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Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa said:
Everyone else has covered the Glock/AR15 thing, so I'll skip those. I think that the most important thing when buying your first handgun is to actually handle one and try shooting it before buying. Way too many people buy something like a Ruger LCP and then discover that a gun that small and light can be unpleasant to shoot even in .380.

Sig as a company has deservedly poor reputation after the 320 thing, but I do like the P365 as a carry option. It can be had in a range of sizes depending on how you weigh concealability, capacity, and controllability (I usually carry a P365XL). It can be had with or without a manual safety, red dot, compensator, etc. depending on your preferences. It also has pretty good capacity for the size, and its modularity lets you change out parts easily if you want to.
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In principle I agree with you —I've never had any issues with my P365 or know anyone who did— however to noob-proof suggestions, you need to eliminate nuance and give a straight answer. You will confuse someone new to guns trying to explain that Swiss Sig is always good, German Sig is only consistently good with a West German mark, the P22x series is good but also bad, etc etc etc than just saying don't buy X brand, buy Y brand. Besides, Sig doesn't deserve to get anyone's money from a retail sale.

If someone wants to be more into guns, they'll figure it out themselves. There's a whole Internet for them to learn on their own. Joe and JoAnn McNormal from Anytown USA (who make up the majority of guns owners) just want a gun for defense (and possibly hunting) and really nothing else, so it doesn't pay to confuse them.
 
TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve said:
Based on my guntube e-daddies' results I am partial to Critical Defense myself. Less so for overall terminal performance and more that it doesn't seem like any of them have ever been able to get it to over-penetrate while still meeting the minimum performance I want, even on clear gel which seems softer than real gel.

Do you have any thoughts on Critical Duty vs Critical Defense @Smoke Manmuscle? From the best I've been able to tell Critical Duty seems wasted without a 4"+ barrel while Defense is optimized for somewhere in the 3" range
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Critical Duty is optimized for the full spectrum of FBI barrier penetration tests out of duty length barrels. Critical defense is optimized for CCW length barrels and only bare gel and heavy cloth.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
And my hand-loads are optimized for 400 pound black bears!
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Buffalo Bore would like to know your location.

On that topic, everyone should stay away from anything loaded by Buffalo Bore. They very clearly load far in excess of SAAMI standards and in some cases in excess of even proof round pressures.

For those who don’t know SAAMI stands for Small Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute. It is a non governmental body that sets the standards for guns and ammo. This includes things like dimensions of chambers and rounds, maximum pressures, and test equipment for ammunition. This is what ensures that all guns and ammo of a caliber are truly interchangeable and safe to use. To be a member you must be in the business of designing and manufacturing firearms, ammunition, or major components. Voting members pay a higher fee over supporting members however they gain the right to introduce and vote SAAMI rules. Most of this is new caliber introductions but also includes things like new standards for suppressors which were approved in 2022. It’s also why many wildcat cartridges are not SAAMI approved. Any new caliber has to be submitted by a voting or associate member.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
And my hand-loads are optimized for 400 pound black bears!
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austins pissin hot loads.webp

The official ammo of the MRGT.
 
Smoke Manmuscle said:
Buffalo Bore would like to know your location.

On that topic, everyone should stay away from anything loaded by Buffalo Bore. They very clearly load far in excess of SAAMI standards and in some cases in excess of even proof round pressures.

For those who don’t know SAAMI stands for Small Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute. It is a non governmental body that sets the standards for guns and ammo. This includes things like dimensions of chambers and rounds, maximum pressures, and test equipment for ammunition. This is what ensures that all guns and ammo of a caliber are truly interchangeable and safe to use. To be a member you must be in the business of designing and manufacturing firearms, ammunition, or major components. Voting members pay a higher fee over supporting members however they gain the right to introduce and vote SAAMI rules. Most of this is new caliber introductions but also includes things like new standards for suppressors which were approved in 2022. It’s also why many wildcat cartridges are not SAAMI approved. Any new caliber has to be submitted by a voting or associate member.
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They are not members because some of the cartridges they load for are not standardized by SAAMI. for example, .45 colt +p is technically a wildcat round but it has such a long history at this point that its a known quantity.

