luck wasn't as good.
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My FNX is black. I actually wanted the baby poop tan one, but the price was right for mine, as it came with a Vortex on top, too.
 
Boney said:
Just look at the history of FN pistols vs H&K pistols.
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FN definitely has H&K beat when it comes to pistols purely by the virtue of the High Power, It came out in 1935 and they still make it and it’s still used by a significant amount of countries. 90 years and still relevant!
 
Among Us Gaming said:
I tend to enjoy the older military surplus guns. Muh woodnsteel and all.

That said, what never ceases to amaze me is the price people are willing to pay for k98k rifles.

This is a basic, bolt action rifle, which had around 14 million made. The only markings found on these rifles are essentially a serial number, manufacturers code, and very small proof marks. Yet, for some reason, people will pay well into the 1000-1200 figures for one of these rifles.
To put it into perspective, the FN manufactured Ethiopian mausers, only had about 25 thousand rifles total. They each have a large lion of judah proofmark, a large Ethiopian national crest across the receiver, and are in an interwar pattern.
Yet, even very nice condition examples, when they do come up for sale, only reach around $800.

There are many other examples of much rarer and (imo) more interesting mausers that dont even touch k98k prices, and the whole affair baffles me.
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you can get factory Mauser hunting M98s that are very very high quality for the same or less as a worn out K98, its crazy.
Shitty shot out war rifle with wormy wood vs mint double set trigger scoped w/ good irons with top quality wood and engraving.
 
I'm first and foremost a mil surp historical gun guy. I own probably dozen Mausers one only one is German. I paid out the ass for. It's a non cut down rollercoaster site g98 with a clean mark.

German/Nazi marks are big for collectors and it's annoying and understandable.

Shit that really sucks tho is being an American how we gave our shit away and trying to get your hands on it.

I was over 35 before I justified paying for an m1 garand. We have so many sitting with cmp over in korea etc.

I hate (in terms of looks feel fun factor) Glocks but what's on my waist? Yeah. I hate hate hate "best" gun but if I had to pick I'd say a g19. Damn solid guns.
 
Dead Lion said:
FN definitely has H&K beat when it comes to pistols purely by the virtue of the High Power, It came out in 1935 and they still make it and it’s still used by a significant amount of countries. 90 years and still relevant!
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Practically every pistol on the planet uses the lock up method of the Hi-Power save for like four or five pistols from Beretta that are loosely based on the P38, or have a rotating barrel action.

The Hi-Power is like the 1911, they're not really used in anything anymore and the ones left in service are clapped the fuck out, barring the handful of folks who use a gucci build from Novaks or something for duty use.
 
BikeLock said:
The Hi-Power is like the 1911, they're not really used in anything anymore and the ones left in service are clapped the fuck out, barring the handful of folks who use a gucci build from Novaks or something for duty use.
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The Hi-Power and the 1911 always make me wonder what they would have become if they'd never been retired as main sidearms. Like, if no one ever bothered to design another handgun ever again, what would they look like after almost a century of basically every arms manufacturer in the world having an incentive to improve it? I know someone, somewhere has been fucking around with them since their release, but what might they have become if they'd had as much focused development as the AR-15 or AR-18 has had? The logical answer is that they'd end up looking a lot like 2011s, but there's always that chance that some weirdo working at Colt would do a few too many lines and make some breakthrough.
 
Friedrich Hayek's Ghost said:
The Hi-Power and the 1911 always make me wonder what they would have become if they'd never been retired as main sidearms. Like, if no one ever bothered to design another handgun ever again, what would they look like after almost a century of basically every arms manufacturer in the world having an incentive to improve it? I know someone, somewhere has been fucking around with them since their release, but what might they have become if they'd had as much focused development as the AR-15 or AR-18 has had? The logical answer is that they'd end up looking a lot like 2011s, but there's always that chance that some weirdo working at Colt would do a few too many lines and make some breakthrough.
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You’d probably end up with something like the CZ-75 and it’s descendants. To my understanding it’s basically the final evolution of the high-power, and it’s my second favourite gun ever.

I know it’s not as popular in the states as it is in Europe, but here it’s basically team glock and team CZ with both sides constantly arguing over which one is better.
 
Finally ordered a high quality barrel for my tx22 from lakeline. I love this gun, it's perfect for draw and fire practice. Fits in a M&P Safariland holster and the hood engages as well. The factory barrels are just kinda dog shit. I mean they are like $50. Trigger on it is surprising for such a cheap gun. Highly recommend it in general.
 
BikeLock said:
I call my FNX 45 the "USP 45 Tactical at home" for a reason. Lul.

I mean, yeah its a good gun and all, and it has more features than the USP (larger mags, Pic rail, an optics cut), but the USP still has a better trigger (well my HK45 does) and the HK45 shoots a bit softer, but I can only really tell when I shoot them back to back. Accuracy is a wash, and longevity is TBD, but I picked up my FNX used, and my first experience with it was as a jamm-o-matic, as I had neglected to really clean and lube the gun before I took it out for its first spin. Seems like the guy who traded it in ran a can on it until it got so dirty that it began to malfunction and just dumped it. It's fine now, of course.

The "squishy" magwell of the FN is overblown, imho, and mostly due to cramming 15 rounds of 45 into such a limited space. You're not really going to be collapsing the sides of the grip in with a proper grip, with a magazine in the gun, you can only really pinch it together a bit at the bottom.

I like my VP's too much to even give the FN striker pistols a fair shot, which is too bad, as they seem to be fairly good pistols, just in a saturated market full of good options.

I would like FN to drop an FNX in 10mm, the amount of good 10mm DA/SA options is pretty much limited to the EAA Witness pistols.
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FN is making a 10mm now. Kentucky Ballistics did a video on it recently, shooting it suppressed, and his ended up breaking. He was shooting it suppressed with a Surefire X300 mounted and the frame where the dust cover/rail is and the trigger guard snapped right off.

When it comes to pistols I prefer HK, especially the Mk23. I absolutely adore mine. I do like the HP and would love to own one someday, but I'd probably take an HK P9 or P7 first. When it comes to rifles, I really like both. However I do tend to prefer machined metal over stamped, so if given the choice I'd likely take a FAL over a G3, but that would be contingent on also getting a good supply of surplus magazines in good condition since no one is really making reliable FAL mags right now. Both companies make excellent, reliable, rugged MGs. In fact HK is even making a GPMG based on the FN MAG, but much more modern, even more so than the current M240s. HK's roller locked MGs are pretty great. Modular to the extreme so that you can change calibers, barrel lengths, and even change them from belt-fed to box mags. The HK11 is their .308 MG fed from box mags, and there was a variant of it called the G8 made to fill a request from one German agency or military unit (GSG9 maybe?) that could be set up as a battle rifle, marksman rifle, automatic rifle, or belt-fed squad automatic by changing out the barrels, feed mechanism, and trigger group for the needed role. And then there's HK's SMGs, which aside from the P90 FN really has no counterpart to. FN really never got into the SMG business. Then again, FN is also known for shotguns and HK never really entered that field aside from a short collaboration with Benelli and their entry into the CAWS program, which apparently was quite the combat shotgun.
 
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