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AGPinochet said:
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My autism immediately noticed that she's using baby sized Air Jordans as bipod leg shoes, and now I almost feel compelled to do the same to flex on niggers.

"My belt-fed has fresher J's than you, 'cuh."
 
Rabbi Yeshua Moon said:
I don't know how you're getting negrated for this unless these people are only using bolt guns. 11 mags per range trip isn't some insane amount.
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I think people are upset that he is pointing out one of the main problems with suppressors: they are expensive, legally obnoxious accessories that don't have enough utility to justify the cost and annoyance of getting them. For anyone who shoots regularly and at volume, you are either going to have to have a crate of back-up cans and welding gloves to swap out overheated cans, or opt to go without your expensive and legally obnoxious accessory. Not to mention that cans in any serious caliber get really hot, really fast, which can fuck up sight picture due to distorting the air, burn someone or something, and require a cool down period before you can remove them to keep shooting. Hard to justify high intensity shooting if you can only get two mags in before the suppressor is glowing, you can't see shit while aiming, and you are worried about warping or damaging it if you keep going. Yeah, the sleeves can mitigate this somewhat, but that really just gives you another mag or two before you can't ignore the heat anymore.

To put it simply, the legal prohibitions around suppressors in America have made them impractical in a lot of situations. They are neat, but few people really consider them a serious firearms investment because of the problems that legal restrictions have introduced. There is really no reason you shouldn't be able to buy a simple can for $30 bucks over the counter that day, and at that price point, they would actually justify themselves and compensate for their shortcomings. For myself, I really think cans are only worth it for high dollar defense builds that you have tested thoroughly, or hunting. My buddy has something like 13 cans now, and seems convinced that just one more new-fangled can will mitigate the inherent physical limitations of the concept and make them awesome all the time. I remain unconvinced.

I am hardly some expert here, but shooting with my suppressor fascinated friend has made me even less inclined to buy one than I was before. I didn't even list all the annoying things I have found with them.
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
In a few weeks SIG will probably drop a next Gen Sig-550/553

Here is it (allegedly)

The mag well can be swapped between a AR style or an H&K/AK style (with the paddle release). Mlok on the handguard, picatinney up top, long stroke gas system, rubber seal on the charging handle track.
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I'm fairly sure they have been showing that off in Europe for at least a year.

Here is an article from 2024 SIG 55X
 
Fount of BadSpeak said:
I think people are upset that he is pointing out one of the main problems with suppressors: they are expensive, legally obnoxious accessories that don't have enough utility to justify the cost and annoyance of getting them.
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You can't repair them, you have to report whenever you go out of state with it, you have to report if you change residences and if it turns out to be complete shit, which is a non-zero chance with all the crap cans on the market, you're stuck with it or have to destroy it and report doing so.
 
Fount of BadSpeak said:
To put it simply, the legal prohibitions around suppressors in America have made them impractical in a lot of situations. They are neat, but few people really consider them a serious firearms investment because of the problems that legal restrictions have introduced. There is really no reason you shouldn't be able to buy a simple can for $30 bucks over the counter that day, and at that price point, they would actually justify themselves and compensate for their shortcomings. For myself, I really think cans are only worth it for high dollar defense builds that you have tested thoroughly, or hunting. My buddy has something like 13 cans now, and seems convinced that just one more new-fangled can will mitigate the inherent physical limitations of the concept and make them awesome all the time. I remain unconvinced.
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This is exactly the problem that the 3D2A community is trying to solve. As I said in my previous posts, 3D printed in part or whole suppressors make the economies of scale work.




It takes $3 in PA6-CF, scotchcast, and resin to make an FTN5. For the price of one metal can you could buy a top of the line Bambu X1C and print as many as you would like.

There's now also FULLY 3d printed designs like the OP9
 
Blasterisk said:
If the point of shooting is turning money into noise, as it is for many Americans, then suppressors don't make any sense.

If your firearm is a tool to be used for a job, then they are a natural accessory that improve it in many ways.
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Suppressors have their use, but I view it a lot like night vision in the idea that it's something that conceptually sounds like a real game changer, but in reality isn't nearly as valuable or approachable as it sounds unless you have the time, patience, and resources to make it work. For the average Joe, just wanting a gun in case some melanated gentlemen break in to get reparations from his wife and daughter, suppressors do not justify the cost or effort.

