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Foley said:
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I have a feeling this is the biggest problem and SIG knows this, because with the P365 they went with a milled FCU (vs stamped) with slide rails milled along the entire FCU frame (vs essentially 4 tabs bent outwards on the P320). If it wasn't a problem I don't think they would've redesigned it like this.
Combine that with the completely redesigned striker block and that's probably why you haven't heard of anyone's P365 going off, not that I'd trust a SIG any more after this disaster.

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the two tabs in front are what hold the slide to the FCU, along with the ones in the back
How easy would it be to bend the two in front out of alignment and/or out of spec? lets say, enough to lift the slide & striker off the sear.
 
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Muskie said:
What were the circumstances(holstered or unholstered)? Was it an older pistol? Im curious if these issues appeared recently or have been there since day one.
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I was mocking the fallacy in that cartoon and all the experts claiming a rare event doesn't happen because it's never happened to them. Actually I have had one UD with a rifle alone in the house that I'm eternally ashamed of.

In my case I was about to remove the upper from an AR and went through the safety motions I'd done a thousand times, remove the mag (in this case there was no mag when I picked it up) so I just cycled the charging handle to faux-clear it and pulled the trigger to release. BANG!!!!!! Turns out it did have the only 5rd mag I have ever owned in it and when I went through the motions with the charging handle it loaded a round instead of clearing any. Luckily the other safe-handling practices had me pointing the thing up, away and towards an exterior wall by default so I just had a hole in the wall, a bruised ego and some scared birds outside.

Yes that was incredibly stupid and I only tell the story so others might realize that it doesn't matter how experienced you think you are. It happens. In my case it was all that experience that made me complacent. Lesson learned.
 
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Autistic Gunspergings said:
I have a feeling this is the biggest problem and SIG knows this, because with the P365 they went with a milled FCU (vs stamped) with slide rails milled along the entire FCU frame (vs essentially 4 tabs bent outwards on the P320). If it wasn't a problem I don't think they would've redesigned it like this.
Combine that with the completely redesigned striker block and that's probably why you haven't heard of anyone's P365 going off, not that I'd trust a SIG any more after this disaster.
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I hope that their mad dash to get the P320 contract bites them in the ass, because the P365XL is basically what the P320 should've been.
I look at P320 fans like i look at ricers in the 2000s. Except at least when you strap a bunch of bullshit onto a Honda Civic, its still powered by a Vtec.
 
SaidNoOneEver said:
I was mocking the fallacy in that cartoon and all the experts claiming a rare event doesn't happen because it's never happened to them. Actually I have had one UD with a rifle alone in the house that I'm eternally ashamed of.

In my case I was about to remove the upper from an AR and went through the safety motions I'd done a thousand times, remove the mag (in this case there was no mag when I picked it up) so I just cycled the charging handle to faux-clear it and pulled the trigger to release. BANG!!!!!! Turns out it did have the only 5rd mag I have ever owned in it and when I went through the motions with the charging handle it loaded a round instead of clearing any. Luckily the other safe-handling practices had me pointing the thing up, away and towards an exterior wall by default so I just had a hole in the wall, a bruised ego and some scared birds outside.

Yes that was incredibly stupid and I only tell the story so others might realize that it doesn't matter how experienced you think you are. It happens. In my case it was all that experience that made me complacent. Lesson learned.
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This is literally how I managed the one AD I've managed in my life.

Got comfortable and was "going through the motions" instead of being deliberate and safe and, whoops lol there was a live round in there!

Always. Be. Deliberate.
 
Doing some more fooling around tonight. Here's some 7.62x51mm NATO goodness for you fellers.

