Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Kamov Ka-52]

After shooting a buddy of mine's Mosin at the range again I really wish they were still cheap and readily available. The kick of the 7.62x54mmR and working the bolt are viscerally and immensely satisfying.

Also considering buying my first AR, any recommendations for what to check out in the entry level market?

 

[Damocles_Sword]

After shooting a buddy of mine's Mosin at the range again I really wish they were still cheap and readily available. The kick of the 7.62x54mmR and working the bolt are viscerally and immensely satisfying.

Also considering buying my first AR, any recommendations for what to check out in the entry level market?

Ah yes, I remember buying my M44 for $86.57 at a pawn shop, finally got around to baking the cosmoline out of the wood...

As for your first AR, part build the lower, DON'T get the ultra cheap stripped poly lowers. A stripper lower will run you $80-120, about $70 for a parts kit. Buffer tube kit with spring and buffer will run you $30-50, (make sure you get the right buffer tube for the stock you want) and you can get a decent stock for around $50. There are some collapsable ones for $15. And Mags will run $15-20. A company, Del-Ton i think, has a ~$250 completed upper, in 5.56 (not .223, you want a 5.56 upper) Just needs a cheap carry handle rear sight for the top rail. Assuming you're in the US, no paperwork needed for the upper. I've got one, works just fine, good fit and finish, accurate. It'll get you a decent quality beginner AR for around $550

 

[The Dude]

After shooting a buddy of mine's Mosin at the range again I really wish they were still cheap and readily available. The kick of the 7.62x54mmR and working the bolt are viscerally and immensely satisfying.

Also considering buying my first AR, any recommendations for what to check out in the entry level market?

I wish I had gotten a Kar98 Mauser when I had a chance to get one for $400. It was arsenal refurbished, but it was very nicely done, and it was a genuine WWII-era German Kar98. I love WWII and early Cold War-era military rifles. One day I hope to get an Egyptian Hakim, FN SAFN, and a Garand. But, there are more important additions to make to my collection first.

 

[Pop-Tart]

lol tl;dr for total idiocy

Niche round is for a select audience.

The 30rds 9x19mm 3D-printable Glock Magazine, The Extendez Magazine has been released:

Trailer: https://files.catbox.moe/swbymt.mp4

Files: https://spee.ch/@Deterrence-Dispensed/ExtendezMagv1

You can 3D Print 30 round Glock mags, next step is the FGC 9. Also apparently they now have people in the PRC contributing to deterrence dispensed and may have helped with producing primers easy.[/QUOTE]

 

[AprilRains]

Niche round is for a select audience.

I'm well aware. The original intent, according to Bill Jordan, was to create a general utility police round with hunting applications. Since he was physically present when Elmer Keith evangelized for the 41 Magnum, I'll take his word, thanks.

Needless to say, that didn't happen. I wish it had.

 

[millais]

Took my Mauser to an indoor range today since it's still too hot to go plinking out in the sticks, and while I was there I also had an opportunity to try out a few mags with one of those semi-auto commercial variants of the Steyr AUG. Judging by the shorter barrel length, I think it was one of the carbine models. Very handy size and I thought the ergonomics were pretty good, but I couldn't figure out how to hit the magazine release and pull out the mag with just one hand, seems like a task requiring the use of both hands unless I'm missing some obvious method to it.

I was pretty worn out by shooting the Mauser offhand from a standing position the whole day, so by the time I had the chance to try out the AUG, I lacked the strength to repeatedly charge the bolt with sufficient force and speed, so ended up with a lot of nasty double feeds that dented some of the cartridges

 

[Iceland Heavy]

I believe the Secret Service and Federal Air Marshals, and I want to say the Massachusetts or Maryland Highway Patrol, use .357 SIG, but they don't really offer much over +P+ 9mm loaded with the same weight bullet (actually the same bullet), but like the. 40 S&W the .357 SIG has a high chamber pressure which translates into a loud report when fired, harsher recoil, and violent muzzle flip. The whole point was to replicate the performance of the 1254gr .357 Magnum load in a high-capacity auto-loader. It does just fine in that loading, but the other loads are pretty mediocre. Like I said, you can get very similar performance by buying +P+ 9mm loads, have lower recoil, higher capacity, more versatility, and less expensive ammo.

