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I got lucky that when I bought mine, PTR had great quality control. I've heard though that as the surplus parts are running dry, the quality control has dipped. If you're just using it on the range and not for hunting, it should be fine. Just stick to 7.62 nato or lighter .308 rounds and you should be fine.
Oh I sold my C308 a long time ago for a loss when I got tired of fighting it and finally learned to research my firearms purchases. It annoyed me to see it sitting next to all my nice firearms that actually worked in my safe so it went to another pawn shop for the next poor sap to learn their lesson on.
 
and if you get a AR10 you should be able to get an 8.6 blackout upper if you want to do with 300BBC stuff.


Do you guys want to argue over .223 and 5.56 being not the same (they are)?
8.6 Blackout is dead. When Hornady submitted to SAAMI it got kicked back because of the twist rate of 1:3. It’s so sharp there is concern that it will cause traditional cup and core bullets to come apart when leaving the muzzle. When combined with a suppressor you are asking for a baffle strike. Hornady was the original submitting member and they withdrew the submission last year. If Q wants to resubmit it they will need to find another voting member to partner with. In the mean time Hornady has gotten 338 ARC approved which has roughly the same bullet weights and fits in an AR-15 platform.
 
Oh I sold my C308 a long time ago for a loss when I got tired of fighting it and finally learned to research my firearms purchases. It annoyed me to see it sitting next to all my nice firearms that actually worked in my safe so it went to another pawn shop for the next poor sap to learn their lesson on.
I hear that.
Pawn shops are goldmines though if you know what to look for. I found a basically new Arsenal at one for the price of a WASR (back when they were cheap :( ) because according to the clerk: "all aks are inaccurate"
 
I hear that.
Pawn shops are goldmines though if you know what to look for. I found a basically new Arsenal at one for the price of a WASR (back when they were cheap :( ) because according to the clerk: "all aks are inaccurate"
Holy shit, that's an amazing steal for an Arsenal. My WASR is still the only thing I have from my early days of gun buying, mainly because I can't bring myself to sell the first rifle I ever bought, but also because it's still chugging along despite never being cleaned/maintained nearly as much as anything else in my safe. I was really saddened to see how much they go for now, a little over 3x what I paid for mine.
 
8.6 Blackout is dead. When Hornady submitted to SAAMI it got kicked back because of the twist rate of 1:3. It’s so sharp there is concern that it will cause traditional cup and core bullets to come apart when leaving the muzzle. When combined with a suppressor you are asking for a baffle strike. Hornady was the original submitting member and they withdrew the submission last year. If Q wants to resubmit it they will need to find another voting member to partner with. In the mean time Hornady has gotten 338 ARC approved which has roughly the same bullet weights and fits in an AR-15 platform.
I feel like both are just going to wither and die off. The tactitards already have .300 for a suppressed cartridge and hunters rarely use suppressors.

That huge expansion is something i don't see the utility of. Expansion with .30 cal, .338 and .358 projectiles is already more than enough for all Cervids. On bigger animals you want tough bullets or even solids for penetration through bone and muscle.

I really like the concept of a big bullet going slow, but there is already proven cartridges than can do that without hitching your wagon to something that might lose industry support.
 
I ordered one of those quick attach picatinny rails that clip into M-Lok slots from Kinetic Development Group. I've got a Surefire XH35 pistol light that I used to have on the SIG P226 TacOps that I ended up trading towards my Franklin Armory F22. Since it's just kind of sitting around right now I figured I'd mount it on the KDG rail so that I can quickly mount it on my Vector or the Deep Six chassis that I have my F22 mounted in whenever I want. My thinking is that it will be nice to have for home defense on the Vector (until I can get a better light for it), or in the event I need to go out in the backyard and pop some critter trying to get at my wife's chickens. We get raccoons, mink, skunks, and other critters in our area. I've had to pop a juvenile skunk and a mink in the past who had gotten into my mom's chicken coop.
 
