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Not only does that create NFA compliance nightmare amount of paperwork, but you will be changing the plastic suppressor as often as you change your magazine.
I'm hoping someone just makes a bot and submits thousands of forms a day, it's a nfa compliance nightmare, but that sounds like the atfs problem.
 
Beautiful pictures, thank you for sharing. I have my parts laying in a pile ATM, I was going to get a guide together because there isn't really a good one, putting them together isn't hard, everything can only fit in one spot, but it can be like a puzzle.
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Ignore that foregrip. Pretend it isn't even there. Everything else is perfectly fine though. Might need a confederate flag sticker on it like the General Lee though. Yeehaw!

I went ahead and got an after-market upper too with the rail that's in these pics. That's an Obsidian 45 on it with the 9mm front cap BTW. Works great that way but I'm told putting the 45 cap on the Obsidian 9 isn't so great. This VZ.61 in 32acp setup rivals my Dead Air HD Mask .22 but I've only shot it three times.

One thing that really helped all the parts make sense was practicing assembly on the original cut-up pieces of the receiver (especially the Rube-Goldberg trigger).
 
I'm hoping someone just makes a bot and submits thousands of forms a day, it's a nfa compliance nightmare, but that sounds like the atfs problem.

That would just soft ban NFA items for everyone since processing times will be measured in years.

Kinda like boomers who almost lost us pistol braces because they kept asking "dry snitching" questions.
 
Not only does that create NFA compliance nightmare amount of paperwork, but you will be changing the plastic suppressor as often as you change your magazine.

I mean if it was me I'd either automate the entire process unless that's illegal, or do big batches every so often.
That would just soft ban NFA items for everyone since processing times will be measured in years.
Nah I could see the angle where if the estimated form approval times reach something stupid like 999+ years that it would force something to change. Depending on the judges and who else is currently in power it could totally backfire and we may all soon be bemoaning how you cant have nice things around fucking niggers or whatever lol
 
I'm hoping someone just makes a bot and submits thousands of forms a day, it's a nfa compliance nightmare, but that sounds like the atfs problem.

I mean if it was me I'd either automate the entire process unless that's illegal, or do big batches every so often.

Compliance on your end would be engraving serial numbers and keeping parts of destroyed items. As well as filing 5320.20 for all items if you change address.

In my opinion making a ridiculous number of items is just opening yourself to liability since they are still NFA regulated items.
 
Thinking of getting a PPK in either 380 or 32acp, thoughts?
32acp has threaded barrel options from the factory, the .380 doesn't. 380 PPK barrel thickness makes aftermarket threading sketchy AF.

They recently released branded PPK-SD and PPK/S-SD models of the .32 but the price makes no sense.

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EDIT: after someone mentioned it up-thread this is definitely one "last" Bond 007 cash-grab with it's release shortly before the discontinuation announcement. Until the new model comes in 2027 that looks exactly the same.
 
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Compliance on your end would be engraving serial numbers and keeping parts of destroyed items. As well as filing 5320.20 for all items if you change address.

In my opinion making a ridiculous number of items is just opening yourself to liability since they are still NFA regulated items.
People called me autistic for not being happy enough for $0 registration, probably because they forgot about this shit.
 
I think most suppressors will be at or under 300$ in 6 months
Most is a stretch especially in such a short time span, some is probably more accurate depending on what happens at SHOT.
not sure how much scale can lower the cost there
While Printing allows the manufacture of the best performing cans, it is also an inherently slower process than subtractive manufacturing or stamping and welding. Printed cans will always remain more expensive at their cheapest compared to theoretical stamped and welded cans.
It is also my understanding that Most 3dp metal cans are actually made on rented out machines too?
I don't know about rented out but a LOT of suppressors are contracted out to companies like Radical Defense and B&T and professional print shops most people have never heard of that deal with a lot of high end industries like Aerospace. I read once that the reason why this is, is because 1. Even cheap printers are still expensive 2. Nobody wants to spend $1.5M+ on a small Printer that can makes a few dozen cans a week, when next year one will come out for $1.25M that does the same thing. Then there's the whole dollar per unit of print time. The Aerospace places print suppressors to eat up excess capacity/because the companies contracting them make it worth their while on a per unit basis (why make suppressors when you could make Aerospace parts?)