A few departments adopted .45 GAP (I want to say DC Police did, but I could be wrong), but it is pretty much a disappointment otherwise. Most people who go with a .45 will stick with the tried and true .45 ACP. Its widely available, has more options for loads, and is more affordable. .45 GAP was truly a cartridge that no one asked for. I think less departments and agencies actually adopted .45 GAP than departments and agencies who adopted .357 SIG. The logic is sound: why adopt a niche cartridge that's going to cost more and have lower availability than popular, tried and true cartridges like 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP?

There are a lot of interesting articles about the history behind the development and adoption of these cartridges, including info on which law enforcement departments and agencies who issue them. This kind of stuff has always interested me because of my Dad working in law enforcement. He was issued several different sidearms in a variety of cartridges during his career. He worked for two different agencies beginning in the 80s. He started out with a S&W Model 10 in .38spcl for one agency, and a S&W 686 in .357 Magnum for the other. That Smith Model 10 eventually became a S&W 9mm (forget the model), then a stainless 3rd Gen S&W 9mm, then a S&W Sigma in .40 S&W, and finally a 3rd Gen GLOCK 23. The other agency he hung on to the 686 into the late 90s (it was his favorite sidearm that he was ever issued), until they went with the Beretta 96D Brigadier in .40 S&W (which he HATED). They were just doing away with the Beretta 96s in favor of H&Ks and SIGs in .40 S&W when my Dad retired. So I've always had an interest in the history of what cartridges get adopted for law enforcement use, what departments/agencies end up adopting for their standard issue sidearms, and why they decided to adopt the pistols and cartridges they did.

Do you know much about the durability of the .40 3rd Generation S&W semi-autos? I'm picking up a 4013 TSW in .40 soon which is practically unobtainium where I live, I always thought they were really aesthetic but now I'm not even sure I should fire it since it hasn't had any rounds through it and spare parts would be pretty hard to come by if something does break.

 

[Distant Stare]

Niche round is for a select audience.




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You can 3D Print 30 round Glock mags, next step is the FGC 9. Also apparently they now have people in the PRC contributing to deterrence dispensed and may have helped with producing primers easy.

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I have done this it works.

 

[The Dude]

Took my Mauser to an indoor range today since it's still too hot to go plinking out in the sticks, and while I was there I also had an opportunity to try out a few mags with one of those semi-auto commercial variants of the Steyr AUG. Judging by the shorter barrel length, I think it was one of the carbine models. Very handy size and I thought the ergonomics were pretty good, but I couldn't figure out how to hit the magazine release and pull out the mag with just one hand, seems like a task requiring the use of both hands unless I'm missing some obvious method to it.

I was pretty worn out by shooting the Mauser offhand from a standing position the whole day, so by the time I had the chance to try out the AUG, I lacked the strength to repeatedly charge the bolt with sufficient force and speed, so ended up with a lot of nasty double feeds that dented some of the cartridges

I'll tell you how I do it with my AUG: grab the mag with your off hand (left hand for me being a righty) with your fingers wrapped around the front of the mag and your thumb sticking backwards, grip the mag with your fingers and use your thumb to press up on the mag release, then use your thumb to push your hand downwards while also tugging with yoke fingers to extract the magazine. With a little practice you can strip the mag out fairly quickly, though it'll never be as fast as a rifle with (normally) drop free mags where you can be bringing up a fresh mag as the spent one is dropped, or a rifle with rock-in mags and a paddle mag release like the FAL or AK where you can use the fresh mag to hit the mag release and stroke out the spent mag, then rock in the fresh one. You've got to strip out the spent mag first, then pull out the fresh mag and insert it into the weapon.

Do you know much about the durability of the .40 3rd Generation S&W semi-autos? I'm picking up a 4013 TSW in .40 soon which is practically unobtainium where I live, I always thought they were really aesthetic but now I'm not even sure I should fire it since it hasn't had any rounds through it and spare parts would be pretty hard to come by if something does break.

I've had a couple Gen 3 S&W autos. The only one I liked was the S&W 1076. Generally, I'm not a bit fan of them, especially with how the recoil spring and guide rod are retained by a little notch where the chamber and barrel meet. I've had plenty of them go shooting off into the air or into the web of my hand during disassembly/reassembly because there isn't a lot keeping things in place. Virtually any modern pistol would be a better option, including the new S&W M&P pistols. But that's my opinion. For a metal framed pistol in .40 S&W, the SIG P226 or P229 is the superior choice.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

I've had a couple Gen 3 S&W autos. The only one I liked was the S&W 1076. Generally, I'm not a bit fan of them, especially with how the recoil spring and guide rod are retained by a little notch where the chamber and barrel meet. I've had plenty of them go shooting off into the air or into the web of my hand during disassembly/reassembly because there isn't a lot keeping things in place. Virtually any modern pistol would be a better option, including the new S&W M&P pistols. But that's my opinion. For a metal framed pistol in .40 S&W, the SIG P226 or P229 is the superior choice.