Tim Sundles, the boss over there said that if they join SAAMI they can't load non-standard loadings, some of which are their best sellers.

The website clearly states what guns can use their ammo and answers all the frequent questions. they been in business for decades with not many complaints. I don't buy from them because i load my own but would if i didn't.

I think he also refuses to become a member because he had a exclusive contract to be the sole source for .475 and .500 linebaugh which Hornady stole out from under him because Hornady said they'd get them SAAMI certified.
 
Null said:
Friday on my podcast I'm going to encourage everyone to buy firearms. If you would like to give suggestions for first time gun buyers, please concisely reply to this post. Keep in mind different states, different budgets, and different situations. Are you particularly passionate about city self defense in California? Do you have three different high quality firearms for Texas? Give me some diversity here. Don't be cringe.
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The websites gun.deals and ammoseek.com are aggregators that let you find and compare prices between online retailers for guns and ammo respectively.

The website handgunhero.com lets you compare the relative sizes of handguns to each other to help you find a pistol that suits your size requirements.

For extreme poorfags interested solely in home and property defense, the Maverick 88 shotgun in 12 gauge has a lot of value for the money. At the distances you'd expect inside a house, a shotgun loaded with appropriate ammo is capable of causing an incredible amount of damage with a single hit.

For those interested in getting a lot of practice without spending too much money on ammo, a .22lr firearm is a good companion piece to a centerfire gun. For rifles I'd recommend a semi automatic Ruger 10/22 or a bolt action Savage model 93. For handguns I'd recommend a Ruger Mark IV.

For those interested in hunting large game like deer, there's honestly a million options out there that will all be well suited to the task. Rifles from Bergara, Tikka, Howa, Savage, Ruger, Winchester, Franchi, and a dozen other brands I can't think of all produce accurate bolt action rifles that will be fine. Look for calibers like .308, 7mm-08, .30-06, 6.5 Creedmoor, .243 Winchester, .270 Winchester, 6mm Creedmoor, .350 Legend, .30-30.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
Tim Sundles, the boss over there said that if they join SAAMI they can't load non-standard loadings, some of which are their best sellers.
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That is a load of BS. There are plenty of non SAAMI rounds loaded by voting members of SAAMI of the top of my head .30 super carry was available for sale for over a year before being approved by SAAMI. SAAMI is a voluntary set of standards.
Romulus augustulus said:
I think he also refuses to become a member because he had a exclusive contract to be the sole source for .475 and .500 linebaugh which Hornady stole out from under him because Hornady said they'd get them SAAMI certified.
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Tim can bitch and moan all day long about that in order to get it SAAMI approved he was going to have to partner with a voting member as they are the only ones who can submit new caliber introductions. And the catch is the company that introduces a new caliber is on the hook for providing reference rounds and proof rounds. So either way Hornady was going to be making some rounds themselves.
Local Hooker said:
The websites gun.deals and ammoseek.com are aggregators that let you find and compare prices between online retailers for guns and ammo respectively.

The website handgunhero.com lets you compare the relative sizes of handguns to each other to help you find a pistol that suits your size requirements.

For extreme poorfags interested solely in home and property defense, the Maverick 88 shotgun in 12 gauge has a lot of value for the money. At the distances you'd expect inside a house, a shotgun loaded with appropriate ammo is capable of causing an incredible amount of damage with a single hit.

For those interested in getting a lot of practice without spending too much money on ammo, a .22lr firearm is a good companion piece to a centerfire gun. For rifles I'd recommend a semi automatic Ruger 10/22 or a bolt action Savage model 93. For handguns I'd recommend a Ruger Mark IV.

