Metroid general

[Lone MacReady II]

This is basically Tanabe's Other M. Not as bad as Other M because Samus herself didn't have her character assassinated, but it's certainly as disappointing. I hope there are at least lessons that will be noted and learned from but definitely won't hold my breath when it comes to modern goytendo. I think Prime will just be shelved the way Star Fox and F-Zero have been shelved, sad but perhaps necessary to keep ninty's retarded ass from bastardizing it any more than they already have.

The true horror, comes in the form of a Metroid movie inside goytendo's wannabe hollyjew cinematic universe, which you know they will do. Something that, of course, could be cool if done right - but 100% will not be. I will put money down now that if they do make a Metroid movie, it won't even be as good or as tonally consistent as an early 2000s Prime advertisement.

After watching it again I'm amazed how badly Prime 4's marvel mandates fuck with the tone. Metroid isn't marvel. It isn't about quips or jokes or nigger sgt. johnson knockoffs, it's solitary and serious. I'd argue Metroid is probably Nintendo's most serious franchise outside of singular games like Eternal Darkness.

 

[Gossip Avoider]

My hope was Ninentdo would stick with MercurySteam and let them go wild with a 3D title.
But not in the Prime style, which already had its conclusive trilogy, but Other M-esque:
fast-paced and more character action.

Lords of Shadow was always just short of a masterpiece, and, with more experience and Nintendo backing to boot, they could have pulled through.
Their depiction of Samus was already my favorite:
Physical, seasoned, stoic, cocky, and full goblin mode in the end.

But Tanabe's affection for the Galactic Federation would have poisoned that hypothetical game as well.
He doesn't get the appeal of the franchise, that the Galactic Federation only works as a fraction to further the world building.
The material opposite to the Space Pirates, whereas the Chozo, Ing and Luminoth etc. are the esoteric fractions and the x, metroids, phazon are the biological ones.
None of them should take center stage, but their relation to Samus and the world she inhabits/explores.

 

[derapples]

The true horror, comes in the form of a Metroid movie inside goytendo's wannabe hollyjew cinematic universe,

I don't think a Metroid movie is going to happen just because it doesn't have the mass appeal or recognition of Mario or Zelda. I think they'd do a Kirby movie before Metroid honestly.

My hope was Ninentdo would stick with MercurySteam and let them go wild with a 3D title

I really hope that studio somehow pulls through all the shit they've been going through. I haven't found any articles or stories about the current state of the studio after those initial articles talking about staff complaints with management. It would be such a shame if large amounts of devs just leave the studio for other jobs, because it's clear they had some pretty talented teams. I hope for at least a Platinum Games situation where lots of the talent leave to make their own studio and continue to make games together.

 

[DicklordWizard]

I'm not watching a Metroid movie unless it's a Give Yourself Goosebumps thing with branching DVD chapters for different paths.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

The true horror, comes in the form of a Metroid movie inside goytendo's wannabe hollyjew cinematic universe, which you know they will do. Something that, of course, could be cool if done right - but 100% will not be. I will put money down now that if they do make a Metroid movie, it won't even be as good or as tonally consistent as an early 2000s Prime advertisement.

Metroid is unironically the easiest of their franchise to turn into a movie, since Samus has such a clear cut beginning middle and present, all you have to do is tell her childhood, young adult hood, and then adulthood as a movie, it basically writes itself.

but this is Hollywood, a female that is stoic and short on words? that won't do, they HAVE to fill every moment with dialogue.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

Metroid is unironically the easiest of their franchise to turn into a movie, since Samus has such a clear cut beginning middle and present, all you have to do is tell her childhood, young adult hood, and then adulthood as a movie, it basically writes itself.

but this is Hollywood, a female that is stoic and short on words? that won't do, they HAVE to fill every moment with dialogue.

Samus would get the Netflix Devil May Cry treatment where she'd be "the most badass fucking woman alive" and swear every sentence (at least once) to prove it.

 

[iScream into the void]

Cleared the Trilogy on hypermode. Fun fact, it's called that because you'll spend 90% of your time in Hypermode for Prime 3.
Looking back, the escort mission for 3 where you have to lead the Demo troopers to the gate at the end, is nowhere near as fucking awful as the vast majority of escort missions in other games. The backtracking wasn't that bad, my only major annoyance was waiting for the scene transition with the planet changes. The only real annoyance was the presence of the Phaazoids and enemies relying on hypermode (hypocrite that I am).