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WhoBusTank69 said:
Since the AR-18 was introduced to the international market to lukewarm reception due to it being "cheap" in both construction and cost, it has been ripped off by European countries. It only stands to reason that it continues.
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DocAwe said:
IMO With rare exceptions if it's not an AR15 or an AK it's basically an AR-18.
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Yep, the SCAR 16/17 in Belgium, the Howa Type 20 in Japan, the G36E/K/C formerly used by the Germans, the MCX, BREN 2, HK433, MSBS GROT, APC556 & HK416 now G95. Can you tell I'm obsessed with this line of rifles yet?
Funny thing is I've shot pretty much all of these that are available to get in the US. My favorite though are the G36 clones you could get here for a while until Tommy Built shit the bed. Some were pretty rough when it came to the QC issues due to GSG9 USA shenanigans but if you got yourself one that worked? Oh boy, you'd be in for what is the lightest service rifle ever with recoil that isn't even bad for the weight you're dealing with. A high level of modularity - handguards that can be swapped out in seconds, modular lowers that can take different kinds of magazines, a top rail that can be changed out for anything you'd like. Top that with the base rifle being well thought out and years ahead of its time and you have yourself quite the piece, meltdown allegations be damned. Hell if Steyr ever gets to importing or making the G36 with an aluminum receiver it'd easily compete with the likes of the SCAR or BREN.

AR-18 my beloved....
 
The common response to the triggerpullslidewiggle technique is that if you remove the takeup or purposely defeat the trigger safety it's intentionally firing the gun. You set it through the motions, after all. I think this is a gross miscommunication and misunderstanding. The initial video does not satisfy those who are professionals, it does not benefit those who do not understand guns, it's a very casual explanation that works off of too many hypothetical what-if yeahbuts for either.

The P320 has a relatively light trigger pull. There is no trigger safety and arguably it should not be needed while all is in working order. <1mm towards the break after the wall as was shown in the original video should not disengage the striker safety, we have animations and video showing the actuation of that. A complete trigger pull is what is theoretically required, on paper, to allow the striker to drop. The video shows evidence to the contrary.
He introduces a conundrum in that, with minimal force on the trigger, the striker safety is defeated prematurely by downward pressure on the slide. I see that as a likely issue compounded with the mixed generational stealth updates showing up more and more recently. Maybe it is the holster, or that the trigger guard is too thin for adequate protection? Maybe the parts fitment is awkward enough to wiggle the striker safety up and out of the way?

It's a hypothesis that needed to be introduced, but people point at the screw as the tipping point rather than overlaying it with the bigger picture of how the gun is intended to function.

WhoBusTank69 said:
Ivan is trying to get internet famous again. Being polite failed, being quirky failed, fedposting only got him put in the news and aggressively sperging out seems to be the only thing that works so he's warmed up his mom's camcorder for another "WELL ACKSHUALLY" post in regards to the P320 testing videos that he may have missed the, albeit flawed, intended message of.
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Responses are not happy because in his hurry to completely miss the point he's now confusing the internet populace with his own unintended message that all guns are now unsafe based on this test.
Well done, you retarded FIB.
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HelpingNoone said:
0.05mm is half a human hair. That seems like a really hard spec to meet with stamped and bent steel without coming through with an 2nd op to mill things.
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According to the screenshot, it's an unequal tolerance band, biased toward under nominal. +.05mm -.10mm or roughly +.002"/0.004". Realistically the .05mm true position tolerance with Max Material Condition modifier would be more troublesome than the distance between the edges of the "rails". On such a small, precise part, you're using progressive dies and with good process control and tooling including quality inspections, it does not look like a difficult spec to meet IMO. Especially since it's biased toward undersized so with good tooling designers and process control, you can bias your production to result in slightly under nominal parts where the tolerance band is larger and avoid any over max condition parts that would have to be corrected by machining or discarded if they violate the true position + MMC.

Obviously, I'd need to see the whole drawing including the notes to give you a full breakdown on whether the FCU frame is actually a hard part to meet spec on, and would need the drawings for every part in the FCU and slide to tell you if a within spec worst case stack would be unsafe (it shouldn't be, that would be a major engineering blunder). A full stack up on every part involved would be damn time consuming though, so I wouldn't want to do it lol
 
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