Infected MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way

[Fuxuyxs]

Its pretty interesting. He bitches about corporate bullshit, moral panics and censorship without realizing that Japan has all of these problems but much worse.

Alot of weebs think of japan like some sort of apolitical paradise when that's far from the truth and it's concerning.

 

[OneEyedCool]

PA

We don't have to live like this.

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A Normal Country

Best kinds of comments under PeterSweden’s tweet are along the lines of “What a great example for the rest of us!” Exactly. The worst kinds of comments, and thankfully there were very few of those and I only saw them from European female posters: “I wish I could move to Poland.” Poland in the present moment is an example of a White Christian society that is free to be itself. This makes PeterSweden’s statement “feels like a normal country” mean more than it does on its face.

An anecdote from my most-recent visit there, which was three years ago. I was in the historic downtown of one of the smaller cities. My brother-in-law and I were at an outdoor table of a restaurant. Next to us were two men, maybe mid-twenties. They discussed something. One of them was passionate about the subject and the other was listening. For the first time ever in all of my visits to Poland, I felt that my SMV is behind the curve there. Age does its thing, of course, but that wasn’t it. Rather, after twenty years of my regular visits, I felt that… the young men there suddenly looked taller, better dressed, more intelligent, less awed by a shiny foreigner, more ready to give you that piercing look like they can make it hurt. They are healthy people who see the same global war on Whites that I do, encircling their country. The difference between me and them, is that I as a sort-of American represented a conquered people and they represented free men. What a difference that makes.

Poland had its 101st anniversary celebration of national independence today. I looked for a video from the Warsaw march to post today. I imagine that it will take a day or two for short, artistically edited, high-definition, narrated and subtitled videos to be uploaded to YouTube.

When searching in Polish by “marsz niepodległości 2019,” I mostly came across two- or three-hour-long reports from the march, or mainstream media discussion panels. Those aren’t blog-friendly format. I did watch YouTube Live from one of the news sources there during the march. A reporter among the participants in the march gave a street-level view. Being virtually embedded there as a viewer, from the vantage point of his cameraman, gave me a nice sense for what it was like in the march, among the participants. The turnout looked as massive as it’s been in recent years. The sky was overcast. It was cold, judging by people’s scarves and winter hats. Red-and-white flags everywhere like trees, the glow of familiar red flares all around.

The reporter raised my suspicion as to his motives. He approached people for short interviews. None of the people he walked up to were militant-looking or with aggressive banners. All were ordinary people, none carrying anything more than a Polish flag. He was evidently baiting them for “extremist” soundbites. No one that I saw took the bait. He asked a young couple, working class by appearance, what they thought about people who oppose their idea of Polish patriotism. The young man politely sidestepped that entire frame, simply saying that everyone marching today is a patriot, and that is a good thing.

The reporter then stopped to speak with a middle-aged couple that was standing among the spectators on the sidewalk. My translation of their short conversation:

REPORTER: How important is Independence Day to you?

WOMAN: [smiling] It’s the most important day after Christmas for us. That’s how I felt today

REPORTER: It’s clearly very important to you. But I’d also say that this day is not very important in every home. To put that delicately.

MAN: I must say that having traveled all over the world, having seen all kinds of countries, having come across all kinds of different people and all kinds of situations, I am happy to have my own country. I am happy to be a Pole. It’s a reason to be proud.

“Normal country.” Ordinary people in a normal country aren’t going to be defensive or get in your face. Nor will they hem-and-haw like a normie-cuckservative who watches his words lest a non-lie slips out. What they will do, is patiently and politely tell you the simple truth because they are not ashamed of anything.

Meanwhile, when searching in English for “poland independence day 2019,” I got a lot of unedited, low resolution videos. Along with many foreign media films with alarmist headlines about the “far-right” and “nationalists.” But I did find a short, watchable video that gives a good snap-impression of today’s Independence Day march in Warsaw:

Marsz Niepodległości 11 Listopada 2019

Marsz Niepodległości 11 Listopada 2019. Warszawa https://www.facebook.com/Truchol/ http://www.drakkadr.pl/

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The formerly-Communist countries of Eastern Europe are in a better position than their western brothers to raise alarms — and to defy — the communism of our day. This is why the world, Poland’s well-wishers as well as those with malice toward that country, watches Poles celebrating their national holiday with such attention.

The communism of our day. You should look up the Pitesti Prison in Romania. Communist henchmen between 1949 and 1951 tortured Christians there. The prisoners were priests and nuns, seminary students, as well as Romanian patriots who refused to renounce Jesus Christ. The tortures were obscenely sacrilegious. True to the nature of the ultimate enemy, who mocks God. He mocks the beautiful and the true. That is what Satan does and that is what the men and women who serve Satan do.

All of the West is in a death-struggle against that Enemy. Satan’s mockery of human dignity on the “free” side of the Iron Curtain became blatant right after WWII, with the teaching of West Germans and Americans to be ashamed of who they are. The forcible desegregation of neighborhoods and schools has wasted so much. Such mountains of lies and hypocrisy now tower over us. Then the humiliation of Rotherham, the interracial agitprop in advertising, ads that groom children into homosexuality. The demon-transsexuals and their access to children. A mockery of the very God-granted human spirit.

This is why Poland is so unusual to Western observers. It is a normal country in which men are masculine and women are feminine. PeterSweden’s flattering comment about Poles should be as banal as an observation that the people there have two arms and two legs each. Yet it’s a startling observation because proper masculinity and femininity are under attack. Under these circumstances, Poland is paradoxically an extraordinary normal country. And so be it. It’s Poland’s task and honor to show that it’s normal to worship God and dream of a White Europe of brotherly nations. That Communism can’t be accommodated, as the countries of Eastern Europe have learned. That the works of the devil must be renounced in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

A commentor on that blog said something about gays on this blog but in a different post:

Gays (male) too. Male homosexuals are tormented and they long for lights-out. It varies by individual, certainly, but it’s there at some level and it drives them in ways they might be unaware of. This is why they set off so viciously on Christian bakers who gently tell them that they can’t bake them a sacrilegious cake, and even offer to put them in touch with a baker who might. They don’t want the Christian’s brotherly love. They adore homicidal Muslims.

Another Christian pro-MSM blog. He has a daughter with a cute name.http://www.averagemarrieddad.com/2018/05/14/raising-a-woman/

My daughter Birdsnest is on the cusp of womanhood. She is as tall as my mom. The days of her playing with her American Girl dolls are nearly over (she has one friend and a younger neighbor girl who still oblige her). She’s just had her first period. My wife Holly and I are doing our best to raise her to be kind, have grit, think for herself, make good financial moves, and have a good moral compass before she enters this crazy world. Holly has a very important world in preparing her to be a woman, but as a father, our role is just as big. We’re the model for what a man, or in the meantime, boys should be like. That means we need to get your hands dirty and do stuff you don’t like. It means that we need to do masculine things and be able to manage not just our business, but that of our family. We’re doing something right. She’s a straight A student, doing many of the solos in jazz band concerts, and is working her way through the tae kwon do belt system when she’s not doing soccer. She already can cook dinner, and takes care of her own breakfast and lunch, does laundry, the dishes, and takes care of the dogs. She’s saved nearly $900 in a savings account (mostly from allowance or babysitting money) and has a single share of a couple of stocks (DIS, BRK-B) I showed her how to buy. She’s well on her way for a foundation when she leaves the nest. I’m a proud dad, but our work is never done.

Here are some things I am doing. Correlation isn’t causation, but perhaps you can gain some ideas or insights:

• Stay married. It is hard enough to raise a kid with two people, but with one you are leaving a lot on the table. Interactions and disagreements between adults in a healthy marriage are good teaching moments, as are the time we work together to problem solve and deal with the wrinkles of life and celebrate the wins. Staying married means being a strong man and leader. Same as being a good dad. The marriage stuff you can get from my book
  
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• Be the family leader. As dumb as this sounds, this starts by always driving the family car. It means cooking Sunday breakfast. It means taking care of the dirty work like buying and selling cars, mowing the lawn, killing spiders, and generally providing the calm rock to counteract the drama that comes from your wife. I’m the pitcher of tents, the grill master extraordinaire, and the leader of backyard campfires. My wife has very important skills and strengths as well, but everyone in my family knows who the key cog is to keep things steady.
  