A P229 in .40 was one of the first guns I ever shot so I have a soft spot for both it and the caliber, I ended up getting the P229 in 9mm though. The appeal for the gen 3s for me is more aesthetics than anything, I've never actually shot one.

 

[Tour of Italy]

As of right now, I've developed a keen interest in battle rifles. Been looking up information on the G3 and FN FAL but I'm probably going to stick to Cetme/G3 because magazines are cheaper and I already have a parts kit and other components.

I’ve developed an obsession with guns for the better part of this year, and I keep coming back to considering a .308 battle rifle as a first purchase. This is despite the fact that I haven’t been shooting in over a decade and would probably be better served with something in .22lr like a 10/22 or cheap Marlin so I can learn the basics of handling and marksmanship on a budget. We’re trying to be frugal, and it’s tougher I justify multiple guns at the moment, and the idea of a .308 as general purpose emergency self defense/hunting weapon is appealing.

Plus surplus G3 variants aren’t going to be around forever, and the market is pretty good for them, moreso than the FAL.

There’s something about the C308 that just grabs me. Maybe it’s the currently available model with the sexy wood furniture.

As for your first AR, part build the lower, DON'T get the ultra cheap stripped poly lowers. A stripper lower will run you $80-120, about $70 for a parts kit. Buffer tube kit with spring and buffer will run you $30-50, (make sure you get the right buffer tube for the stock you want) and you can get a decent stock for around $50. There are some collapsable ones for $15. And Mags will run $15-20. A company, Del-Ton i think, has a ~$250 completed upper, in 5.56 (not .223, you want a 5.56 upper) Just needs a cheap carry handle rear sight for the top rail. Assuming you're in the US, no paperwork needed for the upper. I've got one, works just fine, good fit and finish, accurate. It'll get you a decent quality beginner AR for around $550

Any thoughts on Palmetto State Armory? They have complete uppers and lowers that can be smacked together for a $350 rifle. It seems a little too good to be true, and less appealing since completed Ruger and S&W AR’s are sub $500 right now.

The AR platform seems like the most reasonable choice if you’re only going to have one or a few guns, but I’m in a state that’s pushing hard for gun control next legaslative session, so I’m not sure. Maybe all the more reason to get one now?

Or maybe stick with something less scary looking and less likely to be banned, like a mini-14 or an SU-16. I’ve handled the latter and it just feels great. It’s a light rifle, and they make a version with a folding stock that can fire from folded position. Although I wouldn’t get that version without seeing in person how stiff and durable the stock feels.

Also I’m not sure if gun control advocates will fall for the same kinda of shit they did with the AWB, so maybe the lack of pistol grip won’t matter so much.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I’ve developed an obsession with guns for the better part of this year, and I keep coming back to considering a .308 battle rifle as a first purchase. This is despite the fact that I haven’t been shooting in over a decade and would probably be better served with something in .22lr like a 10/22 or cheap Marlin so I can learn the basics of handling and marksmanship on a budget. We’re trying to be frugal, and it’s tougher I justify multiple guns at the moment, and the idea of a .308 as general purpose emergency self defense/hunting weapon is appealing.

Plus surplus G3 variants aren’t going to be around forever, and the market is pretty good for them, moreso than the FAL.

There’s something about the C308 that just grabs me. Maybe it’s the currently available model with the sexy wood furniture.



Any thoughts on Palmetto State Armory? They have complete uppers and lowers that can be smacked together for a $350 rifle. It seems a little too good to be true, and less appealing since completed Ruger and S&W AR’s are sub $500 right now.

The AR platform seems like the most reasonable choice if you’re only going to have one or a few guns, but I’m in a state that’s pushing hard for gun control next legaslative session, so I’m not sure. Maybe all the more reason to get one now?

Or maybe stick with something less scary looking and less likely to be banned, like a mini-14 or an SU-16. I’ve handled the latter and it just feels great. It’s a light rifle, and they make a version with a folding stock that can fire from folded position. Although I wouldn’t get that version without seeing in person how stiff and durable the stock feels.

Also I’m not sure if gun control advocates will fall for the same kinda of shit they did with the AWB, so maybe the lack of pistol grip won’t matter so much.

