Mega Rad Gun Thread

[HelpingNoone]

Hello Gentlemen, I have returned once again to ask you all for advice. Quite a few of you mentioned that I should go for a shotgun instead of a handgun, and since I already have my deceased father’s handgun promised to me (thank you Granddad) I opted to purchase a shotgun instead. I found 2 suitable candidates for such a purchase, both found on Guns dot com:

Mossberg 88 Security
Pros:
>8 round capacity on the specific model I found
>Rated very well by channels like Hickok45 and TheFirearmGuy
>Bayonet Lug
>Newly manufactured
>Fee free purchase
Cons:
>More expensive than other option at $246
>Action may jam, though such incidents are freak accidents
>Choke sold separately
>No rear sight

Remington 500 AT
Pros:
>Built in Choke
>Wood furniture is more aesthetically pleasing than Mossberg 88
>Fiber Optic front bead sight (and rear sight, though unknown if also fiber optic
>>Cheaper than Mossberg at $230
Certified used by Guns dot com
Neutral:
>Effectively modified Mossberg 500 manufactured by Remington
>Unknown if rated by trusted guntubers
Cons:
>Lower capacity (5 rounds vs 8 )
>Used model (Very Good condition)

I’m kind of leaning towards the Mossberg because it’s pretty much as close I can get to a real life M90 CAWS from Halo CE, however the 500AT looks a lot better. I could also just forego either and get the wildcard option, a Winchester 120 presumably manufactured and used around WWII or even during the conflict. Regardless I’ll be happy with whatever I end up with. You guys have a great day and God bless the South

Aren't both of these just Mossbergs. Not sure why Guns.com has "Remington" in the title...

Choke is not my vibe.

I’m not accusing you of such a thing but there appears to be a lot of Mossberg glazing among firearm enthusiasts but I’m sure it’s for a good reason, God knows I’ve glazed my state enough to make people think thats the only thing I care about lmao

You are gonna hear a lot of Mossberg because Remington basically killed their image in the last decade. Older 870s are solid though.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Quite a few of you mentioned that I should go for a shotgun instead of a handgun

What is your use case for the shotgun?

For me, I only shoot clays with them so I prefer a O/U style gun.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

I guess I am lucky that I can get my transfers free through work. No LGS required.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Hello Gentlemen

A few things: Guns.com is both an online store and a site for retailers to list product on. Mislabeling and false advertisement can happen even with certified listings, as evidenced by the "Remington 500" where it's clearly a Mossberg.
YouTube gun reviews are a poor metric. Generally speaking a YouTube gun review will be positive because they either do not own the gun or put in the time to actually use it to see failure points. Sootch00, for example, has likely not ever published a negative review.
Please do not list assumed pros and cons when asking for advice. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm saying it makes you look dumb.

As for your question: You seem to be a cheap bastard. That's OK. The Maverick 88 is the Mossberg 500 made in Mexico using an aluminum receiver, there is nothing wrong with this. The Mossberg 500 is very standard, parts are everywhere, but the AT variant is a sporting model that likely still has a 2-round limiter stuffed in the tube that can be difficult to remove and also a longer buttstock that will make you hate shouldering it. Every problem you will face with either option can be fixed by the near-infinite number of spare and aftermarket parts out there but it will cost money. If you are looking for a defensive shotgun, the Maverick 88 is already set up for it and is much more forgiving in terms of handling. If you are looking to modify the gun in any way, which will cost hundreds of dollars, the Mossberg 500 will be your pick.

Also you do not strike me as someone who will ever use a bayonet.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Hello Gentlemen, I have returned once again to ask you all for advice. Quite a few of you mentioned that I should go for a shotgun instead of a handgun

ARs are so cheap and ubiquitous these days why would you ever want a shotgun? I’m pretty sure PSA has some deal where you can get a Glock 19 clone and an AR for $500 too. I only have a 590a1 (just for a shotgun with bayonet loaded and kept in a random room) and a 1897 (Resident Evil remake, trench gun, it’s cool).