If you wanted one "work" gun that you decided from the outset would be ran suppressed, then I think you could head off a lot of the issues, but really only if you already knew a lot to begin with. Even then, it would need to be some really specific "work" to justify only running subsonic ammunition and robbing yourself of performance, as any supersonic ammunition would still give you the gift of "EEEEEEEEEEEE", telegraph your location, and scare the fuck out of any bystanders in ear shot.
WhoBusTank69 said:
You can't repair them, you have to report whenever you go out of state with it, you have to report if you change residences and if it turns out to be complete shit, which is a non-zero chance with all the crap cans on the market, you're stuck with it or have to destroy it and report doing so.
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I have a lot more issues with suppressors than just the ones I listed, I was just trying to stay in context to the initial comment. In addition to what you said, I have also observed a lot of practicality problems. The suppressor works fine, but the sights aren't high enough so you can't see and need to get new sights or a riser. The suppressor works fine, but it stings your face with high velocity grit every time, or its choking you out with leaded gun smoke every shot. The suppressor doesn't work fine, and it turns out you need a special adapter, or a new buffer pad, or a different recoil spring before it will function properly. Or best yet, there's nothing wrong with the suppressor or the gun, but it turns out the suppressor is just a cunt hair too heavy for the gun to cycle reliably with subsonic ammunition, so you need a whole new suppressor if you want to run that gun suppressed.

Yeah, most of these problems can be solved by more time and money, but after more than a few range trips where we had to pull the suppressor off of the gun to get it to run, I just don't see the point of one unless they are dirt cheap and the legal restrictions are removed. Any money that I would put towards a suppressor, I would much rather put towards anything else firearms related, as it currently stands.
 
Fount of BadSpeak said:
For anyone who shoots regularly and at volume, you are either going to have to have a crate of back-up cans and welding gloves to swap out overheated cans, or opt to go without your expensive and legally obnoxious accessory.
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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. The low round count lifespan is what had always turned me off to suppressors; I don't know how you can justify the price tag on what is essentially a disposable component. On the topic of having a fucked up sight picture, having to re-zero your optic every time you swap/remove a suppressor would be a massive annoyance.
 
Fount of BadSpeak said:
I have a lot more issues with suppressors than just the ones I listed,
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A lot of those issues have to do with pistols, and yes, pistols (or technically anything with a moving barrel, but Browning/White pistol actions are the most common) can be fidgety about suppressors, that is true. Slapping a printed can on a .300BLK upper is not nearly as complex as all that.
 
Blasterisk said:
If your firearm is a tool to be used for a job, then they are a natural accessory that improve it in many ways.
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Outside of noise reduction I'm not sure what benefits suppressors bring.

And if you want the same benefits without the drawbacks just buy some Comtacs with active noise cancellation. You'll break even after burning through 2 or 3 cans, plus you get the ability to add comms to your setup.
 
888Flux said:
This is exactly the problem that the 3D2A community is trying to solve. As I said in my previous posts, 3D printed in part or whole suppressors make the economies of scale work.


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It takes $3 in PA6-CF, scotchcast, and resin to make an FTN5. For the price of one metal can you could buy a top of the line Bambu X1C and print as many as you would like.

There's now also FULLY 3d printed designs like the OP9
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I missed your comment initially: I love the idea, and support it wholeheartedly, but I do not think I am the kind of crowd that this is for. I would be much more likely to weld unused bottle caps into a thin tube and tac weld them to a re-threaded nut before I would be to 3D print anything; it isn't the idea of a suppressor that I find a problem, it's the legal bullshit and cost, in addition to the inconveniences I have had to deal with. Really, Republicans just needed to pull suppressors off of the NFA for me to want to fuck with it outside of some sort of legal collapse scenario.

Blasterisk said:
A lot of those issues have to do with pistols, and yes, pistols (or technically anything with a moving barrel, but Browning/White pistol actions are the most common) can be fidgety about suppressors, that is true. Slapping a printed can on a .300BLK upper is not nearly as complex as all that.
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Two were handguns, one was a subgun, one was a bullpup 5.56, one was an AK, and I forgot about the lever action that got a baffle strike the first tube of ammo lol. I will say that the bolt actions worked flawlessly with the suppressors, and the .22 LR with a can and subsonics was honestly magical. There is something amazing about the firing pin making more noise than the round going off and exiting the barrel. I have not had the chance to try an AR with a can as of yet so I can not speak to that. My point is, the general shooter doesn't find suppressors worth the cost, legal liability, and hassle to bother with them, and I consider myself one of them. The only can I have even thought about was a .22 LR can, and I would have to buy a bolt action rifle before I would go for it. It's just not worth it for a lot of people, even if I can absolutely see the utility in them in specific cases.
 
Arminius said:
I'm fairly sure they have been showing that off in Europe for at least a year.