  
• Be active and do masculine things. If all you do is sit on your ass and watch TV, you’re modeling a future lazy husband as being acceptable or normal, and a lazy husband is not often a good father and increases the chances of divorce. Masculine things are more exciting. Lift weights. Hunt. Train boxing. Shoot guns. Chop wood. Chop vegetables. Watch football. Listen to heavy metal or punk rock once in awhile. Do this in front of your kids and show them how to do it. My daughter is my football watching buddy when no one else but the dogs hang with us.
  
  
• Never stop learning. That may mean different things to different people, but as she evolves and learns, so must you. Read, listen to the news, understand the latest drug or craze so that you may best protect them but also to understand them. You are the reference point for the renaissance man, so you must be able to fix a bike tire or play chess, and teach them these skills or knowledge you have learned.
  
  
• Eat well, and exercise. I’d hate for my kids to trust in mass media for their dietary guidance. We are far from perfect, but we still lead by example of what are good decisions, and what aren’t. She’s seen that bread and white flour don’t agree with her complexion so is eating burgers without bread and helps cook healthy foods with us for dinner. We buy beef and pork directly from a local farmer, and my wife and kids raise a garden, everyone helping to chip in. She sees my wife and I running (the kids will often bike with us or to the destination where we meet them), me lifting or boxing, and she does a couple of organized sports herself.
  
  
• Don’t be afraid to show affection. The more love in this world the better. Yeah, love on them, but also smooch your wife and grab her ass, give your bros and dads man-hugs. We snuggle watching movies and she still is ok with her old man giving her bedtime kisses.
  
  
• Don’t be afraid to cuss. One of the funniest stories we like to share of young 4 year old Birdsnest is when she came upon a dog poop accident in our old house. She looks at it with hands on hips and says “Those fucking dogs!” After doing our best not to laugh, we said maybe we shouldn’t swear so much. However, now that they are older, we don’t really censor ourselves so much anymore. They are going to hear it, and a good swear by their dad carries some gravitas in a taboo way if you don’t overuse it. You can smile and give them a wink, and it feels like they are in on a little secret between just you two. It won’t be too long before they are jaded and the magic of swearing is gone, so enjoy this short time and don’t be afraid you’ll break their precious ears.
  
  
• Play. Play an instrument (I play guitar). Play with them when you can in any way you can (bonding happens in our house over backyard soccer, videogames, Dungeons and Dragons, board games). For spring break I took the kids to a wrist-band arcade (one entry fee and you can play all the arcade or pinball games you can handle) and we had a blast over 5 hours (Dance-Dance-Revolution was a favorite). I’m admittedly more serious, but we have fun, joke around, and all of us play with the dogs all the time. She’ll remember the hard things you help them with, but also the spontaneous dancing and fun things you did with them, or how you taught her how to throw a football or play soccer with them in the backyard.
  
  
• Be flexible. While I can often be a hard ass, I’m also flexible. I let them stay in bed with us once in awhile despite how much I don’t like it (but they and my wife love it). Flexibility is a great trait and changes routine to something special if you let it. From the Tao Te Ching:
  
  
  

• The living are soft and supple;
  the dead are rigid and stiff.
  In life, plants are flexible and tender;
  in death, they are brittle and dry.
  
  Stiffness is thus a companion of death;
  flexibility a companion of life.
  An army that cannot yield
  will be defeated.
  A tree that cannot bend
  will crack in the wind.
  
  The hard and stiff will be broken.
  The soft and supple will prevail.

  Love. Bottom line, this is the most important thing for raising a woman. Love and show them they are worthy of it. Daddy issues come from not getting the love or attention they crave. She looks up to you more than you or I (or even her) will realize.
  

Listen, none of us know what they hell we are doing as parents. We’re trying to balance all this life stuff, get promoted, have a fulfilling life. Raising a daughter is different than raising a boy, but many of the same principles apply. We’re about to journey the teenage years with her, and I’m sure I’ll have more stories as she figures out boys and jealous girls and feminism and values. Hopefully we’re doing all right, but time will tell I guess and I’ll keep playing by intuition and gut feel while doing what I do and trying to be a good and interesting man.

 

[Hanamura]

He has a daughter with a cute name.

>birdsnest

Giving your child a stupid name should be considered child abuse.

 

[OneEyedCool]

Here is a tangential related site. They are on the side of the masculists.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWives/

Red Pill Wives (RPW) is a place for like-minded women to discuss sexual strategy from an anti-feminist, traditionalist, and/or evolutionary psychology perspective. We also explore related subjects such as culture, current events, science, history, and philosophy! The community is for women of all ages who are married, or are interested in marriage.

r/BarefootandPregnant

r/BarefootandPregnant: Trad Wives, Knitting Patterns, Cooking, Religion, Parenting, Coupon Collecting Conservatives, family values, Sewing, Gossip …

www.reddit.com

Trad Wives, Knitting Patterns, Cooking, Religion, Parenting, Coupon Collecting Conservative Politics, Sewing, Gossip, Marriage Advice, Pregnancy Tests and so much more!

 

[Pina Colada]

MGTOW even has cartoons that spew the same circle jerking BS about modern women and dating. Get a load of this ear-splitting autism!

 

[OneEyedCool]

I'll randomly post some of bobx23456's blog posts here. Dates are posted at top so I won't have to post direct links to each Blogspot post.

Wednesday, January 23, 2008

Families, Fathers and daughters

Fathers are the people who have traditional and historic responsibility for raising daughters. Many fathers are confused these days. Most of today's fathers have been raised all their lives by feminist indoctrinated mothers, feminist schoolmarms, and feminist propaganda media. Most of today's fathers are confused on their goals for their daughters, are confused on what a good father ought to be doing for is daughter.

Last year Bob advised a young woman to eschew the false feminist program of “education” instead of marriage, and a man's business career instead of raising her family. Bob advised her to ask her father to help her find a good husband. Unfortunately for her, her father had been thoroughly indoctrinated by feminist dogma and he verbally abused his daughter for having the good sense to ask for his help to have a good life.

Many fathers today are confused and mislead about their role as fathers. Most fathers want to help their sons and daughters but have been told lies about the appropriate goals for a daughter. Young men grow up being fed the nonsense lies and propaganda of feminism, and most fathers believe what they've been told. Most fathers believe the feminist fiction that daughters need to be encouraged to waste the productive years of their life going to feminist dominated “schools” which are little more than warehouses for young adults. Most fathers now believe that their daughter is supposed to attend college or university, get her own apartment, pursue a man's traditional career, and become independent. It is the lies taught by feminists who oppose families and marriage. Bob is here to tell them the truth about a father's role in his daughter's life. Feminist lies hurt daughters as much as they hurt sons. Fathers need to oppose feminists and ignore their lies.

The first thing fathers need to know is that females have always been divided into two classes, the wife class and the whore class. The wife class of females has always been good and decent, partners for husbands, and mothers of good children. The whore class of females has always been the underclass, the camp followers, the entertainers, the sluts and one night fucks. The whore class has often been “educated” with men's reading, writing, music and other entertainment skills. They have been called courtesans and old maids. The whore class has worked in brothels and taught school. They fuck for money, or just for fun. Their children are bastards, raised by mothers without a father's love and guidance. Often the whores don't have any idea who the father of her bastard was. There are few fathers who want their daughters to become whores. Most fathers want their daughters to become good wives and good mothers.

The second thing fathers need to figure out is that the feminist life plan of “education,” independence, and a man's career is the whore's life plan, not the good wife's life plan. A father who encourages his daughter to “stay in school,” go to college, get a job, etc., is pushing his daughter into whoring and a whore's life. A good father encourages his daughter to become a good wife and mother, not a whore.

The good wife life plan begins when she passes through puberty and becomes a biologically adult woman. Usually that is about age 13 or 14, and has been that age for thousands of generations of women. Feminists lie. Biology doesn't lie. Your daughter's body is telling you she's ready to be a good wife and mother. Your daughter's body is that way because that is how women have lived for thousands of generations. Bodies don't lie. Compared to other mammals, age 14 is very old to begin bearing children. The females of most species start being mothers at age 3 or 4. Only human females wait another decade, until age 14 or so, to be biologically ready to be mothers. Fathers need to look and listen to their daughters, see that she's ready to be a woman, and disregard the feminist lies that are intended to destroy her family and turn her into a whore. A good father wants his daughter to become a good wife, to bear and raise good children, and to live a full, rich, wonderful life. A good father doesn't want his daughter to grow up and become another whore.