Would you like to LARP as John Dillinger but don't have the cash for a Transferable converted 1911? Well be relieved for guntrepeneur Pembleton & Sons is working on a 1911 FRT, he said it should be available in 5 business days
I come bearing videos and news, it works with at least some doublestack models. To ensure proper functioning, some models may require a "marvel cut", A " ramp on the bottom of the breechface that provides clearance dor the disconnector nub"


Proof of doublestack functionality


This particular model is a Tisas doublestack


Millions of pistols just became FRT Compatible

Makarov drum
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Former CEO of Trex Arms and founder of Botkin Enterprises, Lucas Botkin has announce his intention to being to market a version of the Remington R5 RGP Rail for standard AR-15's (The Remington R5 had a monolithic receiver) thst utilizes the same time sert mounting system. Will he be more successful than Q with Qsert (which is basically the same thing as Rem Rail). A considerably larger amount of people like Lucas than Kevin Brittingham
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Issue #13 of the GunCAD Digest
 
We get raccoons, mink, skunks, and other critters in our area. I've had to pop a juvenile skunk and a mink in the past who had gotten into my mom's chicken coop.
I've had an asshole opossum this year that killed one of my chickens, two skunks, and an armadillo that was tearing up my back field which was starting to fuck up my mower. The armadillo and skunks got shot with the SP5, I had to set out a trap for the opossum and he was executed with the makarov for costing me a chicken.

Edit: forgot to mention the hen he killed was an easter egger, and I'm quite fond of them. Little prick.
 
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I feel like both are just going to wither and die off. The tactitards already have .300 for a suppressed cartridge and hunters rarely use suppressors.

That huge expansion is something i don't see the utility of. Expansion with .30 cal, .338 and .358 projectiles is already more than enough for all Cervids. On bigger animals you want tough bullets or even solids for penetration through bone and muscle.

I really like the concept of a big bullet going slow, but there is already proven cartridges than can do that without hitching your wagon to something that might lose industry support.
Hunting with suppressors is starting to gain more mainstream traction. The hog hunters especially love their suppressed guns. For subsonic ammo increasing bullet weight is the only way to increase energy as you are capped at 1100 fps.

While I would love for 338 ARC to replace 300 BLK due to the safety issues 300BLK has, I also know it will never happen.
 
I've had an asshole opossum this year that killed one of my chickens, two skunks, and an armadillo that was tearing up my back field which was starting to fuck up my mower. The armadillo and skunks got shot with the SP5, I had to set out a trap for the opossum and he was executed with the makarov for costing me a chicken.

These are just backyard chickens in a semi-rural suburb/neighborhood. We have a lot of homes in our area with horses, some goats, a small beefalo farm, etc. We used to have three mink farms in our area, but about 20 years ago some ELF/PETA faggots trespassed on two of them and released something like 30,000 mink. Thousands of them ended up just getting run over, but enough of them survived that we have a now wild mink population, and they're mean little bastards. But since I live in what is otherwise a normal neighborhood, if I've got to gank some critter in my yard, I don't want to upset my neighbors or have the cops called for discharging a firearm. A suppressed .22 with a 9" barrel loaded with subsonics is pretty damn quiet.
 
Bit of a fedpost (don't try this, I'm not trying this) but for years I've been theorizing about quadrotor-mounted small arms. Actual military drones seem to focus on explosives for small platforms and AA guns or missiles for larger platforms. I'm guessing they don't see much utility in small arms fire, but it might be more practical for civilian-scale budgets and conflicts. You guys know a lot more than me about guns, figured I'd ask your thoughts. Am I completely retarded?

Why quads? Why small arms?
  • Cheap and accessible components (as opposed to explosives and more advanced propellants)
  • More maneuverable/erratic than plane-like drones for engaging poorly armed human targets
  • Greater range and potentially accuracy than dropping a payload
  • Low-ish weight with the possibility to further strip down and optimize the platform
  • Most importantly, gun drones are badass
Weight is a major concern. Cartridge-based ammo is heavy (eg 5.56 cartridges are about half brass by weight)
  • Casings could be plastic/paper like shotgun shells?
  • Could the casing be eliminated, instead using a hollow-backed bullet to contain propellant?
  • Could the casing be made of a solid propellant? eg nitrocellulose paper exists, if it burns completely this might simplify ejection?
  • Is eg spark-gap ignition feasible and would it save weight over primers? Eliminating ejection entirely might be nice if this worked
  • Autoloading propellant and bullets separately seems difficult, although safety requirements might be looser for an unmanned platform
  • Gas-operated cycling seems preferable? I'm not sure if inertial cycling would be reliable on a light airborne platform. The propellant's energy density and mass depletion makes it attractive as opposed to servos/etc for cycling
  • The lethality vs kinetic energy / mass / velocity tradeoffs are unclear to me. How light and small can it get with acceptable performance against mostly-unarmored targets?
Feeding also seems difficult to optimize. All options cost mass, even if it's possible to eg eject belt-fed segments when firing.
 