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

My hope was Ninentdo would stick with MercurySteam and let them go wild with a 3D title.
But not in the Prime style, which already had its conclusive trilogy, but Other M-esque:
fast-paced and more character action.

Lords of Shadow was always just short of a masterpiece, and, with more experience and Nintendo backing to boot, they could have pulled through.
Their depiction of Samus was already my favorite:
Physical, seasoned, stoic, cocky, and full goblin mode in the end.

But Tanabe's affection for the Galactic Federation would have poisoned that hypothetical game as well.
He doesn't get the appeal of the franchise, that the Galactic Federation only works as a fraction to further the world building.
The material opposite to the Space Pirates, whereas the Chozo, Ing and Luminoth etc. are the esoteric fractions and the x, metroids, phazon are the biological ones.
None of them should take center stage, but their relation to Samus and the world she inhabits/explores.

I think that there was a serious disconnect between what Japanese and Western gamers understood about Metroid's overall lore, due to a combination of incorrect/poor translation and writing and the original developers not seeming to care enough to rein things in generally, leading to trouble when it came to plot-heavy stories like Fusion and Other M (did you know that the Galactic Federation's military branch was called the Federation Army and it had its own rogue splinter group, that its political branch consisted of a parliament, or that the home planet was supposed to be Earth? I sure didn't).



Until...I happened upon a video which was made five years ago, which goes into greater detail about just what the entire plot of Other M was trying to get at, and how it was a lot more coherent than it first appeared.

And here's the cinema version of Other M with Japanese subtitles (where being referred to as an outsider does not "pierce (her) heart".)

 

[Newcomer 42]

Say what you want about Other M, at least the cringe was confined to cutscenes. MP4 has the fucking NPCs in your face most of the time, and as in most cases with woke writers, they know you don't want them around since they have lines making fun of you if you shoot them. The writers hate you, and they show it so.

 

[StacticShock]

Apparently prime 4 was supposed to have even more retarded dialogue and what we got is the reduced version.

just can't fucking have anything good with a female MC circa 2020's now, can't we? trannies and soycucks self inserting is too on the fucking nose and it gets tiresome really quick.

 

[Gossip Avoider]

just can't fucking have anything good with a female MC circa 2020's now

Soulstice is great, the plot is heavily Claymore inspired, and the gameplay is a straight forward Devil May Cry clone.
As Devil May Cry clones only existed between 2001-2004 and most of them were shit to mediocre, Soulstice feels almost fresh today.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

At least she isn't butchered like the others.
Can we had proper female mc which needs a hug?

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

Soulstice is great, the plot is heavily Claymore inspired, and the gameplay is a straight forward Devil May Cry clone.
As Devil May Cry clones only existed between 2001-2004 and most of them were shit to mediocre, Soulstice feels almost fresh today.

Thank you for this, my wife loves Claymore so I just found a new game to play for her

 

[Lone MacReady II]

Say what you want about Other M, at least the cringe was confined to cutscenes.

Mostly true, except when you consider things like frying yourself alive in a heat zone because choke-me-daddy Adam didn't authorize your heat protection. As a maximum copefag when it comes to Metroid, I will say I earnestly hope goytendo learns from Prime 4 in a similar way they had to learn from Other M.

Both games teach very valuable lessons; Other M showed how NOT to do Samus and a story, and Prime 4 shows how NOT to do NPCs and a main villain. Granted each has many more flaws than those, Other M also had shit art design, shit biomes, shit music, shit characters, and shit controls, and Prime 4 has inconsistent biomes, a shit hub, shit suits, and shit gimmicks. Primes 1-3 didn't have any of these problems.

Cleared the Trilogy on hypermode. Fun fact, it's called that because you'll spend 90% of your time in Hypermode for Prime 3.
Looking back, the escort mission for 3 where you have to lead the Demo troopers to the gate at the end, is nowhere near as fucking awful as the vast majority of escort missions in other games.

Case and point, now that everyone has BAD examples to compare it to, Prime 3's initial perceived "faults" are anything but. You CAN have NPCs and not have them suck, Prime 3 did it. You CAN have dialogue and not have it suck, Prime 3 did it. You CAN have escort missions and not have them suck, Prime 3 did that.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

I still hate how metroid/boss fusion works. It's literally never been mentioned before but they try to pass it off like it's normal. It just makes no sense.

 

[iScream into the void]

Case and point, now that everyone has BAD examples to compare it to, Prime 3's initial perceived "faults" are anything but. You CAN have NPCs and not have them suck, Prime 3 did it. You CAN have dialogue and not have it suck, Prime 3 did it. You CAN have escort missions and not have them suck, Prime 3 did that.

