Mega Rad Gun Thread

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Am I retarded for wanting to buy the Turk Spas 12 clone?

no and were two announced this year?


I have trouble believing you can make a "good" turkish shotgun for the 350 they are saying this is supposed to be if it can ever get imported.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Shit you and me both.

That and my 1943 make Mosin.

And eventually my pre WW2 Colt 1908 pocket hammerless when I get around I buying one (FUCK GUNBROKER)

I honestly want to take my 1911 and Garand out for 2gun this year in a WW2 larp. A damn shame how expensive that will be.

 

[big pauper]

Rarity does not necessarily mean value, hence my comment of surely there aren't that many francophiles looking for a fairly obscure postwar pistol. On the other end of the spectrum are M1 Garands, which are common even today (you'll see them at pretty much every gun store and show) and crazy expensive because everyone wants one.

the FN baby browning goes for about ~700 and the stainless and aluminum versions are basically unobtainable especially if they have pearl grips. think more like $1000 if you can even find one. They stopped importing them from 1960-1990 so most guns floating around are very old and in poor shape, especially because these are not exactly particularly robust devices, so boomers overvalue them. you can buy new production guns from a company called Precision Small Arms for $1200 so there's at least a fucking ceiling on the speculation



an american company called Bauer made stainless steel clones of the FN baby browning around like 1970-1985 when they stopped importing them. They came default in stainless with pearl grips, the most desireable configuration. they're mechanically identical except for the direction the barrel twists and the magazine safety connector. They're all in good condition because stainless steel and they're newer than most FN's floating around the US. But they're worth, like, maybe $400 on a good day despite being rarer and more interesting guns

 

[God's drunkest driver]

an american company called Bauer made stainless steel clones of the FN baby browning around like 1970-1985 when they stopped importing them. They came default in stainless with pearl grips, the most desireable configuration. they're mechanically identical except for the direction the barrel twists and the magazine safety connector. They're all in good condition because stainless steel and they're newer than most FN's floating around the US. But they're worth, like, maybe $400 on a good day despite being rarer and more interesting guns

Foxy Brown couldn't afford a Baby Browning, ironically.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

the FN baby browning goes for about ~700 and the stainless and aluminum versions are basically unobtainable especially if they have pearl grips. think more like $1000 if you can even find one. They stopped importing them from 1960-1990 so most guns floating around are very old and in poor shape, especially because these are not exactly particularly robust devices, so boomers overvalue them. you can buy new production guns from a company called Precision Small Arms for $1200 so there's at least a fucking ceiling on the speculation

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an american company called Bauer made stainless steel clones of the FN baby browning around like 1970-1985 when they stopped importing them. They came default in stainless with pearl grips, the most desireable configuration. they're mechanically identical except for the direction the barrel twists and the magazine safety connector. They're all in good condition because stainless steel and they're newer than most FN's floating around the US. But they're worth, like, maybe $400 on a good day despite being rarer and more interesting guns

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probably gets confused with the ring of fire pistols.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

no and were two announced this year?
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I have trouble believing you can make a "good" turkish shotgun for the 350 they are saying this is supposed to be if it can ever get imported.

MSRP is supposed to be closer to $1000 last I heard from SHOT Show coverage.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

Rarity does not necessarily mean value,

Exactly what I said before. It amazes me how few people do not understand this very simple concept. The MAC 50 is actually a great example. Its a pretty rare gun on the US market, BUT, its not iconic, its a single stack 9mm hangun, SAO, and really pretty mediocre all other things considered. While rarer, due to the lower demand, and general lack of remarkablity, it should being prices closer to its contemporaries, like the Beretta 1951, or Star B, ~$500-$600.

 

[big pauper]

probably gets confused with the ring of fire pistols.