With $0 tax stamps driving demand this might all change though. I mostly laid this all out back in I want to say November but here's the logic. $0 Tax stamps come into play -> Demand surges for suppressors due to each one of them getting a $200 discount -> E-forms makes the process easy, people aren't intimidated -> Sales surge, profits increase, companies recognize market demand, scale manufacturing -> Due to high demand it makes sense to offer cheaper suppressors, but printing is slow and will always be more expensive, the answer potentially lays in Stamping -> Manufacturers start acquiring small stamping setups for baffles and start offering more lower performing but cheaper tubeless designs, or welded baffle designs with additional outer sleeves

Historical Maxim silencers would be extremely cheap today, back in the day they cost the modern equivalent of less than $200 and would be cheaper now with increased manufacturing efficiency in addition to having economies of scale on their side as they were niche products back in the day due to most guns not being set up for them. This isn't even getting into new companies entering the space and increasing competition, such as Ambient Arms on which has an interesting if unproven product. We very well could see a price war and race to the bottom. There's no reason a .22 Suppressor should have to cost $400 ($600 with a tax stamp). You should be able to buy a stamped baffle stainless steel model for $99.99. But Compliance costs, Low production volumes and the previous obscurity of NFA items pervents that, production volumes can be fixed, Silencer culture will explode now that Companies (and the Advocacy groups they pay to represent their interests) will have w much easier time of making sales and Compliance costs are easied by digitalization.
 
Finally got the tracking number for the Altamont bonded ivory grips for my python. Ordered them at the start of December. so that's nice.

I've also got a hankering for a .44 magnum (I'm getting skittish about loading .45 colt +P I don't want to blow up a SAA, and my dumb ass certainly will if i keep this up.), but I think I'll wait until shot show is over to see if anything interesting is coming down the pike. I've been hearing rumblings that S&W may be returning the 3rd gen DA/SA guns to production, if true, I'd probably delay a .44 in favor of a M4506...
 
I've been hearing rumblings that S&W may be returning the 3rd gen DA/SA guns to production, if true, I'd probably delay a .44 in favor of a M4506...
I legitimately cannot see the reason why. They're all over the fucking place already, I guess maybe not the .45 or 10mm but you just know they're going to lead with the 5906 or something.
 
why make suppressors when you could make Aerospace parts?

There's at least one suppressor company that actually started out as an aerospace parts manufacturer and switched to making suppressors, bringing their aerospace experience with them into designing cans: Energetic Armaments. They make their suppressors out of a maraging alloy used in rocket motors and jet engines for parts that need to stand up to rapid and prolonged heating/cooling cycles.
 
I legitimately cannot see the reason why. They're all over the fucking place already, I guess maybe not the .45 or 10mm but you just know they're going to lead with the 5906 or something.
Parts support has been gone for a long time because the original tooling was worn out (and some of the surp guns are clapped out). S&W has recently been retooling a lot of their machining equipment in preparation for getting rid of the hillary hole. If they brought back the 3rd gen (4th gen?) guns like the 5906, 4506 and 1006 (this one especially is sought after) it would be a good money make i feel. maybe add a rail like they were putting on their last guns they sold to CHP. make them a premium target/comp gun. nice finishes etc. 1k-1.5k price range. just new mag production would be huge. Mags are hard to come by for some of the rarer models. the glock clone/AR market is way over saturated RN and stock isn't moving but the retro market of revolvers, lever guns and so on is maintaining sales.

They've been teasing it pretty hard on their socials, and like i said some insiders have teased it as well so if its all a fake out it'll be a huge self own.

For me its a nostalgia thing. where i live is perpetually 20-30 years behind the curve so i was still seeing them on duty belts along side revolvers here into the early 2010s when i was just a kid getting into guns, but too young to buy. after they all upgraded to glocks i have literally never seen one in person again. not in store or anything. IDK where the hell they went because I'd have bought one.
 
after they all upgraded to glocks i have literally never seen one in person again. not in store or anything. IDK where the hell they went because I'd have bought one.
The 5906 pops up occasionally around $600 online, I nearly bought one for less at a gun show but the grip makes the M9 feel quaint and cozy and I just don't have the same nostalgia for it like I do the 645 because of Don Johnson.
Fair point about parts, but kits from cut up evidence/buyback guns are available too.
 
Thinking of getting a new handgun for concealed carry any of you guys know if the gen 6 Glocks are any good? I was looking at a few options but I am pretty used to my G17 so I thought it might be better to stick with a Glock.
 
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