All you’ll need after that is a holster for the pistol, sling for the rifle, light for the rifle, and maybe a red dot (plus at least 5-10 mags for the pistol or rifle)

 

[Alcoholism]

Hello Gentlemen, I have returned once again to ask you all for advice. Quite a few of you mentioned that I should go for a shotgun instead of a handgun, and since I already have my deceased father’s handgun promised to me (thank you Granddad) I opted to purchase a shotgun instead. I found 2 suitable candidates for such a purchase, both found on Guns dot com:

Mossberg 88 Security
Pros:
>8 round capacity on the specific model I found
>Rated very well by channels like Hickok45 and TheFirearmGuy
>Bayonet Lug
>Newly manufactured
>Fee free purchase
Cons:
>More expensive than other option at $246
>Action may jam, though such incidents are freak accidents
>Choke sold separately
>No rear sight

Remington 500 AT
Pros:
>Built in Choke
>Wood furniture is more aesthetically pleasing than Mossberg 88
>Fiber Optic front bead sight (and rear sight, though unknown if also fiber optic
>>Cheaper than Mossberg at $230
Certified used by Guns dot com
Neutral:
>Effectively modified Mossberg 500 manufactured by Remington
>Unknown if rated by trusted guntubers
Cons:
>Lower capacity (5 rounds vs 8 )
>Used model (Very Good condition)

I’m kind of leaning towards the Mossberg because it’s pretty much as close I can get to a real life M90 CAWS from Halo CE, however the 500AT looks a lot better. I could also just forego either and get the wildcard option, a Winchester 120 presumably manufactured and used around WWII or even during the conflict. Regardless I’ll be happy with whatever I end up with. You guys have a great day and God bless the South

Are you shooting clays? If not, then why do you give a shit about a choke?

Both are fine guns. If this is for self defense, get the Mossberg.

ARs are so cheap and ubiquitous these days why would you ever want a shotgun?

For me, personally, if someone is ever dumb enough to break into my house while I'm in it I want to turn them into hamburger.

Older 870s are solid though.

New ones are good too. I have a recently made 870 and have had great success with it at the range. Feels better put together than recent Mossbergs I've handled.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Shotguns are an experts weapon for defense. High recoil, low ammo, and manual cycling requires a high degree of skill to be effective with.

The myth that it will destroy anything in the general direction you point it is pure fuddlore. Even with a short barrel and open choke you will get fist sized patterns at the distances inside your house.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

Does anybody put lasers on shotguns? Seems like a good idea for indoors use if you don't wanna block any FOV

 

[ellroy]

Does anybody put lasers on shotguns? Seems like a good idea for indoors use if you don't wanna block any FOV

You're going to spend more time looking for the dot/laser than doing a standard low-ready or over-the-shoulder-ready position and taking aim.

 

[Internet-Based Lobotomy]

It's a century and is made in Turkey if the letters on the side can be trusted. Some guy next toe said they're brought into the country as auto and then converted, idk how true that is but maybe somebody forgot to do all the steps.

For HK style stamped receivers they literally cut a chunk out of the receiver and weld a denial tab in place. There should be literally no way it could be converted. If they forgot to cut and weld it'd be really obvious and as mentioned Century would be flayed for such a fuck up.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Glock 19 clone

Dagger's are unreliable shit buckets that are range toys not self defense tools.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Agreed. Pre-90s S&Ws are excellent guns. I've had a few vintage N Frame magnums that were works of art. Two first generation no dash Model 57s, and a Model 28 Highway Patrolman from 1955. I also had a nickel plated 586 from the early 80s that I wish I still had. Would have made a fine BBQ gun with the right grips and rig.

For modern revolvers, I would personally go for Colt over Ruger. Nothing wrong with Rugers, they're rugged and reliable wheelguns. Its just that Colt has the quality, reliability, and the aesthetics whereas Rugers are rather frumpy and utilitarian looking.

Get a 5 screw pre-Model 10. Still have one from the Great War that fires like the day it was machined.

 

[Sauro]

Seems I’ve kind of kicked the hornet’s nest on this one. Remember my friends I’m simply trying to ask which one to go for, no need to get angry

What is your use case for the shotgun?

For me, I only shoot clays with them so I prefer a O/U style gun.

My use case is that I really just want to take it out to the range and shoot with it, maybe hunt with it if my uncle invites me on another hunting trip

Shotguns are an experts weapon for defense. High recoil, low ammo, and manual cycling requires a high degree of skill to be effective with.

The myth that it will destroy anything in the general direction you point it is pure fuddlore. Even with a short barrel and open choke you will get fist sized patterns at the distances inside your house.

Believe it or not I’m not as dumb as I sound. I do agree that the notion shotguns are the ultimate self defense is foolish, though the right shell type with the right gauge will most certainly turn organs into mince meat. Every weapon has its flaws, and really the only weapons that were even close to perfection were the Halberd and MG-42 at least in my opinion

A few things: Guns.com is both an online store and a site for retailers to list product on. Mislabeling and false advertisement can happen even with certified listings, as evidenced by the "Remington 500" where it's clearly a Mossberg.
YouTube gun reviews are a poor metric. Generally speaking a YouTube gun review will be positive because they either do not own the gun or put in the time to actually use it to see failure points. Sootch00, for example, has likely not ever published a negative review.

