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Osama Bin Laden said:
what is a good caliber for self defense
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9x19mm, hands down - it sits firmly at the nexus of all the things you want in a generic self defense scenario.
  • Magazines that easily hold 15+ rounds without making the gun or magazine xbox hueg
  • The ability to penetrate laminated glass and retain meaningful kinetic energy (i.e. your car window if you get jumped at a gas station or stop light)
  • Low recoil
  • Low price per round
 
Polock said:
  • The ability to penetrate laminated glass and retain meaningful kinetic energy (i.e. your car window if you get jumped at a gas station or stop light)
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If I were defending myself in my car, that means I can shoot out the window without issue?
 
Polock said:
9x19mm, hands down - it sits firmly at the nexus of all the things you want in a generic self defense scenario.
  • Magazines that easily hold 15+ rounds without making the gun or magazine xbox hueg
  • The ability to penetrate laminated glass and retain meaningful kinetic energy (i.e. your car window if you get jumped at a gas station or stop light)
  • Low recoil
  • Low price per round
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Osama Bin Laden said:
If I were defending myself in my car, that means I can shoot out the window without issue?
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Yes but there are limits. You need to be using premium self defense ammo/LE ammo. Federal HST, Winchester Defender (it’s the same thing as Ranger Bonded, their bonded LE offering), Hornady Critical DUTY, Speer GoldDot.

If you don’t the winshield has a nasty habit of stripping the jacket off lead core and giving non lethal penetration.

Even with the bonding it usually deforms the bullet enough that it will shear some petals off going through the windshield.

If you poke around on the Law enforcement side of the ammo company’s websites you can find the gel tests. While these gel tests are not indicative of actual terminal performance they can be used as a comparison tool between them since all the companies use the FBI protocol to calibrate the gel before testing.
 
Osama Bin Laden said:
If I were defending myself in my car, that means I can shoot out the window without issue?
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I wouldn't say without issue. You are going to be deafened from firing in an enclosed space and potentially blinded by shards of glass, but that beats the alternative.

Smoke Manmuscle said:
Even with the bonding it usually deforms the bullet enough that it will shear some petals off going through the windshield.
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There's also the weird normalization that laminated glass does to the flight path of your rounds, its really not ideal to shoot through your windshield but if you gotta you gotta.
 
The Summit Precision carbon fiber barrel for my Franklin Armory F22 arrived today. After a little fitting, some judicious application of some CLP, and a little percussive encouragement with my bare hand, I was able to get it fitted to the receiver. I'm very happy with how it looks, and even more please with how it feels. The balance with the CF barrel is SO much nicer than it was with the stock 8" steel barrel.

This one is 9" long, the steel parts are 416R stainless finished with black Cerakote, and the carbon fiber is black with a matte finish. From a distance it looks like a normal bull barrel, but up close or with a bright light shining on it and you can see the weave pattern. Summit also offers different colors for the carbon fiber. I almost went with black and blue since I plan on having the chassis Cerakoted in blue titanium, but the blue flecks in the black and blue carbon fiber is darker and wouldn't match well with the Cerakote.

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Osama Bin Laden said:
hey chat, im looking into buying a gun for self-defense, I would like something under $300 but the max is $400.
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Some here have suggested a used M&P - I would second this since I find them very comfortable to hold and shoot. If you can get a low cost M&P 40 keep in mind you can convert it to 9mm also (once you have the extra money) which is the route I took. More bang for your buck, you'll have two guns in one.
 
Osama Bin Laden said:
hey chat, im looking into buying a gun for self-defense, I would like something under $300 but the max is $400.
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P10Cs can be had new for $400, but I've seen them on sale for around $300 on a semi-regular basis. CZ/Colt has egg on their face at the moment though I suppose Glock does as well. Not making a value judgement either way.
 
Osama Bin Laden said:
what is a good caliber for self defense
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9x19mm. It is the dominant pistol cartridge on the market. It is powerful enough to get the job done without being so powerful it causes excess recoil and muzzle flip. Outside of niche animal encounters like bear defense or handgun hunting, Handgun cartridge performance doesn't really matter all that much (this doesn't mean go out and get a .22). A .40 or a .45 will not kill anyone deader than a 9 would based on sheer diameter increase alone (IIRC, Dr Martin Fackler, father of modern ballistic science said it took considerable effort to determine the difference between entrance holes of different calibers in pig flesh, flesh is elastic you see). What matters is shot placement, hit a guy square in the heart and he's incapacitated if not dead within 30 seconds, shoot shittily and graze snd nick a crackhead 7 or 8 times? He's going to stab you and then get patched up at the hospital with non life threatening wounds. 9mm being small and good enough means you can fit more of it in the same volume as .40 or .45 rounds, and more hole punching capacity for the same volume is always a good thing to have. There are different kinds of "stops". You have your psychological stops " Fuck ow that hurts" and the (from what I understand) media influenced phenomenon of people slumping to the ground when they get shot even when they otherwise wouldn't have (It's never been confirmed but there are those that speculate that many people have a preconceived notion of what should happen when they get shot, and when it happens to them they act it out), you have the exanguination stops, where the guy bleeds out or dies of a tension pneumothorax from all the holes you just put in him, gurgling all the way, and then up you have the universal garuanteed one shot stops, obliterate the central nervous system (shoot them in the head) or sever their spinal cord (these are both relatively niche scenarios, always aim center mass, around where the heart is).
 