At no point, in Prime 3, did I feel like I had to shut the NPCs up beyond just getting through the dialogue. Admittedly, I was slightly concerned for the Demo troopers, but only because they'd die not from lack of vigilance on my part, but from friendly fire, as I like to let hypermode go crazy and spam missiles.

 

[InconvenientNecessity]

"The game has negatives; but it's a ten!! Please buy it, guys!!!!"

"uhh its like a metrod prime gmae yall???"

Plus hundreds more.

 

[Berrakh]

Old news but why even have a backstory with Sylux at all? Give him a backstory about hating the federation but for Samus he should just hate her for interfering. That was good enough for Holmes and Moriarty. You can also… explore and develop a vendetta with Samus in the game rather than rely on NPCs for your narrative content. You can scan logbooks of his where his hatred for Miss Aran grows from just seeing her as an obstacle, to a rival, to an actual mental break where she’s now a symbol of everything he hates (like the opening of Kraven’s Last Hunt where a crazed Kraven seems to blame Spiderman for everything up to and including the October Revolution).

The problem with including Samus is, as our heroine, directly in a backstory is that she can’t do anything bad enough to Sylux to justify his actions against her. But the Federation is shady enough to provoke his wrath.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

I think I know the answer to this, but did Prime 4 even reference the other Prime games at all?? All the crap NPC dialogue I've heard doesn't have anything like that... These niggers could have been so good if they did that. Imagine if the sniper said something like, "You know Samus, my brother was stationed on Norion and saw you in action. He says you killed a space dragon and blew up a meteor... That's fucking incredible." Dude little things like that could have gone such a long way to endearing you to the troopers...

You could also get somber with it too. You could have Armstrong be the sister of Angseth from Prime 2 and be like, "Hey Samus... uh, I actually had a sister who served on the G.F.S. Tyr during the Aether incident... She was, always talking about you... If only she had the chance to meet you in person. She knew you weren't just a myth..."

That could have been so fucking good man... I bet you anything that old Retro would have done it like that. In fact I know they would have because Prime referenced Metroid 1, Prime 2 referenced Prime, and Prime 3 referenced shit like the above mentioned Aether incident. The devs at Retro knew where the games stood. It's so frustrating.

The problem with including Samus is, as our heroine, directly in a backstory is that she can’t do anything bad enough to Sylux to justify his actions against her.

They could have EASILY made GFed Sylux work and included Samus, just not in a way that was completely her fault. Have the setup be Samus TRIED to save Sylux's team during a very tense lose-lose scenario or something. This would require cutscenes throughout the game to establish Sylux's bond with his men AND would require making Sylux into a well-defined character. Somehow Sylux and his men find themselves in a lose-lose scenario, Samus gets called into action to help but the mission ends with Samus only being able to save Sylux, not his men. It would have to be done in a way where the audience completely understands that Samus did all that she could while at the same time they understand how Sylux feels. Perhaps Sylux begs for his men to be saved over himself, but Samus has to make a judgement call and he is ultimately the one who has to be saved for "the mission".

Samus completes her mission, but this devastates Sylux who is the lone survivor. Sylux as a character could then be further developed with survivor's guilt, hating himself for not being strong enough to save his own men, and hating Samus/the Federation for "getting his men killed". Sylux could make for a great conflicted villain in that regard. Anything would be better than what they did...

 

[iScream into the void]

I used to play a lot of Prime Hunters on my DS back in the day, Sylux's whole deal was just that he hated the Federation, and was capable enough to steal a Feddie prototype. Given that the Metroid setting exists as a vehicle for Samus to kill shit and get sick power-ups. All that we really needed to know was that he fucking hated the Feds, which Samus is generally friendly towards if we're operating off Prime established lore, and by extension he hates Samus because she works with and / or for the Federation on occasion. This should be enough for the player, it was for me, at the least.
Granted, I haven't played 4, but from what I've seen of other people's posts, and what I've heard about online, it sounds like Sylux's whole deal has been shamelessly rewritten to spin the whole slighted soldier into bitter rival bullshit. Which I find incredibly gay. Maybe I'm retarded (who am I kidding, I'm here after all), but I find the getting pissy and being spiteful enough to go about dedicating yourself to ruining someone's life over what sounds like an incredibly minor slight is incredibly Reddit brained.

Also, I just dusted off my 3DS to boot up Prime Hunters again, and fuck that intro still goes hard. A shame we'll never get a competent and not lame sequel to it.