The next thing fathers need to understand is that while his daughter is ready to be a wife and mother during her teenage years, young men are not ready to be good husbands at the same age. The requirements for young fathers are quite different from those of young mothers. A husband needs to be educated and established in a career so he can support and protect his wife and family. A good husband needs more worldly knowledge and maturity than the biological ability that a mother needs. Over many ages and thousands of generations young women have married men who are older than they are, perhaps a decade older or even more. For all human history until the middle of the 20th (feminist) century, most females married men who were a decade older than they were. A typical female of 14 to 16 years of age would usually marry a man of age 25 to 30. Before feminist propaganda became “what everyone knows' that age difference was the standard life plan for wives. Young women have a built in biological ability to be attracted to older men. It is the life plan that promotes good marriages, good families, and the best life for a man's daughters. Today's feminists call it “criminal.”

Finally, a good father needs to remember that his responsibility as a father is to find a good husband for his daughter and turn responsibility for her over to the husband. Just as he accepted responsibility for his wife from her father, he needs to give his daughter to a good husband of her generation. In traditional marriage ceremonies the Priest asks “Who gives this woman to be married?” The traditional marriage transfers responsibility for the young woman from her father to her husband. The father gives her away at the marriage ceremony and after that is no longer responsible for her support. The father's goal has been achieved. His responsibility is over. His fatherly responsibility has passed to the next generation. That is the goal and responsibility of a good father. Unlike the feminist lies, the transfer of his daughter to a good husband allows his daughter to have full, rich, wonderful life as a wife and mother.

Unfortunately most fathers today have been taught to raise their daughters as whores instead of as wives. Fathers push their daughters to “stay in school” instead of to get married. Fathers encourage daughters to be “independent” as a feminist whore, to get a man's career instead of a husband. She ends up having her own apartment, fucking men she picks up at bars, doing sex in the city as a common whore. She thinks she will eventually find a husband at age 30 or so, and a few manage to leave the whore's life to go back to the wife's life, but even then most are not able to live as wives. The whore trained females go from man to man blaming him for their failures. But the serial husbands are not to blame. The feminists who prevented them from living the life of a good wife are to blame. The feminists who lied to mothers and fathers, who convinced young women to “stay in school” instead of getting married, who led them into a whore's life instead of a good wife's life are to blame. Millions of unhappy, lonely, broken women are the result of the failure of feminist lies. Today we have almost half of the children in the US born as bastards to whores. We have almost half the marriages failing because the feminist whore female has lost her ability to bond emotionally with one man. She treats sex like a commodity, and her cunt is always for sale to the next man. She became a trained whore instead of a good wife and mother. That is not the life that any father would want for his daughter.

There are always two classes of females, the wife class and the whore class. A good wife marries when she becomes biologically ready. She shares her cunt only with her husband and opens her womb to bear his children. She doesn't sell her cunt to many men for money and for fun. She doesn't eschew marriage during the years when she is able to form strong lifelong emotional bonds with a husband. She doesn't “stay in school” to learn the letters and poetry and courtesans skills of high class whores.

A good wife is a woman of value to the society. She is living her life creating a good future for the whole culture. She is a value and positive model for all women, and respected by all good men. She is a contrast to the whore class females. A whore has no value to the society other than to provide men with entertainment and as an overnight fuck. When a man's wife is raped it causes great harm to the man. His exclusive use of his wife's cunt is broken, and the hot fucking time she has with another man remains as a permanent risk for his marriage. Likewise when a man's unmarried daughter is raped she becomes less valuable to other men as a future wife, and the man will have a harder time finding as good a husband for her. In Biblical law a man who rapes another man's daughter must pay her father a fine, and perhaps marry the daughter. It alloted the cost to the father and provided for a daughter who had become less marketable as a wife. Biblical law does not provide a penalty for a man who rapes a whore, because no harm is given to any other man. She may likely enjoy the fucking she gets, and even if not enjoyed another slice off a cut cake causes no harm. Rape of an unmarried and eligible daughter is a property crime against her father, but rape of a whore no crime worse than failure to pay for commercial service. Even if a whore is killed it is no loss to the society, no family has been damaged. A whore has no value for the future of the society, and another dead whore is no loss.

When a man's wife files for divorce and goes whoring there is little he can do under a feminist dominated government. Feminists enacted “no fault” divorce laws half a century ago as part of their campaign to destroy marriage and families. Feminism is led by lesbian men hating bitches and whores. They hate good wives and good families as much as they hate men. When a feminist female destroys her family under feminist “no fault” divorce on a whim laws, she is given “custody” of her husband's children. The divorced ex-wife is now a single female with no husband, she is immediately transformed from a wife to a whore. She has given up the life of a good wife and chosen the life of a whore. The chances are she was already living as a whore, fucking other men behind her husband's back. Leaving her husband only makes her identity as a whore official. Its the chosen feminist life.

The feminists claim that a female can “have it all” if she eschews a good life as a mother and wife. They are wrong. Millions of old lonely females will never have the babies and family they put off and put off for the false feminist dream. Even with the services of the hugely expensive fertility clinics that are now a big industry, millions of females are just too late. The irony is that females can have it all but only if they work with mother nature, not against their bodies. A female who marries and bears her children during her biological baby making years will have her children grown and married off before she is 40. She will then have several decades to go to college, get a PhD, and have that life she was promised by the feminists. She can have it all, but only if she is a good wife and not a feminist whore.

When a wife leaves her husband to be a whore, under feminist law she also takes her ex-husband's children. A man's daughter is taken from him by the feminist state. She no longer is his daughter to be given in marriage to a good husband. When the state takes a man's daughter she is forced into a whore's life with her whore mother. The feminists have won, they have claimed another girl for the whores life in the sisterhood of feminist whores. There have always been two classes of women. Today there are few good wives and many whores. Instead of marriage the daughter will sell her cunt for a good time at a party or after school. She may be raped and it is no crime because her cunt has become public. Feminism and her feminist whore mother have destroyed her. The father's responsibility no longer exists. His daughter is gone along with the responsibly he once had for his wife.

The feminists who oppose families and marriage are winning our daughters. They demand that daughters be prevented from becoming good wives. Finding a good husband for an eligible daughter is now illegal in most parts of the US. Feminist laws force fathers to wait until the daughter has been indoctrinated and turned into a whore before she is allowed even to try to find her a husband. They make men of eligible age into criminals for meeting and marrying eligible women. Then they pretend that marriage is unsuitable for young women because the young men they were allowed to marry were not old enough and responsible enough to be good husbands. The whole feminist system is very badly messed up.

A father of a daughter needs to remember the responsibility of a father, and to fight against all opposition who would destroy his daughter or turn her into another whore. A good father needs to fight any whore wife who files for divorce and tries to take his daughter from her father. A dead cunt never gets custody, and a dead whore is no loss to anyone. Fathers must resume their responsibility to help daughters find good husbands who will take over responsibility for the young woman during her biological baby making years. Unlike the father of the young woman mentioned above, fathers need to help their daughters find a good life as a good wife, and help them to avoid the feminist whore life that is promoted by the feminist dominated culture. Remember there are two classes of women. Which class would a father want for his daughter? Probably not the life of a whore. What life do you want for your daughter?