If you want a Cetme 308 be careful, some of them are lemons because Century are drunk monkeys with hammers. For example, instead of changing out rollers on the bolt heads they ground down the front of the bolt head itself to fit. This caused issues no doubt. The newer ones are usually decent but just be aware. There's also the PTR series that is US made with Portuguese tooling (HK licensed) among other things.

 

[Damocles_Sword]

I’ve developed an obsession with guns for the better part of this year, and I keep coming back to considering a .308 battle rifle as a first purchase. This is despite the fact that I haven’t been shooting in over a decade and would probably be better served with something in .22lr like a 10/22 or cheap Marlin so I can learn the basics of handling and marksmanship on a budget. We’re trying to be frugal, and it’s tougher I justify multiple guns at the moment, and the idea of a .308 as general purpose emergency self defense/hunting weapon is appealing.

Plus surplus G3 variants aren’t going to be around forever, and the market is pretty good for them, moreso than the FAL.

There’s something about the C308 that just grabs me. Maybe it’s the currently available model with the sexy wood furniture.



Any thoughts on Palmetto State Armory? They have complete uppers and lowers that can be smacked together for a $350 rifle. It seems a little too good to be true, and less appealing since completed Ruger and S&W AR’s are sub $500 right now.

The AR platform seems like the most reasonable choice if you’re only going to have one or a few guns, but I’m in a state that’s pushing hard for gun control next legaslative session, so I’m not sure. Maybe all the more reason to get one now?

Or maybe stick with something less scary looking and less likely to be banned, like a mini-14 or an SU-16. I’ve handled the latter and it just feels great. It’s a light rifle, and they make a version with a folding stock that can fire from folded position. Although I wouldn’t get that version without seeing in person how stiff and durable the stock feels.

Also I’m not sure if gun control advocates will fall for the same kinda of shit they did with the AWB, so maybe the lack of pistol grip won’t matter so much.

An ARs an AR, more or less. As long as you have a good lower you can strip it out and put whatever parts you want in it. The biggest benefit to the AR is it's modularity. Want something cartoonishly accurate? Slap on a 6.8 SPC upper with a 24 inch barrel and a scope. Want to tear a big hole in something up close? .50 Beowulf upper. Want a fun day at the range? You can shoot 5.56 for days. If you're concerend about legislation, get one now, as most of that stuff will have a grandfather clause, or if it doesn't you could just say you were out on the lake fishing, you had it with your gear, and lost it when the boat capsized. Or just move. Also, an addendum to my earlier post, assemble a stripped lower as a pistol first, because the ATF is a collection of drooling morons. You can turn a pistol into a rifle and back, but you can't turn a rifle into a pistol.

 

[Tour of Italy]

If you want a Cetme 308 be careful, some of them are lemons because Century are drunk monkeys with hammers. For example, instead of changing out rollers on the bolt heads they ground down the front of the bolt head itself to fit. This caused issues no doubt. The newer ones are usually decent but just be aware. There's also the PTR series that is US made with Portuguese tooling (HK licensed) among other things.

Thanks for the tip! The PTR guns tend to be a little more expensive, but it sounds like I'd just be paying for more quality. I remember hearing that the Century Arms rebuilds use PTR receivers, but from what you're saying that might not matter if there is a chance that they're butchering the gun during assembly anyway.

An ARs an AR, more or less. As long as you have a good lower you can strip it out and put whatever parts you want in it. The biggest benefit to the AR is it's modularity. Want something cartoonishly accurate? Slap on a 6.8 SPC upper with a 24 inch barrel and a scope. Want to tear a big hole in something up close? .50 Beowulf upper. Want a fun day at the range? You can shoot 5.56 for days. If you're concerend about legislation, get one now, as most of that stuff will have a grandfather clause, or if it doesn't you could just say you were out on the lake fishing, you had it with your gear, and lost it when the boat capsized. Or just move. Also, an addendum to my earlier post, assemble a stripped lower as a pistol first, because the ATF is a collection of drooling morons. You can turn a pistol into a rifle and back, but you can't turn a rifle into a pistol.

Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards just getting one now. It's a buyer's market at the moment; the low end is pretty well saturated, and with the rhetoric swarming around, I'm getting the feeling that the bigger companies are looking to unload their stock while they still can without having to modify it. Some of the bills on the table in my state want to get rid of everything semi-auto, with mandatory turn-ins and the like, but I think in most cases that's just a way to make the compromise seem more palatable. It's all exceptional in the first place, but the Republican majority is hanging on by a thread and I'd rather have a gun now than never be able to have one come November. All the better if I can get one now for cheap.

