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If anyone cares, I took your advice and avoided the jet sig. Now I'm waiting on tax stamps for a b&t tp9 sbr and the can. I also have a gigliotti trigger that needs installing because 11lbs is an affront to God. Probably going to go with an acro and a holosun iris 2 on a knockoff Hydra mount for optics.

Dude, nice! I'm super jelly roll about your TP9 SBR. Such a super sexy secret squirrel gun. I'm probably going to get a Kriss Vector Gen 3 SBR for my next gun, but the TP9 Pro has me seriously tempted as well. Post pics when you get it out of tax stamp jail.
 
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hopefully it's just like their pistols - nothing really special, but incredibly affordable and incredibly reliable.
If these things are, say, 6-700 dollars and end up having really good QC, I can definitely see them taking a chunk out of Ruger, IWI, and SW's AR sales - maybe even PSA's sales if the quality is appealing enough to outweigh PSA's rock bottom pricing.
 
It's been happening to those, as well. This guy is putting the work in, though who knows if that's the only issue.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KuTxhHZ0uiA
They can always return to the P250.
As much as I do love the P250, the vast majority of people don't want a DOA hammer fired pistol with a long trigger pull. Plus the P250 shares the same fatal ejector flaw as P320, it's better to let it all end here instead of limping a failed platform along any further.
 
Plus the P250 shares the same fatal ejector flaw as P320, it's better to let it all end here instead of limping a failed platform along any further.
what "fatal ejector flaw"? i've worked with SIG firearms for a very long time and P232 and P320 are the only pistols in my mind that had ejection issues that were severe enough to need a part replacement. the P250 had an initial run that got a couple contracts cancelled because the trigger bar was slipping on the hammer and resulted in light strikes. a 2nd gen FCU fixed it, but by then people didn't like the long (but consistent and reasonable) trigger pull and DAO action, and the light strikes had soured the pistol on the market enough that SIG began pushing the SP line refresh really hard (SIG Pro) as well as P226 variations while work was being done on what would become the P320.
 
what "fatal ejector flaw"? i've worked with SIG firearms for a very long time and P232 and P320 are the only pistols in my mind that had ejection issues that were severe enough to need a part replacement. the P250 had an initial run that got a couple contracts cancelled because the trigger bar was slipping on the hammer and resulted in light strikes. a 2nd gen FCU fixed it, but by then people didn't like the long (but consistent and reasonable) trigger pull and DAO action, and the light strikes had soured the pistol on the market enough that SIG began pushing the SP line refresh really hard (SIG Pro) as well as P226 variations while work was being done on what would become the P320.
I believe he's talking about how you can over insert the magazine and permanently deform the ejector and it's not user replaceable. Sig will just bend it back.



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over insert the magazine and permanently deform the ejector
i see what you mean, although SIG's official fix per their service center documentation for the P320 is an FCU replacement on department issue weapons and using the standard 17 round magazine (no hi caps/extended caps). not really ideal for the competition shooter, but it seems that having a little shim of plastic to provide the < 1mm of space between the baseplate and grip can solve this handily enough and be epoxied in place with little effort until a new baseplate with altered geometry is offered. heck i could probably 3d print something.

for the FCU of already bent ejectors, cutting it off with a cutoff wheel and dremel a little slot, then laser weld a replacement ejector from 0.085" 304 stainless will be a semi-permanent fix. i've done this with some very well used X-Five pistols using the 20 round mags and figured it was an issue from just hard use (bent and cracking).
 
Don't know how to dl xitter vids, but here's another 320 that just oopsied. Witnesses there are swearing up and down he didn't have his hand on the gun at the time of discharge. It was allegedly in a T1C OWB holster and was (maybe) an X5 legion with an aftermarket barrel w/ comp and maybe different grip module, the parts changed shouldn't have anything to do with random discharge, though again, this is just according to someone who was in the class where the discharge occurred. Ben Stoeger has also posted about it on Instagram and his YouTube. In Ben Stoeger's video on this he mentioned that Chicago has banned it from being able to be carried by their police due to safety concerns. As well, just recently the OKC PD have switched from p320s to HK VP9s due to a p320 that went off at a school playground in December. It may be banned state wide there too.
Now cops aren't known for being the most safe, but whatever the truth is, this is severely going to be harming Sig's bottom line as more and more police departments move to safer platforms.
The fact that his first question is, "is that a fucking 320?" is pretty hilarious.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BMNDydv8GCY
More AR15 autism that they post on Twitter 30 times a day to rage bait boomers.
The M16 is literally an AR-15 variant. Like the M9 vs the Beretta 92. No the "M9" is not 1:1 the same as the current Beretta 92FS, it is a variant of the Beretta 92, like the SA only models. Those are all Beretta 92's, the M9 is the specific version of the 92 that won the .gov contract, that's it. The M-16 is the version of the "AR-15" that won the .gov contract. The only "special" parts about the M-16 that it has over the "AR-15" is the specific TDP that they have to be built to to meet the contract, which includes the parts that go "brrt" that have to be left out of the semi-auto only models. What muddies this a bit is that there are legit commercial full auto AR-15s. So if you're getting into the weeds, its usually due to collector autismo shit, like the commercial Colt rifles that Delta used during Blackhawk Down, those were technically not M-16s, those were Colt 723s, which are commercial full auto AR-15 carbines that were pre-M4, which are also AR-15s.
 