Comments in response to this post:

Anonymous said...​

My oldest daughter just began her fifth semester in medical school, where she's planning a career as an orthopaedic surgeon. She's so far managed to maintain a 4.0 GPA, so needless to say my wife and I are thrilled and proud. She's a great example to our other children--we've always tried to teach them that their dreams are in reach, if they're willing to put in the hard work to achieve them.​

It may interest you to know that her classes are consistently majority-female, not overwhelmingly so, but still more young women than young men are enrolled. It'll make it more difficult for these up-and-coming female doctors to find good husbands, but they can always look to other professions for intelligent, deducated men.​

January 23, 2008 11:42 AM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous;​

I am sorry for you and your daughter. She has turned her back on the meaning of life, children and families. I am sorry that your daughter has not provided you with grandchildren and her life is a waste. I've known so many "sucessful" women who cry every night for the children they can never have now. I am sorry for her that she has been encouraged to give up her children for a false feminist god.​

January 23, 2008 1:07 PM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous (January 23, 2008 6:36 PM)​

From dictionary.com bas·tard ==> –noun 1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.​

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The last census data I saw said that some US states now have more bastards than legitimate children. The other states are close behind.​

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Anonymous said...​

"To the man whose daughter is in medical school, how fortunate he is to have such a daughter! Her intellectual fulfillment, her career goals are tremendously valuable to her and to society. Women like her make the best wives and mothers (if they CHOOSE to marry)."​

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They make terrible wives. They do not obey their husband. People who believe as you do should be genocided for the good of Men and mankind.​

January 23, 2008 8:07 PM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 24, 2008 4:32 PM)​

You may be as ignorant and stupid as you like, nobody is stopping you. What Bob is suggesting is an end to forcing young women into failed lives based on your stupidity and feminazi indoctrination. Millions of bastard children and ruined families deserve better.​

January 24, 2008 4:37 PM​

Anonymous said...​

Bob/ Mikee, have you considered what would happen to that girl if she married, bore 3 children, and suddenly became a widow at 16?​

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Another potential husband will not want her since it means adopting another guy's kids. Back home she goes to mom and dad. Those poor pouls must now forego retirement to help raise babies, while their teen daughter is out rollerskating.​

January 24, 2008 4:38 PM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 24, 2008 4:38 PM)​

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A miniscule number of teenage widows would be almost insignificant compared to the millions of bastard whore kids and divorce kids we see today. A widow is at least respectable and may find another good husband with the help of her father. Her life will be much better than the millions of today’s single mother whores and divorce whores. Her children will be better off than the children of whores.​

January 24, 2008 5:02 PM​

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Anonymous said...​

“As for "men's careers", that's nonsense. With a few exceptions, careers are for PEOPLE who want them, with no gender or race restrictions.”​

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This statement is simply not true. The work force is for the most part masculine in nature!​

Big Brother had to come in and impose massive regulations that forced men to not have to think, act, or talk the way men would normally so that women could even enter the work force, because as it was, women would not have been able to handle it. Even after all of this Government intrusion, sexual harassment lawsuits that cost employers billions of dollars illustrate that women still cannot handle being in the work force! ​

When Feminists encourage women to compete against men in male oriented fields such as engineering, science, medicine, law, ect, they are damaging them in way that will never allow them to be able to have a lasting relationship with man, they simply have to become too much like a man to compete in such fields!​

January 25, 2008 7:45 AM ​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 25, 2008 7:45 AM)​

You make some good points. Many females have been fed a life plan of feminist nonsense. They believe in all the feminist dogma and can not admit that they have wasted their lives on dead end careers. They can't stand men who tell the truth about their whoring and bastards, about their serial sham marriages and phony relationships. The feminist plan hurts everyone in the whole society.​

January 25, 2008 11:33 AM​

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Anonymous said...​

Anonymous January 23, 2008 11:42 AM. You seem to think it is important that more women then men are "enrolled" in medical school. You are not very well informed.​

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NO ONE ENROLLS IN MEDICAL SCHOOL.​

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People apply, and the staff selects those they want to study. Period.​

There are not more women in med school because more women apply, nor because women are more qualified. There are more women in med school because the staff deliberately selected more women. Sorry you don't have a clue.​

Also, over half the females who become doctors cease full-time practice within a few years. They don't even have time to pay the tax payers back the large amount of money they borrowed for their great feminist experiment. So, why do they drop out? TO HAVE BABIES!!!!!! Just like Bob says they really want.​

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Note that this mean half of women who go to medical school do not have bags of money.​

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They are also more likely to work less hours. Female doctors are not a major contribution to American medical care.​

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My son is in med school. Several women already married other med students. Those idiot men don't seem to realize they are going to be paying off their own loans, and hers as well.​

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And, there are a couple whores who are already unwed mothers, in the class.​

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The comment on women being slaves. You are talking to an unsympathetic group here. Modern child support rules make millions of men into slaves, so we really don't mind of a few women become slaves as well. It's called equality. I am referring to men ordered to pay amounts of money greater then their income. Men ordered to pay support when DNA shows they are not the father. Men ordered to pay support to women they never met, because the c/s agency sent a no-receipt letter to a former address, then decreed he had defaulted, and there is no way to get out of it, even if he was not the man she meant.​

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So, whining from women or manginas about women being slaves is MUSIC TO OUR EARS.​

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Anonymous age 65​

January 25, 2008 8:32 PM​

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Anonymous said...​

"I'd never marry a woman who didn't have at least a high school education. What kind of conversations could you have over the dinner table with someone so uneducated?"​

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Probably something like 'hello sweetie...' etc​

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Marraige etc is not about mental masterbation.​

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--MikeeUSA--​

Death To women's Rights.​

Viva Men's Liberties.​

January 25, 2008 9:55 PM​

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Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 26, 2008 5:27 PM)​

Your revisionist history does not turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. Feminism had everything to do with the rise to power of the German National Socialist Labor Party. It was opposed by almost all men in Germany for obvious reasons, but the emotional appeals to new female, feminist voters swept the Nazis to power.​

Today's feminists still use the same evil propaganda, lies, and socialist promises, and emotional appeals, and still create destruction on the culture.​

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Feminism is not humanism. That lie doesn't hold water either.​

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Fascism is in fact socialism that didn't quite reach the communism of Stalinist Russia. Today's socialist liberal feminists are as fascist as any fascist in history. Socialist/fascist government domination is quite the hallmark of feminism. Always has been. Still is.​

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Feminist fascists are quite the opposite of Bob and men who work for civil rights and the protection of children and families.​

January 26, 2008 5:43 PM​

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Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 27, 2008 4:15 PM)​

You obviously have very limited mental capacity, no understanding of political theory, very limited reading ability, and are driven by misandry rather than reason. We expect that from a fat feminiazi cunt.​

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“Fascism” is a political theory characterized by socialism and government control slightly less severe than Stalinist communism. The term was coined in the early 20th century by the communists to characterize those socialist regimes which didn’t toe the Stalinist line. Feminism and female police state government domination is fascist. Bob’s advocacy of freedom and independence of men is the opposite of fascism.​

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Your mischaracterization of Bob’s positions demonstrates your lack of reading and comprehension, and your motivation driven by anti-men hatred and bigotry (misandry). The time of your propaganda lies is over. Fat sows like you don’t cut the muster any more. Pound sand.​

January 27, 2008 5:36 PM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 27, 2008 6:02 PM)​

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Fascist Hitler and the rise to power of the National Socialist Labor Party (Nazis) was the first great victory for female suffrage.​

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Females think with their ovaries, not with their brains. Feminism hasn't changed a whit since feminists voted Hitler into power.​

January 27, 2008 6:18 PM​

 

[Maya]

I'll randomly post some of bobx23456's blog posts here. Dates are posted at top so I won't have to post direct links to each Blogspot post.