I trust Hickok45’s opinion because frankly he doesn’t seem like the type to lie, though I do find it surprising to find shill type people even among firearm enthusiasts. I figured them too cowardly to do anything except defend 343 Industries and EA and the like, much less talk about guns

Please do not list assumed pros and cons when asking for advice. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm saying it makes you look dumb.

That was hurtful

As for your question: You seem to be a cheap bastard. That's OK. The Maverick 88 is the Mossberg 500 made in Mexico using an aluminum receiver, there is nothing wrong with this. The Mossberg 500 is very standard, parts are everywhere, but the AT variant is a sporting model that likely still has a 2-round limiter stuffed in the tube that can be difficult to remove and also a longer buttstock that will make you hate shouldering it. Every problem you will face with either option can be fixed by the near-infinite number of spare and aftermarket parts out there but it will cost money. If you are looking for a defensive shotgun, the Maverick 88 is already set up for it and is much more forgiving in terms of handling. If you are looking to modify the gun in any way, which will cost hundreds of dollars, the Mossberg 500 will be your pick.

Also you do not strike me as someone who will ever use a bayonet.

I hate to be that guy Actually I will that guy, the Mossberg 88 Maverick is made proudly in Eagle Pass, Maverick County, Texas where the series gets it’s name and after thinking about it for a while I may get it just based on that. I can be cheap when I want to be but I made a lot of money this summer and I choose to spend most of it on a gun or two. I would be partial to buying something a little more expensive though. As for the bayonet I probably will never use it but it will look damn cool and therefore I want it

ARs are so cheap and ubiquitous these days why would you ever want a shotgun? I’m pretty sure PSA has some deal where you can get a Glock 19 clone and an AR for $500 too. I only have a 590a1 (just for a shotgun with bayonet loaded and kept in a random room) and a 1897 (Resident Evil remake, trench gun, it’s cool).

All you’ll need after that is a holster for the pistol, sling for the rifle, light for the rifle, and maybe a red dot (plus at least 5-10 mags for the pistol or rifle)

I want a shotgun because I want a shotgun. I already have a rifle at home and a handgun on the way, so why not get a shotgun while I’m at it is my logic.

I hope this clears up some stuff for you guys. Eventually I want to get myself a Colt Walker pattern revolver since it’s the state firearm of Texas and a Colt 1851 Navy, particularly one that has the Battle of Campeche engraved onto it. Both certainly cost a pretty penny but that’s way way further down the line when I actually have money to spare. Thank you guys for your advice anyway, hope you all have a nice day

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Seems I’ve kind of kicked the hornet’s nest on this one. Remember my friends I’m simply trying to ask which one to go for, no need to get angry

We’ve just come along way since the boomer fudds that ARs are normalized, everyone talks about night vision and body armor, and we have conceal carry that is practically almost nationwide. Such talk of wanting a shotgun fills an honest /k/ommando with frothing rage of the olden days when our current situation seemed untenable and full of madness to think of such things

 

[Sauro]

We’ve just come along way since the boomer fudds that ARs are normalized, everyone talks about night vision and body armor, and we have conceal carry that is practically almost nationwide. Such talk of wanting a shotgun fills an honest /k/ommando with frothing rage of the olden days when our current situation seemed untenable and full of madness to think of such things

I completely get it now, I feel the exact same way when someone is being a dumbass about Star Wars but please don’t mind me, I’m simply a college boy who's more at home in the wilderness of Texas than her concrete jungles

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

I hope this clears up some stuff for you guys. Eventually I want to get myself a Colt Walker pattern revolver since it’s the state firearm of Texas and a Colt 1851 Navy, particularly one that has the Battle of Campeche engraved onto it. Both certainly cost a pretty penny but that’s way way further down the line when I actually have money to spare. Thank you guys for your advice anyway, hope you all have a nice day

Not as pricey as you think. Get a Pietta or Uberti 1851 Navy in 44. Then get a Kirst Konverter. A couple minutes with a dremel for a loading port (if you want one) and it can now fire standard 45 ACP or 45 LC. It also (minus dremeling for the loading gate) is slap in. Meaning if you want to BP, you just take the new cylinder/loading gate/ejector rod if you put one on off the gun, slap the old stuff back in, bang boom, it's a smokecannon again. Kirst makes em for Walkers, dragoons, New Armys, etc.... The proprietor is a good dude, and the gunsmith they use if you want them to fit it for you is super knowledgeable and insanely helpful.