What is most interesting to me on the p320 debacle is the amount of siggers that are dedicated to sucking sig cock for absolutely no reason
 
The M16 is literally an AR-15 variant. Like the M9 vs the Beretta 92. No the "M9" is not 1:1 the same as the current Beretta 92FS, it is a variant of the Beretta 92, like the SA only models. Those are all Beretta 92's, the M9 is the specific version of the 92 that won the .gov contract, that's it. The M-16 is the version of the "AR-15" that won the .gov contract. The only "special" parts about the M-16 that it has over the "AR-15" is the specific TDP that they have to be built to to meet the contract, which includes the parts that go "brrt" that have to be left out of the semi-auto only models. What muddies this a bit is that there are legit commercial full auto AR-15s. So if you're getting into the weeds, its usually due to collector autismo shit, like the commercial Colt rifles that Delta used during Blackhawk Down, those were technically not M-16s, those were Colt 723s, which are commercial full auto AR-15 carbines that were pre-M4, which are also AR-15s.
Sonny, if you put a 5 fifty six in your 2 twenty three it will kersplode

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I can't stress enough how pissed I am the 320 sucks as bad as it does, but I'm definitely thankful I never bought one.
It feels great in the hand, the trigger almost pulls itself(:stickup:) and I'm used to the mile-high SigSauer bore axis. Oh well, maybe next decade we'll see another wondernine attempt to dethrone Glock.
Hehe the thing is, the striker fired semi auto handgun was pretty much figured out in the 1980s with Glock.

Beyond a better grip angle and a few little ergonomic tweaks, there isn't much to improve besides cost.... And Sig knows all about cost engineering.

The beat a Glock you need to be just as reliable and cheaper. Or use Glock magazines and be cheaper and more ergonomic.

That's pretty much it.

If you're coming out with proprietary magazines you better make them open source/cheaper than Glock mags.
 
SIG 320 stuff
Hey Clubby, have you tried any of those "tests" on a 320 shown in some videos posted ITT? If so, have you noticed any trends you'd care to comment on?

I have a 320 I use for travel and rucking. I put Apex Tactical fire control parts in it, tried those tests, and it appears my pistol is unlikely to have a mechanical ND. I'm asking you because you probably have a sample size far larger than 1 for any of this stuff.
Sig should have stuck with the better pistol.
The SP 2022.
That really was a pretty good pistol. Nostalgia makes me slightly curious to see if I could find a gently used one cheap. Back when I owned one in the ancient times it was the 2009, though.
 
Hehe the thing is, the striker fired semi auto handgun was pretty much figured out in the 1980s with Glock.

Beyond a better grip angle and a few little ergonomic tweaks, there isn't much to improve besides cost.... And Sig knows all about cost engineering.

The beat a Glock you need to be just as reliable and cheaper. Or use Glock magazines and be cheaper and more ergonomic.

That's pretty much it.

If you're coming out with proprietary magazines you better make them open source/cheaper than Glock mags.
I like my VP9 flavored glonk more than my actual Gen 4 Glock 19. I think the VP9 uses a striker system that is similar to the Walther P99, which is why the trigger is so much better. The crappy feel of the Glock trigger is baked into the design more or less. I'm sure you can get a modified trigger that eliminates that half stroke that fully cocks the striker, but then you lose one of the safety mechanisms built into the design, no thanks if I'm gonna carry it.

"muh grip angle" and "muh bore axis" are overrated concerns, imho. If either one of those throws you off, literally git gud, faggot.
 
Hey Clubby, have you tried any of those "tests" on a 320 shown in some videos posted ITT? If so, have you noticed any trends you'd care to comment on?

I have a 320 I use for travel and rucking. I put Apex Tactical fire control parts in it, tried those tests, and it appears my pistol is unlikely to have a mechanical ND. I'm asking you because you probably have a sample size far larger than 1 for any of this stuff.
i haven't, but i can do so with some i have in inventory. about the only trend i've noticed on parts is the the slide stop getting a bit of a shiny spot above the 6k round count and the ejector going negative somewhere between 5k and 10k rounds with duty ammo (124gr GD +p 9mm). recoil springs i measure and replace as needed, but typically they test fine at 5k/10k. i recommend replacing them anyway as it's SIG's part replacement schedule (5k recoil spring for compact, 10k for full size, 10k for slide stop lever and spring, barrel at 20k et c). for comparison another department i service uses H&K handguns and they have a similar schedule with much longer service intervals for their parts. 20k+ for a recoil spring isn't unusual for an H&K duty pistol. S&W M&P 2.0 used by another smaller department has a recoil spring replacement per 5k since that's the recommended interval, but the reality is the spring can go for 10k or so very easily as the metallurgy is very good and the use in the M&P 2.0 is very mild on wear. S&W is weirdly conservative about it is all.

common mistakes is over-lubrication since the FCU and striker assembly are PVD'd and should need no lube at all, and no lube for the sear assembly either as again it's PVD'd and self lubricating. adding oil or something there will just attract dirt/dust/debris especially in the striker channel in the slide.
 
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