It basically is one by the textbook definition of the term, the company popped up to meet demand for european guns banned for import in 1968 under the gun control act. But they were like three times the price of a raven pistol from the same era and the people who bought them mostly just seemed to throw them in a closet in the hopes they would be valuable someday

 

[74164978231]

I stand by ICE escalated the situation by using physical force against people who weren’t in the middle of their operations knocking them to the ground, and continued to unnecessarily escalate with pepper spray, and then multiple agents couldn’t actually effect an arrest dog piling the guy, disarmed him, then shot him

You do realize all of these people have been disrupting ice activities by blocking roads, using bullhorns, pots and pans to create excessive noise, screaming etc. right? That woman wasn't just standing on the sidewalk holding a sign.

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If he had just stood there and not put hands on the ice agent he would be alive.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

(FUCK GUNBROKER)

AMEN! I will never not affirm this. The most egotistical boomers thinking they have literal gold on their hands, and retards trying to recoup their costs of a project. The sheer amount of people willing to just let their overpriced garbage sit is astounding

MSRP is supposed to be closer to $1000

I sure hope not. So the grapevine says, the thing sells for ~$400 in Turkey. Additionally, the originals sell for ~$2500-$3000. A crappy copy at only a 3rd of the price is not worth it.

 

[big pauper]

Foxy Brown couldn't afford a Baby Browning, ironically.

considering how demicky the boomers are about things from movies and also black people, being prominently featured in a famous blacksploitation film probably killed the aftermarket value of the gun

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

18lbs? Though M1As always had the same drawbacks and among them was weight, I'm pretty sure a full length USGI style M1A is under 12lbs loaded. 18lbs from a smaller variant means there's a lot of heavy stuff attached.

Yeah, like I mentioned the full length quadrail is absolutely monstrous. On top of the rails the actual body of it isn't super thin like modern AR15 shrouds, it goes on like a super long clamshell and there's some overlap between the halves to keep it rigid so on both sides there's about a half-inch strip running the full length where it's about 2.5x as thick as modern mlok shrouds, on top of like three feet of rail space. If you pull off the quad rail and the light/optic/bipod it's much more usable but I've got a wooden stocked M1A that I'd rather use if I'm going to go that route since it's got the full length barrel. The fiberglass stocks are heavier than the wooden ones too

The easiest place to shed some weight would be the mag pouch on the stock, that's almost two pounds right there (the 18 pounds is loaded with a spare, so I guess 14-15ish pounds unloaded/no spare), but because it's right there on your shoulder it just doesn't affect the feel of it too much, at least imo. I guess the best upgrade I could do would be to try and find a folding monopod to replace the foregrip/bipod, not that it really needs the bipod since it's not a super precision weapon

Really the thing to do if I want to use an M1A would be to just buy/trade for a Socom 16 since it's the same short barrel M1A, just with a bit of rail/mlok where you actually would use it rather than a chunky shroud and about two feet more rail than you actually need, but like the tacticool chassis builds it's just not as cool lol. But I guess ultimately it's just destined to be a safe queen no matter what I do to it, setting up an AR10 just seems like the more logical thing to do if I ever actually have the need for a semi-auto .308 or comparable cartridge. They're several pounds lighter, much more customizable, and about half the price if not less

 

[HelpingNoone]

They stopped importing them from 1960-1990 so most guns floating around are very old and in poor shape, especially because these are not exactly particularly robust devices

They definitely are delicate things. Half the components and springs are held in by the grip cover. And the grip covers are held together with ONE screw.

I'd say mine is a B- grade; maybe C+. It was passed down to me and probably sat in the safe most its life.
It definitely shoots better than you would expect from a gun this size. I did make a holster recently so I could carry it occasionally.

One of my grips had a slight crack in the corner. I'm gonna get around to molding and casting a spare set for the range.

A side note, I also got an FN made SA22 from the era that I cleaned up and slightly restored. Parts are hard to find though and it took me a year to get a replacement barrel nut on eBay.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I have a question for the thread, what do you consider to be the prize of your collection?

I prize all my guns, but one that stands out is my Deane & Adams. Its a double action only muzzle loading revolver made in the 1850s in Belgium. It was used as a stage prop or something and is hopelessly worn out so I'll never fire it but I like just looking at it and fondling it. It has a very comfortable grip.