For those interested in hunting large game like deer, there's honestly a million options out there that will all be well suited to the task. Rifles from Bergara, Tikka, Howa, Savage, Ruger, Winchester, Franchi, and a dozen other brands I can't think of all produce accurate bolt action rifles that will be fine. Look for calibers like .308, 7mm-08, .30-06, 6.5 Creedmoor, .243 Winchester, .270 Winchester, 6mm Creedmoor, .350 Legend, .30-30.
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This is great advice with the only caveat being .350 Legend. I highly recommend it if you are hunting whitetail deer at ranges below 200yds. Beyond that .350 legend is considered ineffective as the bullet drop get to the point that you are shooting a howitzer. It has almost 5’ of drop at 300 yds. However this is considered a feature in this round. If you live in a state that requires a straight wall cartridge for deer hunting then you can’t go wrong with .350 Legend. As an added bonus you can shoot it out of an AR-15 platform with only a barrel and mag change. The head is the same dimensions as a .223/5.56 head so you can use the same bolt. I know a ton of people who love it for hogs because of this.
 
Null said:
Friday on my podcast I'm going to encourage everyone to buy firearms. If you would like to give suggestions for first time gun buyers, please concisely reply to this post. Keep in mind different states, different budgets, and different situations. Are you particularly passionate about city self defense in California? Do you have three different high quality firearms for Texas? Give me some diversity here. Don't be cringe.
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Thank you for posting this on the MATI podcast. Between Charlie Kirk, the Ukrainian woman and a guy tying up an elderly couple, stabbing them to death and then lighting them on fire near where I live, I've finally decided that I need to get a gun. I just need to decide what my first purchase will be.
 
AGPinochet said:
The Army might be doing something even dumber in relation to the NGSW Program
This is said to be a product improved version of the XM-7 at the recent DSEI Arms show
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That is... so shocking. Well, not shocking I guess considering it's the Army.

Aren't a lot of the officers who were in charge of this program already moved on to different positions in their careers, so they could shitcan this abomination of a program?
 
I have a glock 27 (ex leo firearm I bought for around 300 dllrs maybe 2-3 years )which is chambered in .40 and purchased a glock 26 barrel (100) with some 9mm pmags (30 bucks) and so far for its been the best bang for my buck gun I own i can interchange barrels and mags use both ammo (ideally a newbie should stick to one ) and practice practice practice I mostly keep the 9mm barrel on it but its been a great firearm solid feeling not too heavy it is kind of wide tho.

Sig365s are super tiny and hold more rounds but they retail for like 550 +/-

one of the cheapest guns ive bought for like 200 dllrs was a S&W SD9VE and its a compact that feels good it was great to practice and build good habits in terms of shooting kinda big to conceal carry tho
 
Null said:
Friday on my podcast I'm going to encourage everyone to buy firearms. If you would like to give suggestions for first time gun buyers, please concisely reply to this post. Keep in mind different states, different budgets, and different situations. Are you particularly passionate about city self defense in California? Do you have three different high quality firearms for Texas? Give me some diversity here. Don't be cringe.
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Simple guide for those who don't want to think:

Buy a Glock 19 (doesn't matter what generation) and a compatible kydex holster.

Buy a Palmetto State Armory AR15 and several mags if you aren't in a ban state.

Even in ban states there are compliant versions of ARs. Buy one.

You need an optic for the rifle. Buy a Holosun ARO or Sig Romeo 5 Gen 2.

You can figure out what you "like" later.
 
pandabrawler said:
Thank you for posting this on the MATI podcast. Between Charlie Kirk, the Ukrainian woman and a guy tying up an elderly couple, stabbing them to death and then lighting them on fire near where I live, I've finally decided that I need to get a gun. I just need to decide what my first purchase will be.
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It really depends on your budget or your needs. Handguns can be carried on person, long guns are more powerful but are mostly relegated to home defense.

Handguns need to be reliable, concealable, and the holsters available need to be readily available. A concealment holster needs to not only fit the pistol, but it must also feel comfortable and conceal well. This varies by clothes and user ergonomics (how tall/short they are, hand size, how slim/fat they are, etc). Your choices in concealing a gun are different between wearing a jacket and clothing in a colder temperature environment, or wearing nothing but shorts and a t-shirt.