As far as the ATF goes, when you say assemble it as a pistol first, do you have to fire it in that configuration, or just bring it to the point where it's ready to fire? I mean it all sounds like pointless bureaucratic voodoo, but I do like the idea of being able to have an AR pistol without committing a felony. The current rules are strange and stupid, and overly restrictive in some ways, but I do think there's a certain benefit to the idea that the lower is the only part registered. In other countries you have to serialize and register multiple parts of the firearm, and I definitely don't like the sound of that.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Thanks for the tip! The PTR guns tend to be a little more expensive, but it sounds like I'd just be paying for more quality. I remember hearing that the Century Arms rebuilds use PTR receivers, but from what you're saying that might not matter if there is a chance that they're butchering the gun during assembly anyway.



Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards just getting one now. It's a buyer's market at the moment; the low end is pretty well saturated, and with the rhetoric swarming around, I'm getting the feeling that the bigger companies are looking to unload their stock while they still can without having to modify it. Some of the bills on the table in my state want to get rid of everything semi-auto, with mandatory turn-ins and the like, but I think in most cases that's just a way to make the compromise seem more palatable. It's all exceptional in the first place, but the Republican majority is hanging on by a thread and I'd rather have a gun now than never be able to have one come November. All the better if I can get one now for cheap.

As far as the ATF goes, when you say assemble it as a pistol first, do you have to fire it in that configuration, or just bring it to the point where it's ready to fire? I mean it all sounds like pointless bureaucratic voodoo, but I do like the idea of being able to have an AR pistol without committing a felony. The current rules are strange and stupid, and overly restrictive in some ways, but I do think there's a certain benefit to the idea that the lower is the only part registered. In other countries you have to serialize and register multiple parts of the firearm, and I definitely don't like the sound of that.

PTR is okay but again is a bit costly. At least HK G3 and Cetme magazines are not expensive, in fact I'm probably going to get more. If you pay more than $5 you did too much.

As for me I found a Cetme .308 kit but my build is evolving into more of an early HK G3 with wood and German sights, I have parts from a variety of countries. I'm kind of ashamed I didn't consider roller delayed blowbacks earlier on, for something that almost became a curiosity, they sure work fine. It's also a good idea to break them in with steel cased rounds, they sometimes do weird things to brass otherwise due to the fluted chamber. Wolf and TulAmmo .308 can be had at okay prices but I'm looking at rolling my own, brass and/or steel cases can be had for reasonable prices if you're keen enough to find the deals.

Of course, you can also go AR-10 or FN FAL if you have the funds, but price for FALs and magazines, and the ease of building an AR-10 may be factors. To answer your other question, you can build an 80% receiver and not need to register it, in most states. But if you build it as a rifle it's gotta stay a rifle. That's okay, lowers aren't expensive anyway. But you can put a rifle upper on a pistol lower and be OK, and then change it back. It's weird I know, and good luck proving that anyone actually broke the law on this. Yeah it makes no sense, but government/law/politics never does anyway.

As far as pistols, the Polymer 80 is a good way to create a Glock clone for relatively inexpensive prices. Slides are available for them all over eBay, mostly for 9mm but occasionally you'll find a 10mm/.45 ACP compatible one. Ironically, muzzle devices are available, but threaded barrels are not allowed on eBay, normal ones are though.

 

[Damocles_Sword]

Thanks for the tip! The PTR guns tend to be a little more expensive, but it sounds like I'd just be paying for more quality. I remember hearing that the Century Arms rebuilds use PTR receivers, but from what you're saying that might not matter if there is a chance that they're butchering the gun during assembly anyway.



Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards just getting one now. It's a buyer's market at the moment; the low end is pretty well saturated, and with the rhetoric swarming around, I'm getting the feeling that the bigger companies are looking to unload their stock while they still can without having to modify it. Some of the bills on the table in my state want to get rid of everything semi-auto, with mandatory turn-ins and the like, but I think in most cases that's just a way to make the compromise seem more palatable. It's all exceptional in the first place, but the Republican majority is hanging on by a thread and I'd rather have a gun now than never be able to have one come November. All the better if I can get one now for cheap.