My most shot/carried gun is my Ruger Blackhawk in .45 colt. got about 10,000 rounds through it.

MSRP is supposed to be closer to $1000 last I heard from SHOT Show coverage.

that's the thing about turkish guns. They can build a nice shotgun or rifle or whatever but it will be about the same price as domestic/European guns so whats the point?

There are some nice entry level SxS guns imported from turkey under the Dickenson (?) name. they run a few thousand which is normal for a good quality no-frills new SxS. but for that same price you can get a used very high quality US, French or German double.

Exactly what I said before. It amazes me how few people do not understand this very simple concept. The MAC 50 is actually a great example. Its a pretty rare gun on the US market, BUT, its not iconic, its a single stack 9mm hangun, SAO, and really pretty mediocre all other things considered. While rarer, due to the lower demand, and general lack of remarkablity, it should being prices closer to its contemporaries, like the Beretta 1951, or Star B, ~$500-$600.

And age doesn't mean value or rarity either. Colt is a huge example of this. hundreds of thousands Percussion Colts were made across all models and post 1873 millions of cartridge firing colts were made across all models. They are not rare but people act like they are.

Old winchesters are the same way. it's hard to find a model 94 30-30 for under 1,000 dollars even used despite it litterally being the 2nd most common rifle in the US. Winchester alone about 10 million of the things.

 

[big pauper]

They definitely are delicate things. Half the components and springs are held in by the grip cover. And the grip covers are held together with ONE screw.

I'd say mine is a B- grade; maybe C+. It was passed down to me and probably sat in the safe most its life.
It definitely shoots better than you would expect from a gun this size. I did make a holster recently so I could carry it occasionally.
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One of my grips had a slight crack in the corner. I'm gonna get around to molding and casting a spare set for the range.

I bought old stock checkered wood grips off ebay for like $20 a while ago, looking now it seems to be a handful of wooden grips and some absolute retard trying to hock off badly molded resin grips for even more money. Why would you pay $35 for these resin grips when the wood ones are $20



Gun grips are like that i've noticed, i think enough of them are so simple to manufacture it attracts unscrupulous boomers who don't value their time yet have high expectations and no standards. I'm surprised they don't 3d print them but that would require actually learning a new process and methodology

 

[Among Us Gaming]

And age doesn't mean value or rarity either

It makes me wonder when the vintage/milsurp bubble is going to pop. When are people going to realize that a 91/30 mosin isn't worth $200+, a Garand isn't worth $1200+, and a colt new service isn't a $600 handgun.

 

[Alcoholism]

MK Machining has a prototype straight pull bull pup at SHOT, reminds me of the Gungnir.

Walther also introducing a Straight Pull Bullpup. What is in the water at Shot Show?

 

[BikeLock]

THE PRESIDENT KNOWS ABOUT THE SHAKE AWAKE FEATURES OF THE P320, ITS SO OVER SIGGER BROS.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

the FN baby browning goes for about ~700 and the stainless and aluminum versions are basically unobtainable especially if they have pearl grips. think more like $1000 if you can even find one. They stopped importing them from 1960-1990 so most guns floating around are very old and in poor shape, especially because these are not exactly particularly robust devices, so boomers overvalue them. you can buy new production guns from a company called Precision Small Arms for $1200 so there's at least a fucking ceiling on the speculation

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an american company called Bauer made stainless steel clones of the FN baby browning around like 1970-1985 when they stopped importing them. They came default in stainless with pearl grips, the most desireable configuration. they're mechanically identical except for the direction the barrel twists and the magazine safety connector. They're all in good condition because stainless steel and they're newer than most FN's floating around the US. But they're worth, like, maybe $400 on a good day despite being rarer and more interesting guns

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Yep I'd rather have the Bauer

This is the Colt I want

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Model_1908_Vest_Pocket

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Walther also introducing a Straight Pull Bullpup. What is in the water at Shot Show?

Color me skeptical that the Walther will reach the US market. It'll do well in europe, but the cool Euro hunting rifles (like the straight pulls) never seem to actually get to market here.