The smallest gun that I am willing to deal with is a Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 2.0 in 380 ACP, it has a large enough grip to use almost two fingers on, for recoil control. Other guns like the Ruger LCP are too small and recoil too harshly. However the cartridge is weak and these pistols aren't as durable as duty pistols in 9mm Luger.

I like the Glock 19 and their derivates. Compact, reliable, and the easiest to find holsters for. Magazines are inexpensive and quality factory magazines can be found for $20, half the price of competitors like Walther, SIG, or Smith and Wesson. Some people dislike the ergonomics of Glocks or their modularity unmodified. Nowadays you have copies like the Ruger RXM which share the same holsters and magazines, but have better optics, sights, ergonomics, and the ability to directly mount an optic. A secondhand police trade-in Glock 19 or a new Ruger RXM can be found inexpensively.

Luckygunner has great videos for introducing ideas and concepts to new shooters.
 
Null said:
Friday on my podcast I'm going to encourage everyone to buy firearms. If you would like to give suggestions for first time gun buyers, please concisely reply to this post. Keep in mind different states, different budgets, and different situations. Are you particularly passionate about city self defense in California? Do you have three different high quality firearms for Texas? Give me some diversity here.
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USED RUGERS for those on a fixed budget:
Wrangler 4.5" .22lr
SR9e 9mm

USED RUGERS for training
Mk II 4" .22lr
American Rimfire Compact 18" .22lr

USED RUGERS for autists like me who want their guns to last forever
Blackhawk 6.5" .357 Mag.
P89 9mm

Null said:
Don't be cringe.
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USED RUGER for people who seriously speak of Israeli carry and safety buttons
SP101 4" .357 Mag.
 
Null said:
Friday on my podcast I'm going to encourage everyone to buy firearms. If you would like to give suggestions for first time gun buyers, please concisely reply to this post. Keep in mind different states, different budgets, and different situations. Are you particularly passionate about city self defense in California? Do you have three different high quality firearms for Texas? Give me some diversity here. Don't be cringe.
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Canadians too, should take what brief opportunity they have left to arm themselves. Before they ban them, you should acquire your inexpensive chinese sks, with a chrome lined barrel, the only affordable centre fire semiauto left for us. There may be no semi auto options left, actually. Get your license and get your rifle.
 
Boney said:
Lets set the bare minimum at an M&P-15 at least. Lets not send people down a bad path of having to purchase tools and replacement parts.
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I wouldn't recommend a PSA to anyone I knew personally, but the purpose of the post was to make it as simple as possible for people with little to no prior knowledge. PSA stuff is functional enough for most people.
 
Lead Lizard said:
I wouldn't recommend a PSA to anyone I knew personally, but the purpose of the post was to make it as simple as possible for people with little to no prior knowledge. PSA stuff is functional enough for most people.
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And it's easy to upgrade when you actually might have some idea what you want.

The dilemma in Europe is that you pretty much want to spend big money on your first AR-15 if you are getting into shooting sports, because

- getting the licences might be a hassle
- even the cheapest AR's are not cheap

I'm just looking it up, the cheapest AR-15 you can get from a known Finnish gunstore is a Ruger MRP, 1550€ (1800$). So if that's the start point of price for an AR-15, it makes more sense to spend time researching, maybe trying out if you have the chance to lock in on that first gun (not to mention that you need to be an active sports shooter to get that permit in the first place). If you can just go the local Walmart (as a lot of American people can) to go and buy a PSA AR-15, a glock clone, some cheap optic and a few cases of 5.56 and 9mm for like 1000 bucks and go to the range, that's a damn good starting point. It's not really a big investment at that point. Learn the basics, learn what you need to learn more about, and then go from there.

The barrier of entry is so low, that it's a great attribute in itself. That's why PSA is great. If you don't really get into shooting that much, you didn't waste that much money. If it's a shitty example of a PSA product, oh well, you didn't waste that much money. If you actually like shooting and realize that you want a better gun, good news! You didn't pay much for your first one, so you will still have the budget to now buy what you really want.
 
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