Comments in response to this post:

Anonymous said...​

My oldest daughter just began her fifth semester in medical school, where she's planning a career as an orthopaedic surgeon. She's so far managed to maintain a 4.0 GPA, so needless to say my wife and I are thrilled and proud. She's a great example to our other children--we've always tried to teach them that their dreams are in reach, if they're willing to put in the hard work to achieve them.​

It may interest you to know that her classes are consistently majority-female, not overwhelmingly so, but still more young women than young men are enrolled. It'll make it more difficult for these up-and-coming female doctors to find good husbands, but they can always look to other professions for intelligent, deducated men.​

January 23, 2008 11:42 AM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous;​

I am sorry for you and your daughter. She has turned her back on the meaning of life, children and families. I am sorry that your daughter has not provided you with grandchildren and her life is a waste. I've known so many "sucessful" women who cry every night for the children they can never have now. I am sorry for her that she has been encouraged to give up her children for a false feminist god.​

January 23, 2008 1:07 PM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous (January 23, 2008 6:36 PM)​

From dictionary.com bas·tard ==> –noun 1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.​

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The last census data I saw said that some US states now have more bastards than legitimate children. The other states are close behind.​

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Anonymous said...​

"To the man whose daughter is in medical school, how fortunate he is to have such a daughter! Her intellectual fulfillment, her career goals are tremendously valuable to her and to society. Women like her make the best wives and mothers (if they CHOOSE to marry)."​

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They make terrible wives. They do not obey their husband. People who believe as you do should be genocided for the good of Men and mankind.​

January 23, 2008 8:07 PM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 24, 2008 4:32 PM)​

You may be as ignorant and stupid as you like, nobody is stopping you. What Bob is suggesting is an end to forcing young women into failed lives based on your stupidity and feminazi indoctrination. Millions of bastard children and ruined families deserve better.​

January 24, 2008 4:37 PM​

Anonymous said...​

Bob/ Mikee, have you considered what would happen to that girl if she married, bore 3 children, and suddenly became a widow at 16?​

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Another potential husband will not want her since it means adopting another guy's kids. Back home she goes to mom and dad. Those poor pouls must now forego retirement to help raise babies, while their teen daughter is out rollerskating.​

January 24, 2008 4:38 PM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 24, 2008 4:38 PM)​

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A miniscule number of teenage widows would be almost insignificant compared to the millions of bastard whore kids and divorce kids we see today. A widow is at least respectable and may find another good husband with the help of her father. Her life will be much better than the millions of today’s single mother whores and divorce whores. Her children will be better off than the children of whores.​

January 24, 2008 5:02 PM​

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Anonymous said...​

“As for "men's careers", that's nonsense. With a few exceptions, careers are for PEOPLE who want them, with no gender or race restrictions.”​

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This statement is simply not true. The work force is for the most part masculine in nature!​

Big Brother had to come in and impose massive regulations that forced men to not have to think, act, or talk the way men would normally so that women could even enter the work force, because as it was, women would not have been able to handle it. Even after all of this Government intrusion, sexual harassment lawsuits that cost employers billions of dollars illustrate that women still cannot handle being in the work force! ​

When Feminists encourage women to compete against men in male oriented fields such as engineering, science, medicine, law, ect, they are damaging them in way that will never allow them to be able to have a lasting relationship with man, they simply have to become too much like a man to compete in such fields!​

January 25, 2008 7:45 AM ​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 25, 2008 7:45 AM)​

You make some good points. Many females have been fed a life plan of feminist nonsense. They believe in all the feminist dogma and can not admit that they have wasted their lives on dead end careers. They can't stand men who tell the truth about their whoring and bastards, about their serial sham marriages and phony relationships. The feminist plan hurts everyone in the whole society.​

January 25, 2008 11:33 AM​

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Anonymous said...​

Anonymous January 23, 2008 11:42 AM. You seem to think it is important that more women then men are "enrolled" in medical school. You are not very well informed.​

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NO ONE ENROLLS IN MEDICAL SCHOOL.​

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People apply, and the staff selects those they want to study. Period.​

There are not more women in med school because more women apply, nor because women are more qualified. There are more women in med school because the staff deliberately selected more women. Sorry you don't have a clue.​

Also, over half the females who become doctors cease full-time practice within a few years. They don't even have time to pay the tax payers back the large amount of money they borrowed for their great feminist experiment. So, why do they drop out? TO HAVE BABIES!!!!!! Just like Bob says they really want.​

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Note that this mean half of women who go to medical school do not have bags of money.​

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They are also more likely to work less hours. Female doctors are not a major contribution to American medical care.​

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My son is in med school. Several women already married other med students. Those idiot men don't seem to realize they are going to be paying off their own loans, and hers as well.​

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And, there are a couple whores who are already unwed mothers, in the class.​

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The comment on women being slaves. You are talking to an unsympathetic group here. Modern child support rules make millions of men into slaves, so we really don't mind of a few women become slaves as well. It's called equality. I am referring to men ordered to pay amounts of money greater then their income. Men ordered to pay support when DNA shows they are not the father. Men ordered to pay support to women they never met, because the c/s agency sent a no-receipt letter to a former address, then decreed he had defaulted, and there is no way to get out of it, even if he was not the man she meant.​

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So, whining from women or manginas about women being slaves is MUSIC TO OUR EARS.​

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Anonymous age 65​

January 25, 2008 8:32 PM​

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Anonymous said...​

"I'd never marry a woman who didn't have at least a high school education. What kind of conversations could you have over the dinner table with someone so uneducated?"​

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Probably something like 'hello sweetie...' etc​

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Marraige etc is not about mental masterbation.​

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--MikeeUSA--​

Death To women's Rights.​

Viva Men's Liberties.​

January 25, 2008 9:55 PM​

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Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 26, 2008 5:27 PM)​

Your revisionist history does not turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. Feminism had everything to do with the rise to power of the German National Socialist Labor Party. It was opposed by almost all men in Germany for obvious reasons, but the emotional appeals to new female, feminist voters swept the Nazis to power.​

Today's feminists still use the same evil propaganda, lies, and socialist promises, and emotional appeals, and still create destruction on the culture.​

​

Feminism is not humanism. That lie doesn't hold water either.​

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Fascism is in fact socialism that didn't quite reach the communism of Stalinist Russia. Today's socialist liberal feminists are as fascist as any fascist in history. Socialist/fascist government domination is quite the hallmark of feminism. Always has been. Still is.​

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Feminist fascists are quite the opposite of Bob and men who work for civil rights and the protection of children and families.​

January 26, 2008 5:43 PM​

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Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 27, 2008 4:15 PM)​

You obviously have very limited mental capacity, no understanding of political theory, very limited reading ability, and are driven by misandry rather than reason. We expect that from a fat feminiazi cunt.​

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“Fascism” is a political theory characterized by socialism and government control slightly less severe than Stalinist communism. The term was coined in the early 20th century by the communists to characterize those socialist regimes which didn’t toe the Stalinist line. Feminism and female police state government domination is fascist. Bob’s advocacy of freedom and independence of men is the opposite of fascism.​

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Your mischaracterization of Bob’s positions demonstrates your lack of reading and comprehension, and your motivation driven by anti-men hatred and bigotry (misandry). The time of your propaganda lies is over. Fat sows like you don’t cut the muster any more. Pound sand.​

January 27, 2008 5:36 PM​

Bob said...​

Note to anonymous: (January 27, 2008 6:02 PM)​

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Fascist Hitler and the rise to power of the National Socialist Labor Party (Nazis) was the first great victory for female suffrage.​

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Females think with their ovaries, not with their brains. Feminism hasn't changed a whit since feminists voted Hitler into power.​

January 27, 2008 6:18 PM​

Yeah because self determination is feminist dogma, apparently. I’m starting to think this Bob guy is a troll. And I think these people believe when it comes to women, having a family and having a career are two totally different things. You can’t have both, apparently.

 

[redcent]

Are you kidding? A man can't marry a career woman! Any form of financial independence and he'll walk away in disgust! A woman must be obedient and subservient or the poor delicate flower prince macho manly man would barf at the mere thought of having brutal hate-sex making love to a bizarre creature with a will of it's own

She needs to be unemployed and dependant on these wonderful examples of NEETs living in poverty rich working man so when she dares have wants and needs of her own like any normal human being does the man can slap her and call her a gold digging whore. And please excuse the guys while they spend yet more money on their animu porn.

Those career witches need to be kept single and grow old into cat ladies as they deserve for neglecting their place. They will grow old and obviously die jealous of these fictional underage anime characters and all the abuse they go through, and they will never have children. But the MGTOWs, any day now, they'll have their promised artificial wombs where they will get their promised ego extensions proud sons who are spitting images of their old man. Any day now. Any day....

tl;dr spare me

 

[OneEyedCool]

I can't imagine Hitler and Gloria Steinem in bed together. I guess that is only possible in Bob's head.

 

[Based Papa John]

Are you kidding? A man can't marry a career woman! Any form of financial independence and he'll walk away in disgust! A woman must be obedient and subservient or the poor delicate flower prince macho manly man would barf at the mere thought of having brutal hate-sex making love to a bizarre creature with a will of it's own

She needs to be unemployed and dependant on these wonderful examples of NEETs living in poverty rich working man so when she dares have wants and needs of her own like any normal human being does the man can slap her and call her a gold digging whore. And please excuse the guys while they spend yet more money on their animu porn.