As far as the ATF goes, when you say assemble it as a pistol first, do you have to fire it in that configuration, or just bring it to the point where it's ready to fire? I mean it all sounds like pointless bureaucratic voodoo, but I do like the idea of being able to have an AR pistol without committing a felony. The current rules are strange and stupid, and overly restrictive in some ways, but I do think there's a certain benefit to the idea that the lower is the only part registered. In other countries you have to serialize and register multiple parts of the firearm, and I definitely don't like the sound of that.

Just document that you built the lower in a pistol configuration first. Take some timestamped photos or make an assembly video, just on the rare chance the ATF thinks you're doing something they dont like. Truthfully, though, it really is just pointless bureaucratic voodoo, and as long as you don't brag, aren't swapping configurations at the range, and you don't put the pistol upper on while there's a stock on the lower no one's gonna bother you about it.

 

[Pop-Tart]

Been a bit since I posted. So some more random news from DD keybase. They have an open bounty out there for some to design a 3D printed shotgun mag. Once a appropriate design is provided they will then they will design the rest of the gun around it as the mag is the hardest part.

Also there is more talk of their ammo development. They are working toward making aluminum shell casings. Right now they are experimenting with how to best develop the bottom of the shell casing with simple or no machining.

Also someone is working on a feeding device to be 3d printed in states where pinned ARs are common. How it works is that states like say New York people pin a 10 round mag in place so it cannot be removed then they can have all the features they want on the rifle. Since there is no detachable mag., you just use a feeding device that goes into the ejection port that in effect acts as a stripper clip.

tl;dr A 3D printable version of this.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Been a bit since I posted. So some more random news from DD keybase. They have an open bounty out there for some to design a 3D printed shotgun mag. Once a appropriate design is provided they will then they will design the rest of the gun around it as the mag is the hardest part.

Also there is more talk of their ammo development. They are working toward making aluminum shell casings. Right now they are experimenting with how to best develop the bottom of the shell casing with simple or no machining.

Also someone is working on a feeding device to be 3d printed in states where pinned ARs are common. How it works is that states like say New York people pin a 10 round mag in place so it cannot be removed then they can have all the features they want on the rifle. Since there is no detachable mag., you just use a feeding device that goes into the ejection port that in effect acts as a stripper clip.

A 3D printable version of this.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IQutj2wNaPc

So California has effectively pushed gun engineering into developing a stripper clip fed AR. That’s wild.

 

[Particle Bored]

Been a bit since I posted. So some more random news from DD keybase. They have an open bounty out there for some to design a 3D printed shotgun mag. Once a appropriate design is provided they will then they will design the rest of the gun around it as the mag is the hardest part.

Also there is more talk of their ammo development. They are working toward making aluminum shell casings. Right now they are experimenting with how to best develop the bottom of the shell casing with simple or no machining.

Also someone is working on a feeding device to be 3d printed in states where pinned ARs are common. How it works is that states like say New York people pin a 10 round mag in place so it cannot be removed then they can have all the features they want on the rifle. Since there is no detachable mag., you just use a feeding device that goes into the ejection port that in effect acts as a stripper clip.

tl;dr A 3D printable version of this.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IQutj2wNaPc

But don't mags squish shot shells?

It's nice theyre broadening their scope, but aluminum shells? With or without a machined base, I assume the shells would need to be stamped/pressed. At the point youve got a stamping press in your shop, DD stuff feels like it would be a downgrade.

So California has effectively pushed gun engineering into developing a stripper clip fed AR. That’s wild.

They may be babies that would rather mess with extraneous takedown pin gadgets (and a restriction against 30-round mags, and a bitch of a time clearing jams) than deal with a slightly goofy featureless grip, but at least theyre innovative.

 

[Pop-Tart]

But don't mags squish shot shells?

It's nice theyre broadening their scope, but aluminum shells? With or without a machined base, I assume the shells would need to be stamped/pressed. At the point youve got a stamping press in your shop, DD stuff feels like it would be a downgrade.

They have been broadening their scope for a bit. As for the mag shotshell comment I don't know. Maybe they are doing a work around, I am just letting you guys know. Also as for the shell casings they are working on various ways of getting it done, I don't know anymore. But they did say that they are designing it for your average joe that doesn't know what a stamping press is.

I am getting the feeling a lot of the fine details are being lost as I mention them here, as I am not the most technically minded person. Sorry about that, but if you wanna know more in depth just got to the source and check their keybase.

They may be babies that would rather mess with extraneous takedown pin gadgets (and a restriction against 30-round mags, and a bitch of a time clearing jams) than deal with a slightly goofy featureless grip, but at least theyre innovative.

This is more for the NY/CT/MA market where you can't use the normal Cali work around.