quadrotor-mounted small arms.
These exist already, they just aren't in widespread use/production.
I'm guessing they don't see much utility in small arms fire
This is pretty much why. You'd have to send up a much larger drone to support the weapons systems you have on hand (not many people have .22lr mini guns or whatever floating around) and then when all that is said and done you have a severely inaccurate platform with a gun flying around. There's even footage of a stripped down AK on a very basic drone and they do a few dive bomb-esque strafing runs on some tree lines in the Ukraine. Needless to say a smaller drone with energetics is much much simpler and causes more casualties without even needing to be all that accurate.
The lethality vs kinetic energy / mass / velocity tradeoffs are unclear to me. How light and small can it get with acceptable performance against mostly-unarmored targets?
If you're looking at a sniper drone a la the TIKAD and pretty much instant death then you'd probably want typical man stoppers. If you want a 300 round belt fed you're probably going to be looking at something akin to .22lr, it won't be pretty but you will be producing casualties (considering it doesn't jam etc). Internationally it's probably going to cause a stir though.
Gas-operated cycling seems preferable? I'm not sure if inertial cycling would be reliable on a light airborne platform. The propellant's energy density and mass depletion makes it attractive as opposed to servos/etc for cycling
As you've mentioned this is a game of mass trade offs (if you want any real large ammo capacity on a small platform). Even a recoilless system or a metal storm is going to have issues with reloading it or reliable functionality. On the other hand the solution should be cheap enough that loss of a drone isn't a big deal.
 
yeah, they're always strapping a traditional rifle to an oversized drone, it just seems so poorly optimized for the task. Surely a custom build for this purpose could be more efficient, but I understand why there's no real funding/desire to develop this.
If you're looking at a sniper drone a la the TIKAD and pretty much instant death then you'd probably want typical man stoppers. If you want a 300 round belt fed you're probably going to be looking at something akin to .22lr
I was thinking on the smaller end and close range, ideally basic consumer drones. It's interesting that .22lr has much lower brass-by-mass than something like 5.56, maybe commercial loads would be fine after all.
 
I've been robbed of some seriously good EBT chimpouts, but I did buy up a 1000 of winchester .223 green tips for the range/self-defense pile for next time.

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Good on ya man. Hope you have fun shooting it, or keeping it, depending on your fancy.
Chinese made revolver allegedly in .410
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The chinks have discovered the Taruas Judge. Lol.
Weight is a major concern. Cartridge-based ammo is heavy (eg 5.56 cartridges are about half brass by weight)
I mean you got rimfire rounds. A belt fed 22LR could do damage. It's still lethal, especially from above I'd reckon.
 
Am I completely retarded?
I was thinking on the smaller end and close range,

Gun drones are a really cool idea but I just dont see how theyre practical. Suicide drones are super effective because theyre simple and cheap and punch way above their weight.

Anti-personnel gun drones would be much more complex and almost certainly would have to be bigger (like 4 foot frames instead of 12-18in frames).

You could accomplish the same mission by strapping something claymore-like on the front of a drone and it would be way cheaper and way simpler.
 
Sending explosive drones to dispatch the niggers on my lawn would make a terrible mess. This also assumes easy access to explosives, not practical in all scenarios, definitely cheaper and simpler though.
Anti-personnel gun drones would be much more complex and almost certainly would have to be bigger (like 4 foot frames instead of 12-18in frames).
I don't see why. I've never seen anyone seriously attempt to minimize mass. I feel it's just uneconomical for the military and illegal for me, rather than being truly difficult to accomplish.
 
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quadrotor-mounted small arms
it's been done, and I think there are some drones that work, but I think one reason they aren't popular is drones are CHEAP so trying to make a small survivable one is just not a good value.

Also while a solvable problem accuracy would be a huge issue, and that has to be fixed by adding a lot of weight, reducing range.

Also grenades require a lot less precision and don't have to kill, if they get "in the ballpark" and wound it's still a casualty.

where they do make sense would be loitering munitions like predator drones or something that is providing support and overwatch.
 
I've never seen anyone seriously attempt to minimize mass.
You will need a major leap in energy storage technology then - the battery is the single heaviest thing on a drone.
Frame are already carbon fiber and have been iterated on for strength and vibration dampening so any improvements there will be pretty small increments unless you go super exotic materials which defeats the purpose of a cheap weapons platform.
Brushless motors are basically perfected at this point, again you'll need something revolutionary.
Props are pretty light already.

I am sure you could squeeze more performance out of what already exists but is that worth it? Outside of really major developments in material sciences it doesn't make sense to me other than we should do it because its cool.

Sending explosive drones to dispatch the niggers on my lawn would make a terrible mess.
Just go full Half Life 2 and put on custom stainless steel props and fly them into your neighbors face or the back of their legs.
 
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