 

[big pauper]

I do find it surprising to find shill type people even among firearm enthusiasts. I figured them too cowardly to do anything except defend 343 Industries and EA and the like, much less talk about guns

Firearms are expensive and are basically solutions to deferred problems so the vast majority of firearm discourse is just gay lifestyle consumerism and larping. Guns are mostly sold based on pseudorational feels because the largest market of gun buyers for the last 40 or so years have been a generation of delusional brown-nosers and police forces and the industry knows it.

It's a bordering on a captive market and the entire marketing stack is full of people eagerly awaiting free handouts to say what the manufacturer wants.

 

[AGPinochet]

Radian is working on a lightweight, no Nielsen device required pistol suppressor that uses their Ramjet compensator mounting system for atrachment. This has some potential benefits as 1. Walk off can be a big problem with many pistol suppressors, 2. Anyone who owns a Ramjet can take it off an attach a suppressor without needing to swap barrels and 3. There has to be at least one state that doesn't allow threaded barrels but allows suppressors. Only theoretical problem is that it is definitely not QD



Speaking of unconventional suppressors, there's a new Q can on the market

No more Glock COA packages for the foreseeable future, Ben Stoeger said he heard a rumor that Big Army is throwing the 320 in the trash in favor of a Glock 19X but he also doesn't think that said rumor is true


Russian SSO rifle captured by Syrian terrorists


VSS


AK-74 cut down to 105 length in possession of a Syrian terrorist


One of the only photo's I've seen of a Sig 563 out in the wild


AKV-521 in use at a shooting competition



AK-74 with AK-12M/Obr. 2022 model stock


The Bullpups of Idlib





Infantry conversion 1910




I don't even really know what to say about this one




Russians did an infantry conversion for a captured M2


I'm starting a new segment for my little Cool gun picture dump series, "AGPinochet's funnies" where I muse about ridiculous concepts that mainly could only ever be done for fun and ask a tough question or two

Steel AR recsivers? How come nobody's ever done that? Just for fun
How come no Europoor has ever made an AR that feeds exclusively from non STANAG 5.56 mags, even just for fun?
Someone should make a suppressor that mounts like a bayonet, no threads, no ratchets, just a precisely machined taper for a gas seal and a female lug at the rear with a a spring loaded catch. Why? 1. So you could truly have the world's quickest attaching suppressor and 2. Just for fun

Also, could anyone give me a plausible explanation was to why S&W didn't put brass deflectors or dust covers on Gen 1 M&P Sports? Did they genuinely think they would get less heat politically if their guns weren't as "military"?

One other thing, The biggest spring actuated magazine I can think of for any firearm is the American 180's 275 round drum. Can anyone else think of one larger? remember, spring powered magazine.

BOSS Suppressors has a new proprietary mounting system, the Dead Lock, featuring a tapers threads and a secondary ratcheting mechanism

SAAMI has published voluntary adherence guidelines and standards for Suppressor

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/SAAMI-Z299.6-202X-Suppressors-Approved-2025-07-30.pdf

Do any of the readers of this thread live in or near Greensboro, NC? If any or one of you do, I implore you, go to the Greensboro Historical Museum and see if they have the Williams/Lisk .22 machinegun on display, because according to the linked below article, that was it's last known location as of May 28th 1994

https://archive.ph/vAMvl

If it isn't on display harass on of the senior staff to see if you can get any kind of answer out of them

 

[Dean Pentel]

Those people are retarded. Clearing a house/slicing the pie with an 18” barrel is a nightmare.

Shotguns aren’t magical death rays you don’t have to aim. Shotty fetishism is fudd nonsense.

I disagree. I suggest it's not much different than CQB with a Mk 18 that has a suppressor on it. A lot of men have killed a whole lot of other men using that setup for decades now. Training and practice is how anyone can become skilled enough to do this easily. As has been stated before, be aware that firing a shotgun without ear pro indoors is fucking painful. No, it's not like a flash bang but I'd avoid it if at all possible.

You are gonna hear a lot of Mossberg because Remington basically killed their image in the last decade. Older 870s are solid though.

I also recommend including used 870s in the search. A lot of excellent models from the 70s and 80s that were fired very little are around. If you can find a good condition Wingmaster from this era that's not fudd-inflated in price, get it.

 

[AGPinochet]

Now for some Sigger L's

Project Appleseed has at the very least temporarily suspended use of the P320 in their pistol classes