Osama Bin Laden said:
hey chat, im looking into buying a gun for self-defense, I would like something under $300 but the max is $400.
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Buy a magnet and some rope for under $100. Go to your nearest melanin enriched water source (time is running out in Yankee land) and proceed to go fishing. If you get multiple guns of a kind you can swap out the parts to have the least damaged ones on one gun. Return your magnet and rope to the store and then turn in the recovered guns to a gun buy back. If you follow the method correctly you will actually have made money and can either keep the least water damaged gun or turn that one in too and buy an actual functioning gun.
 
I can't stay for long but its so good to see you guys still posting. I will leave you guys with some kino boomer core gun posting. Hopefully everyone is doing well! Mustache cat for moral boost.
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I was going to wait until I had collected a lot more photos to make this post but I really wanted to sperg about an unintentionally realistic fictional firearm

Straight pull Mini Fix at home made from a Solo 300 upper, ATL Opp Shop lower, URX-4 and a Spectre 9
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Hybrid construction SMG's from Brazil
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A-545
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I started reading a book recently

A couple days ago I started reading S.M. Stirling's "Marching through Georgia". It's an alternate history WW2 novel where fictional giga-apartheid south Africa (controlling everything from the cape to the sahara, egypt to western china except india and indochina) is one of the world powers and for reasons that don't really matter they have a bunch of advanced (for the era) technology, including the Holbars T-6 assault rifle. The T-6 is described as being a belt fed utilizing disintegrating link, gas delayed blowback contraption of sheet steel and walnut with a folding stock and a 75 round magazine firing an (unrealistic) aluminum 5mm cartridge (5x45mm to be exact).

"But AGPinochet you just said this fictional gun is belt fed, how can it feed from magazines if it doesn't have a secondary feed magazine like on a SAW?"

That's where the unintentional realism comes in. You see about 20 years or so before Stirling released this book there was this obscure Czech battle rifle project called the URZ which instead of using magazines used drums with no complex spring assemblies but instead a sprocket assembly near where the feed lips would be on a drum, actuated by the forward and rearward movement of the bolt Carrier, allowing for a lot of ammunition to be carried with no complex loading procedures. The only differences between the fictional T-6 and the real URZ is that the URZ was roller delayed instead of gas delayed, The URZ used non disintegrating links and chambering (7.62x39/7.62 NATO vs fictional 5mm cartridge)

In essence, an alternate history novelist in the 80's, having no knowledge of an obscure Czech rifle program replicated it's feed mechanism/that of an OTs-128/142 almost perfectly (although the internal mechanism of The Holbars is never actually described beyond it's basic characteristics so I'm assuming s lot here)

 
Romulus augustulus said:
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Via FeralHistorian on youtube. its his recreation of the T-6 based on the text, an accursed almalgam of the Galil and STG57 with a MG3 drum.
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Oh I saw that (Stirling also predicted the ACOG In a way too). The magazine well would have to be different as well to accommodate the feed system but I don't fault him for that because he, like most people in the world are ignorant of the URZ and Stirling probably never gave much thought to the deign beyond "yeah belt fed sounds cool". But the Holbars if it was real would probably look something like that mixed with the URZ.
 
God's drunkest driver said:
PPKs have always sucked in .380
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I've never met anyone who can shoot the .380 PPK without getting bit occasionally. I don't know why that is because the none of the Makarovs (or any of its PPK inspired combloc cousins for that matter) have chewed up my hand quite like the PPK has. Maybe the P-64 did it a few times but even then I think the slide on the P-64 is just ever so slightly higher which helps with slide bite.
 
ifunny pride world wide said:
I've never met anyone who can shoot the .380 PPK without getting bit occasionally. I don't know why that is because the none of the Makarovs (or any of its PPK inspired combloc cousins for that matter) have chewed up my hand quite like the PPK has. Maybe the P-64 did it a few times but even then I think the slide on the P-64 is just ever so slightly higher which helps with slide bite.
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CZ 82 is best ppk.
 
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