Those career witches need to be kept single and grow old into cat ladies as they deserve for neglecting their place. They will grow old and obviously die jealous of these fictional underage anime characters and all the abuse they go through, and they will never have children. But the MGTOWs, any day now, they'll have their promised artificial wombs where they will get their promised ego extensions proud sons who are spitting images of their old man. Any day now. Any day....

tl;dr spare me

Independent women: Feminists and sluts.
Housewives/SAHMs: Gold diggers and sluts.
Breathing female: slut.

Why are those that are obsessed with "chaddery" and machismo are always the ones that are as far distant from those two concepts as possible?

 

[Roccosmoderndeath1]

Why are those that are obsessed with "chaddery" and machismo are always the ones that are as far distant from those two concepts as possible?

That's the core of MGTOW though isn't it? They can't accept that their lack of appeal is why they aren't getting laid, so they either need to find a way to blame women or artificially raise their own standards to a point that no woman could meet them.

 

[Maya]

Besides thinking that women use copulins to control men’s minds, what’s the dumbest thing Sandman has said?

 

[Alpacawitz]

I've never understood the leaps of logic that one has to take in order to blame women for their problems. I'd be interested in seeing what their backgrounds are to see if there are some similarities. Probably all half-educated butt hurt millennials who can't get laid and don't want to improve themselves to change that.

 

[snailslime]

Women

 

[A Logging Company]

I find MGTOWs an interesting group. On one hand, I can see where they are coming from on a decent amount of points. I have seen fathers unjustly ruined in divorce courts, women smacking the fuck out of men and no one bats an eye, guys getting #MeTooed with nothing to base anything on besides some really sketchy accusations, boys getting their troubles about body image issues ignored, stuff like that. You want to bring that stuff up? Fine, we can discuss all that like rational adults and see where that leads. But then they just get dumb.
Weird math and science to prove women are thots, explaining how women do not care about anything other than themselves, a lot about hypergamy, now they're losing me. Calm down, have some dip. Thottery is not the cause of all problems on Earth, there's more to life than that.

When you push things to the fringe, they only develop more fringe characteristics, even if they were reasonable to begin with. "We shouldn't be so rough on white people. Racist injustice of the past is not the fault of white men living today" becomes "Hitler was a hero who fought against the enteral Sematic menace."

 

[KittyGremlin]

Besides thinking that women use copulins to control men’s minds, what’s the dumbest thing Sandman has said?

That would require at least a top 50

 

[missmercury616]

Independent women: Feminists and sluts.
Housewives/SAHMs: Gold diggers and sluts.
Breathing female: slut.

Why are those that are obsessed with "chaddery" and machismo are always the ones that are as far distant from those two concepts as possible?

Reminds me of "if she breathes, she's a thot".

Check out this video. I love how he uses classical music to appear refined and sophisticated.

 

[Based Papa John]

Besides thinking that women use copulins to control men’s minds, what’s the dumbest thing Sandman has said?

Women control men who think with their other head.

 

[OneEyedCool]

I've never understood the leaps of logic that one has to take in order to blame women for their problems. I'd be interested in seeing what their backgrounds are to see if there are some similarities. Probably all half-educated butt hurt millennials who can't get laid and don't want to improve themselves to change that.

Not Generation Y. The majority of the MRA voices are of Gen X. The Yers actually have much less hate flowing in-and-out of their mouths. Reading the blogs and forums I got the Xer feel of it from the kinds of words they use and in how they present their stories.

 

[OneEyedCool]

I've been meaning to get back to the sites by the new movement of Christian MRAs. I want to start with this specific one, https://biblicalgenderroles.com/ Here is his Intro section. I'll start with this exceprt first because this one particular groups is very popular here on KF.

Incels

Despite the entire Manosphere being labeled as “misogynists” by the humanist and leftist media the Incels are really the only true misogynists in the Manosphere. These men truly hate women and many of them even advocate for raping women because they can’t seem to get women any other way. There is really some scary things from these guys online and they do give the rest of the Manosphere a bad name. Although every group has its radical factions I suppose and in this case for the Manosphere it would be the incels.

The group this blog belongs to has a title.

Biblical Patriarchists

Biblical Patriarchists are men who believe that God has ordained men to be over women in the family, the church and society at large. There are several Bible passages upon which Biblical Patriarchists base their beliefs. Some of those are as follows:

“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)

“ For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.”

1 Corinthians 11:7-10 (KJV)

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.”

1 Timothy 2:12-13 (KJV)

“For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.”

Ephesians 5:23-24 (KJV)

“If a woman also vow a vow unto the Lord, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father’s house in her youth; And her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her; then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand. But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the Lord shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her.”

Numbers 30:3-5 (KJV)

“Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.“

Colossians 3:20 (KJV)



God created man to image him and thereby bring him glory. This means man was created to live out God’s attributes. This is why God is always referred to in the Bible using masculine titles like father, son, husband, king and prophet. God created woman and by extension marriage to help man fully image him as a husband and father.

In order for woman to be a suitable companion for man, she had to share a common human nature with him. It is in this way, in their common human attributes, that men and women both reflect the image of God. But God’s attributes and his image are more than just human, they are also masculine.

In other words, the masculine human nature is a closer representation of God’s nature than the feminine human nature.

God created marriage to be a picture of the relationship of himself to his people. Marriage helps represent God’s relationship to mankind in two different ways. The husband and wife relationship represents the relationship of God with his people collectively. The father and child relationship represents God’s relationship with us as individuals.

Men demonstrate God’s masculine nature in their loving leadership, provision and protection for their wives and children.

The Biblical Patriarchist’s view of the order of society is simple.


The head of man is God.

The head of woman is man.

The head children is first the father, then the mother who must follow the father’s directions for the children.


Beyond the family, Biblical Patriarchists do not believe women should be preachers or pastors or even teachers over men. Biblical Patriarchists also believe that women should not hold any positions of political or business authority over men.

Biblical Patriarchists believe the woman’s place is in the home, bearing children, caring for those children and caring for the domestic needs of the home as the Scriptures state below:


“I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.“

1 Timothy 5:14 (KJV)

“That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.”

Titus 2:4-5 (KJV)


Biblical Patriarchists believe that even as adults, while their children are in their home they are under their father’s authority. This authority is especially seen in the father’s right of refusal for his daughter to marry a man and his ability to cancel out commitments she has made without his express approval.

I've only heard of Biblical Patriarchists just this year, but I did quit reading MRA sites in 2014 until this year. Nowhere before that time did I ever see or hear an explosion much less a slow growth formation of something unimaginably possible like this in the 2000s era. It now has a blogroll of more than 15 listings. Everybody I was reading back in 2010 on forums was very loudly atheist but they did respect the Christian gender roles of the past without acknowledging about Jesus.


The blog authors full statement ( edited out previously shown excerpts)

What Is The Manosphere?

The Manosphere is comprised of several groups that share one thing in common. They all believe the rights of men in America and other western countries have been infringed upon for at least several decades and others for more than a century. Also, the vast majority of Manosphere groups believe that feminism is a problematic ideology that is eating away at the core of society and destroying Western civilization.

Where these groups begin to separate from one another is on two main issues.

The first issue which separates manosphere groups is how far back was feminism wrong? Was it from its very origins in the mid-19th century when women’s groups fought for more rights for in divorce and property rights for women? Was it when women were granted the right to vote in 1920? Or was it just from the advent of second wave feminism in the 1960s where feminism dropped the equivalent of a societal nuclear bomb on traditional gender roles and sexual morality and it became a misandrist movement that openly declared war on men?

The second issue which separates manosphere groups is how men should react to the damage feminism has caused to men’s rights, sexual norms, traditional gender roles, marriage and the family. And opinions on what the solutions should be are very much impacted by the group’s view on the origins of the problem.

For instance, if a group does not view equal rights for women, including the ability of women to vote and to be economically independent of men as a foundational part of the problem they will have very different solutions to the assault on men’s rights than other groups. Another way of putting this is that some manosphere groups are only fighting for equal rights for men with women, not less rights for women.