Here is an article from 2024 SIG 55X
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Yeah and I'd bet money it's hitting the USA this year
WhoBusTank69 said:
That's the fun part, you don't find out it's garbage until after it's registered, bought and paid for.
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Feelz man, feelz

One of the reasons I haven't gotten a suppressor yet is fear of getting a gigantic POS 😩
 
Fount of BadSpeak said:
For myself, I really think cans are only worth it for high dollar defense builds that you have tested thoroughly, or hunting.
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After reading up on some of the literature posted earlier in the thread I am absolutely convinced that if you are shooting at an indoor range, a suppressor (or at least a linear compensator) is as important for your long term health as hearing protection, washing your hands after shooting, and probably more important than eye protection (if we are playing the odds).

If youre someone who shoots more than 1 box of ammo a year but only have access to an indoor firing range, you should be pretty fucking serious about getting a can.
 
Rabbi Yeshua Moon said:
I don't know how you're getting negrated for this unless these people are only using bolt guns. 11 mags per range trip isn't some insane amount.
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Copium I guess?
Blasterisk said:
If the point of shooting is turning money into noise, as it is for many Americans, then suppressors don't make any sense.

If your firearm is a tool to be used for a job, then they are a natural accessory that improve it in many ways.
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The only real benefit is signature reduction, and that isn’t usually important for competition or target shooting.
WhoBusTank69 said:
You can't repair them, you have to report whenever you go out of state with it, you have to report if you change residences and if it turns out to be complete shit, which is a non-zero chance with all the crap cans on the market, you're stuck with it or have to destroy it and report doing so.
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You can repair them, but there are limitations. You don’t have to file a 5320.20 to cross state lines with a can, only for permanent change of address.

A plastic can on any rifle caliber is gonna be underwhelming in terms of signature reduction and durability.
888Flux said:
This is exactly the problem that the 3D2A community is trying to solve. As I said in my previous posts, 3D printed in part or whole suppressors make the economies of scale work.


View attachment 8402106

It takes $3 in PA6-CF, scotchcast, and resin to make an FTN5. For the price of one metal can you could buy a top of the line Bambu X1C and print as many as you would like.

There's now also FULLY 3d printed designs like the OP9
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Cheap doesn’t equal good. Plastic suppressors has to be about the worst application for 3d printing.
Rabbi Yeshua Moon said:
That's a really good point I hadn't considered. The low round count lifespan is what had always turned me off to suppressors; I don't know how you can justify the price tag on what is essentially a disposable component. On the topic of having a fucked up sight picture, having to re-zero your optic every time you swap/remove a suppressor would be a massive annoyance.
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If you buy a quality suppressor, it should last a lot longer than the barrel and for low pressure rounds probably indefinitely. POI shift is minimal and repeatable for a quality setup, meaning you can account for it easily. It turns a 50 yard zero into a 100 yard zero on a 5.56 gun and is minimally different in holds.



I’ve owned multiple suppressors for over a decade and I’ll be the first to admit the appeal to them is the cool factor, and the government not wanting you to have them.
The most fun in my opinion is shooting subsonic ammo especially will full auto or FRT. Supersonic rifle calibers on the other hand are more of an annoyance, they heat up your gun really fast and quickly become a burn hazard.
 
Polock said:
After reading up on some of the literature posted earlier in the thread I am absolutely convinced that if you are shooting at an indoor range, a suppressor (or at least a linear compensator) is as important for your long term health as hearing protection, washing your hands after shooting, and probably more important than eye protection (if we are playing the odds).

If youre someone who shoots more than 1 box of ammo a year but only have access to an indoor firing range, you should be pretty fucking serious about getting a can.
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At that point you are just putting more toxic gasses in your face even with flow through cans. A better idea would be to double up on ear pro, or better yet find an outdoor range.
 
Polock said:
After reading up on some of the literature posted earlier in the thread I am absolutely convinced that if you are shooting at an indoor range, a suppressor (or at least a linear compensator) is as important for your long term health as hearing protection, washing your hands after shooting, and probably more important than eye protection (if we are playing the odds).

If youre someone who shoots more than 1 box of ammo a year but only have access to an indoor firing range, you should be pretty fucking serious about getting a can.
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Washing your hands in lead killer soap 🧼 and washing your range clothes by themselves 2x, once in lead killer detergent and once on normal detergent is what you want.

Or use those anti lead wipes.

Hearing pro.... Double up. Plugs and a basic electronic earmuff should keep your hearing A OK.

I have glasses and the frame arms each make a little hole in the earmuff cups, which is why I jae plugs.

Now if I had the cash for the really fancy in ear mold electric plugs I'd probably just use their but they're $350+ easy
 
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