MRAs – Men’s Rights Activists

Many MRA groups in the manosphere believe they just need to just get the societal pendulum to the center. These groups are actually big supporters of first and even second wave feminism and all the new rights these movements granted women. They believe society was unjustly biased to support male privilege and patriarchy over women before feminism came along to correct this injustice. In their view, feminism just went too far and they want to re-balance the rights between men and women and have the courts deal equally with both men and women.


Jesse Powell’s Secular Patriarchy or Traditional Family Activism

Other manosphere groups believe that feminism was flawed from its very inception and that American and Western society made a grave error in granting women economic, social and political independence from men. In their view, tearing down the system of patriarchy which was the norm throughout human history was a colossal mistake.

Even among the manosphere groups that believe feminism was flawed since its very inception in the mid-19th century, there is much diversity of opinion. Some of these groups come from a secular perspective and others come from a religious perspective.

For instance, there are atheists like Jesse Powell who are believe in and teach “secular patriarchy” and consider themselves “TFAs” or Traditional Family Activists. Jesse Powell argues that evolution shows that men are meant to lead, provide for and protect women and that the feminist revolution of the mid-19th century went against this and was doomed to failure because of the unique evolutionary design of men and women.

Mr. Powell not only decries the damage caused by feminism to Western world, but he also offers what he believes is a solution to the problem:

“What society needs instead is for men to assert themselves as men and return to their roles as the guardians, protectors, and foundation of support for women so that women will be once again freed from the concerns and burdens of the man and instead be enabled to focus on giving to others of their femininity and their unique and particular strengths as women. The feminine contribution to the family and to society must be resurrected, must be revitalized, must be held up as a fundamental priority and concern of men once again.

Under coverture women’s role as women was upheld in both culture and law. The beginning of the feminist revolution can be dated back to the initial reforms that worked to undo the principles of coverture; namely the Custody of Infants Act of 1839 and the Married Women’s Property Act of 1870. TFAs wish to repeal the feminist revolution in its entirety and return to a period of stable and healthy relations between the sexes such as existed in the era of coverture.”

So, in his view the answer to fighting the damage feminism has caused to the family unit and Western civilization is to go back to the very beginnings of feminism in the mid-19th century and remove it at is very roots. That means removing women’s right to vote, property rights and child custody rights in divorce. This would force women’s complete dependence on men as had it been for this history of mankind throughout the world.


Rollo Tomassi’s “The Red Pill” or TRP

Other secularists like Rollo Tomassi at RationalMale.com take a different approach. He does not oppose women’s right to vote, property rights for women or even their right to abortion, but he does think that the ideology of feminism is at odds with human evolution and he does not buy into the false blank slate theory that all of our behavior comes from our environment. He rejects the crazy idea that you can educate away basic male and female behavioral traits.

Rollo Tomassi has made a career of his own take on “The Red Pill” which uses the 1999 movie “Matrix” to illustrate how men need to be awakened to what is actually happening around them. In the Matrix movie the mentor character Morpheus offers Neo, the main Protagonist a choice between a red pill and a blue pill. If he takes the red pill, he will be awakened to the false reality he has been living in and shown what the world actually looks like. If he takes the blue pill, he can go back to the fantasy world he has been living in his whole life. But if he does stay in that world, he will continue to be what he has been since his birth, a slave to the Matrix system. He can only be free by taking the red pill and waking up to the harsh real world around him. It will be a harder world, and he will have to fight against the system he used to serve as a slave, but he would be free.

I actually love the Matrix Trilogy and own them all on Blu Ray. I watch them a couple times a year with my sons. I think there are many life lessons that can be learned from them and I actually think the red pill/blue pill is an excellent analogy to how we are brought up in our culture to view our world. I would even use the red pill/blue pill analogy to teach people that there is a spiritual world that is beyond this physical world that we can see and touch.

But unlike Jesse Powell, Rollo Tomassi does not see the answer to the problem of “feminine primacy” in Western culture as a need to completely rollback all gains of feminism since the mid-19th century. Mr. Tomassi is not really looking at long term political solutions to the problem of feminism, but rather he is more interested in helping men to “game” the current feminine dominated culture to fulfill their “masculine imperative”. The masculine imperative in his view is for a man to have sex with as many women as possible. In essence, men are programmed to be polygamous, or most specifically polygynous. Women on the other hand are hypergamous by nature, meaning they seek the best man with which to mate based on his genetics and his ability to provide for and protect them. This is why women are most naturally attracted to muscular, good looking men who have a lot of money.

One of the most important concepts Mr. Tomassi teaches men in their efforts to “game women” is the “Cardinal Rule of Relationships: In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least”. By this he teaches men that the more they act like they need a woman, especially for sex, the more power she takes in the relationship and ultimately the less attractive he becomes to her.

And no introduction to the Red Pill ideology would be complete without the mention of alpha men, beta men and the concept of “Frame”. In his book “The Rational Male — Positive Masculinity” Tomassi writes:

“The sexual alphaness of a male towards a female is exhibited by her wanting to please him, and the sexual betaness of a male is exhibited by him needing to please her.”

And on the subject of “Frame” Tomassi wrote the following in his article on RationalMale.com entitled “Hypergamy Knows Best”:

“One of the most basic Red Pill principles I’ve stressed since I began writing is the importance of Frame. The dynamic of Frame stretches into many aspects of a man’s life, but in a strictly intergender sense this applies to men establishing a positive dominance in their relationships with women. In a dating context of non-exclusivity (plate spinning) this means, as a man, you have a solid reality into which that woman wants to be included in. Holding Frame is not about force, or coercion, it’s about attraction and desire and a genuine want on the part of a woman to be considered for inclusion into that man’s reality.

Being allowed into a man’s dominant, confident Frame should be a compliment to that woman’s self-perception. It should be a prize she seeks.”

So here is a summary of what Tomassi is saying in these two statements. Men have a choice. They can be the beta male our post-feminist culture wants them to be. That means as a man you center your life on pleasing the women around you. If you are a beta male, your entire strategy in dating and eventually marriage is to make your wife happy each and every day. You will sacrifice your career, your sexual needs and anything else that is required in order to make her happy.

Alpha males are the polar opposite. The best summary of an Alpha male is man who absolutely and unequivocally does not care about what others think of him. He literally does what he wants to whether it is popular or not.

As an example, a beta male would ask his wife or girlfriend permission to go out with his friends on a given evening. The alpha male would tell his wife he was going out and not give her the option of a veto. Tomassi and other Red Pill philosophers have pointed to many studies which show women going after the “bad boy”, i.e. the guy who could care less about what anyone thinks of what he does. For instance, it is extremely common for a woman to be married to Mr. Nice Guy and then have an affair with Mr. Bad Boy who lives next store. The Mr. Nice Guy could work the 9 to 5 job and provide well for his wife and children. The Mr. Nice Guy could come home after work and help with the kids and even cook dinner. Mr. Nice Guy even takes his wife on regular weekly dates and even takes her on romantic trips a couple times a year. But instead his wife finds herself attracted to Mr. Bad Guy next store who is covered in tattoos, rides a Harley, would never want kids and has an endless string of bimbos coming in and out of his house.

This is because two of the driving forces that evoke what Tomassi calls “genuine” verses “negotiated” sexual desire in women are men that give off the allure of danger or excitement. Mr. Nice Guy is both safe and unexciting therefore his wife will most likely have no genuine desire to have sex with him and the most he can ever hope for is “transactional” or “negotiated” sex where he does things for her and then she gives him sex as a reward.

Another driver of genuine sexual desire in women, according to Tomassi, is fear or dread. Its not fear in the sense that she is afraid the man will hurt her if she does not have sex with him. It is not even fear that he might take away things like money or other things he supplies her with. This type of fear or dread as he refers to it is when a woman sees other women are interested in her man. It is really a jealous type of fear where she worries if she does not sexually please him, he will find what he wants elsewhere with these other women that want him.

And these are just some of the many techniques that Mr. Tomassi teaches men in order to stoke “genuine desire” for sex from women toward them. While he does talk about other masculine issues besides sex, his teachings could basically boil down to “How men can get laid both before and after marriage in a post-feminist world.” With teachings like these, it is not surprising that Mr. Tomassi has one of the largest followings in the Manosphere.

Now that we have talked about MRAs, Secular Patriarchists and Red Pill teachings from the manosphere we will now dive into MGTOWs.


MGTOWs

Here is the definition of MGTOW from mgtow.com’s “About” page:

“M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.”

On mgtow.com’s “Manosphere” page they explain what happiness looks like to a man:

“Happiness is a man who protects and cares for his family, goes forth and conquers, gives of himself for a greater cause, and ensures his legacy – because that’s what he was made to do. He doesn’t fear resistance, turbulence, or commitment, because his masculine frame turns resistance into rise, finds sustenance in turbulent waters, and relies on the steadfast roots of commitment to provide stability for himself and safety for those he vowed to protect.

But today’s men are encouraged to meet resistance head on while being shamed for expecting lift. They’re told to “man up” and tough it out through turbulent waters while being called misogynists for expecting sustenance. They’re shamed into putting down roots in infertile hypergamous soil that offers no support, then are financially ruined and separated from their children when they cannot weather the storm…

The women they encounter demand attention, loyalty, resources and undue privilege, while offering very little in return. The natural hypergamous nature that once served them well in their quest to secure the best possible mate is now a sustained lifestyle bringing an endless pursuit of bigger and better. The average young woman today is less concerned about the number of quality men who would commit to her than she is about the number of men who retweet a photo of her breasts.

Young men today attend churches with pastors who demand they “man up” and support the church and its female parishioners, but that same church does nothing to cultivate an environment that encourages feminine strength. Sunday after Sunday they listen as the same Bible used to preemptively absolve women of all past, current and future transgressions is used to condemn men…

Men haven’t lost their need to find happiness by providing, protecting, sacrificing and conquering; we’ve simply discovered that providing for the modern feminist, working like a dog to protect a family that can be taken away at a moment’s notice, or risking our lives to conquer resources for some ungrateful women who claims she can do it on her own is an empty way to live. We haven’t changed the mission; we’ve changed the method. We now provide for ourselves and our immediate families, protect our interests, make selective sacrifices when the situation warrants, and conquer mountains of poon.”

On the subject of sex mgtow.com gives this answer in their “Frequently Asked Questions” (https://www.mgtow.com/faq/) section:

“Do MGTOW have sex? Or are you all virgins who don’t get any.

You know who’s not getting any?

Boyfriends and husbands.

Sex is a worthless commodity that grows on trees. Any man who has enjoyed his fair share would know that. It’s available to any man, anywhere, for less effort, money and time than anyone would have you believe. If it’s that important to a man, he can order it like pizza. Right now. Even if the modern man has only 3 lovers in his entire life, he is enjoying more trim than his own grandfather – who was socially expected to marry her first. The value of western vagina has plummeted to $0.

A significant number of MGTOW are fathers. Guess how that happened.”

And finally on the subject of marriage mgtow.com gives this answer in their “Frequently Asked Questions” section:

“Can you be married and a MGHOW?

There has been some deliberation on this, but the short answer is “no”.

While it’s certainly possible that a man may have married 20 years ago, and recently became self-aware of the very precarious legal position he finds himself in today . . . this would be the only real way he could consider adopting a MGTOW lifestyle if he were contemplating divorce.

Cohabitation and the signing of a marriage contract eliminates any possibility that he has a true 100% agency over the outcome of his marriage and future. With 72%+ of divorces solely initiated by women (the number is much higher because she can still passively initiate while making it look like his idea) his kids, house, cars, freedom and ultimate destiny no longer belong to him exclusively. No matter how much he wants his marriage to work, he can’t legally control the outcome and can be totally devastated by the divorce. Divorce is a huge, billion-dollar industry deliberately designed to transfer his wealth and freedom to her, leaving him with little or no recourse – even if he were totally faithful and she had 50 affairs since the wedding.

Save a male and stop a wedding™ is an unregistered trademark of MGTOW.com”

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Similarities and Contrasts Between Red Pill, MGTOW and Biblical Patriarchy

Red Pill ideology is not all wrong from a Christian perspective. In fact, many observations of Red Pill ideology are backed up by the Bible.

But one of the big differences between Red Pill ideology and Biblical gender roles is that Red Pill just tells you what the differences are between men and women, it does not do a lot of explaining as to why those differences are there.

From a Biblical perspective, one of the greatest weaknesses of Red Pill ideology is that it never really answers the question of why men and women were made the way they are. The only “why” you get from Red Pill for the differences between men and women is based on the evolutionary need to reproduce for the continuation of the species.

Mr. Tomassi’s Red Pill ideology teaches that men have polygamous natures which causes them seek to sow their seed with as many women as possible. On the other hand, Tomassi teaches that women have hypergamous natures which causes them to be more selective and thus they seek out the most genetically superior males who can provide for and protect them and their children thus giving their offspring the best chance for survival.

The Bible actually shows that God made men with polygamous natures and it regulates polygamy and even blesses polygamy. So, in this area of man’s sexual nature the Bible would be in complete agreement with Red Pill ideology.

The Bible would also agree with the fact that women have hypergamous natures but under Biblical laws women were not allowed to fully act on those hypergamous natures. While it is true that women often married for economic or political means, the fact is historically women had little to no choice in whom they married. Their fathers or other male relatives like uncles or brothers would decide who women married. Only widowed or divorced women had a choice in whom they married.

Prior to the advent of “dating” in the late 19th century and then the sexual revolution of the 1960s, the whole Red Pill ideology of cracking “the code of how to get laid” would have been meaningless because society did not accept casual sex outside of marriage.

And the way a man got married was to get a job, show he could provide and then earn the permission of the father, uncle or brother of the girl he wanted to marry. In many older cultures a man did not just earn the father’s permission with his character or by showing he could provide, but he also earned that permission by paying for the woman.

In other words, since the creation of mankind right up until the advent of mid-19th century feminist movements, women were considered the property of men. There were two primary ways men acquired women. They would take women as part of the spoils of war from the tribes or nations they conquered or among their own tribe or nation they would purchase women from their fathers or other male relatives.

When we look at the history of male/female relationship dynamics, a lot of what Red Pill ideology teaches only applies if a man fully accepts and just wants to “game” our post-feminist and post-sexual revolution culture to fulfill his own personnel desires for pleasure.

So, if you are trying to follow the Biblical model of gender roles some parts of Red Pill ideology will work within a Biblical framework but other parts of it will have to be discarded.

And then we have MGTOWs. MGTOWs recognize we are living in a feminine primary world like the Red Pill folks. But the entire emphasis of their ideology is on the risk of marriage for men in our post-feminist world. In other words, in the MGTOW worldview, marriage is not worth the risk for men.

And they are not wrong that there is indeed great risk for men today entering marriage. In past generations marriage was a mutually beneficial relationship for both men and women and carried very low risk and a very high rate of return for men.

But today, marriage is a very risky proposition for men. Men are often financially and emotionally devastated by divorce and women are are incentivized by the state to divorce men. Men on the other hand are often scared to death for their wives to divorce them as they might have to live in poverty as a result.

But from the Biblical view point, the fact that marriage has in last half century become a very risky proposition for men, does not give men a free pass from God to avoid their duty to seek marriage.

Remember that God created man to image him and thereby bring him glory. And a man cannot fully image God, and thereby fulfill his created purpose, without being a husband and father. God’s first command in Genesis 1:28 to mankind to “Be fruitful, and multiply“ still applies. Marriage is God’s rule for mankind, and celibacy is his exception to that rule “that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction” (1 Corinthians 7:35). Celibacy was not allowed by God so people could live selfish lives or for people who were fearful of marriage to avoid it.

While the Bible has great praise for celibacy if one has the gift from God, it clearly states that “it is better to marry than to burn“ (1 Corinthians 7:9). In other words if you as a man have a sexual desire for women but the only thing holding you back is fear of divorce, that is not an excuse to avoid marriage.

So it is for these reasons that the MGTOW position is completely unbiblical. It is not based in celibacy for undivided service to God, but rather MGTOW is an ideology that is completely based in fear.

Only one small positive. The Patriarchists don't hate women at all and can be trusted for it. There was no Jesus and artificial wombs.