Microsoft will unveil the next version of Windows on June 24th - What's next after Windows 10?

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Kosher Dill said:
Which ones still let you do that? Doesn't seem to be an option on the T or P series at least.
The best I was able to find anywhere is that Purism laptops and some low-end HPs have physical killswitches for the camera.
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I remember HP did but now even their cheapo models come with one. I'd bet there's still some generic build-your-own somewhere. I generally use computers until they literally stop working.
 
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Someone made in a couple of day what a full paid dev in a multibillionaire corp could not be arsed to do in months a app that tell you why exactly you cant install window 11

In my case, my old 8 year mobo doesnt have Secure boot, the CPU was declared haram by microsoft (it can run it but they removed anything below Ryzen in the compatibility section), GPT is the way Window partition when you install it by UEFI, well i dont have UEFI, this thing was made waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before TPM was a thing so i dont have it

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Gensou Hadou said:
... Never mind. My computer's going to become a brick in 3 years if I don't switch to Linux, so I may as well start testing Linux Mint on a live USB sooner than later.

It didn't work with Xbox One Kinect back in 2011, but people are so stupid and so much stupider than they were back then that I think it's going to work now. *sigh*
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Good thing we just spent a year telecommuting and distance learning via zoom meetings and shit to make sure we all have webcams now! I don't know if it's intentional but the fucking opportunism here is infuriating all the same.
 
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3119967d0c said:
There are people that don't use the computer exactly the way I do? How can this be happening to me?
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Pity reply.
Gensou Hadou said:
They're worried I'll break it, mainly. I've broken at least one device trying to mod it in the past. Like I said, tech and parts are pretty unaffordable these days and I do need a computer of some sort, so if mine breaks, I'm shit out of luck.

Stupid question: Would a dual-boot be any safer? Would dual-booting not activate the Windows spyware on the Linux partition while also giving me a failsafe in case shit goes sideways or I need to use something that doesn't work in Wine?
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It's really simple. Put a lightweight OS like Puppy Linux on a USB and use that for your boot drive. As long as you install the package to support ntfs (which will be in the package manager if somehow it's not already installed) and work off that. Paging/swap might be slow but you'll have to work pretty hard to use enough memory to get that point. The only issue is that rarely, almost only with games running through proton/wine the lack of support for posix permissions can cause obscure errors. All you need to do in that case is buy an external drive, format it to ext4 and use that to hold your special snowflake files. Until that point everything can sit on the windows partition you already have and you just access it from the liveusb.
 
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AmpleApricots said:
I switched to Linux for good back in the 2000/XP days when hardware support was still really hit-or-miss and when I see threads like this I'm reminded that was a good decision. I can't even imagine having that little power over what's actually going on with my computer or why people would put up with that shit. The signs were all already there back then, it's what actually made me switch. That being said Linux Userland is under attack by the same monolithic corpo bullshit too and you have to pick your software very carefully and go off-path and ignore the popular stuff, but hey, at least you can still.

Also as it has been mentioned, if you have to run really old Windows software and don't want to emulate anything WINE is the way to go. It's much more compatible to old stuff than current day Windows is, especially old games.
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I'm not really familiar with linux, but how can you end up with monolithic corporate bullshit with so many branches of an open source project? Isn't the entire idea that the collective can watch and stop that shit from happening, and if it does they just make their own branch? I get some brnaches are corporate owned, but not all.
 
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Kosher Dill said:
Open source was subverted the minute corporations realized it was possible to make projects expand faster than the number of independent eyes watching it.
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But why would they go after a OS with few users, many of which are tech savvy and the majority of things are free? Seems like a lot of effort for little return.
 
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kuniqsX said:
Did anyone of you schizos thought about just taping the webcam if you're that paranoid?
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They’re going to push facial recognition sign in on laptops and eventually 11 Home. Taping the camera or disabling the driver will not brick your OS, but you will be forced to reenable it.

Enterprise won’t ever have that shit as mandatory though, and neither will LTSC.
 
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HumanHive said:
They’re going to push facial recognition sign in on laptops and eventually 11 Home. Taping the camera or disabling the driver will not brick your OS, but you will be forced to reenable it.

Enterprise won’t ever have that shit as mandatory though, and neither will LTSC.
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It will be interesting to see what W11 Enterprise and W11 LTSC look like.

Bear in mind there are corporates and government departments that are only just upgrading from W7 to W10 as we speak.

My wife has spent the last two weeks rolling W10 out onto a fleet of a couple hundred desktop PCs in a government department, and she still has a couple of weeks to go until all machines have gone from W7 to W10.

As an added bonus, about a dozen of these machines are Dell Optiplex 960s circa 2008, and she reckons these are unlikely to get replaced any time soon.
 
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Pee Cola said:
It will be interesting to see what W11 Enterprise and W11 LTSC look like.

Bear in mind there are corporates and government departments that are only just upgrading from W7 to W10 as we speak.

My wife has spent the last two weeks rolling W10 out onto a fleet of a couple hundred desktop PCs in a government department, and she still has a couple of weeks to go until all machines have gone from W7 to W10.

As an added bonus, about a dozen of these machines are Dell Optiplex 960s circa 2008, and she reckons these are unlikely to get replaced any time soon.
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Here’s a conspiracy for you: it’s not Intel or M$ who are really going to profit from the strict cpu requirements, but the IT department illuminati.
 
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HumanHive said:
Here’s a conspiracy for you: it’s not Intel or M$ who are really going to profit from the strict cpu requirements, but the IT department illuminati.
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On one hand, I can see Intel pushing for a new version of W11 that breaks old PCs that run fine on W10 Enterprise/LTSC. On the other hand, demand for new CPUs is only going to further stretch the already stretched chip fabs around the world. Unless ofc Intel is planning on using market forces to jack up CPU prices and then fail to reduce prices once more fabs are online and supply eases up.

OTOH the IT department illuminati (Dell, HP, Lenovo) also have a lot to gain by forcing tens of millions (maybe hundreds of millions?) of perfectly cromulent PCs to be scrapped because they were deliberately broken by M$.
 
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Pee Cola said:
On one hand, I can see Intel pushing for a new version of W11 that breaks old PCs that run fine on W10 Enterprise/LTSC. On the other hand, demand for new CPUs is only going to further stretch the already stretched chip fabs around the world. Unless ofc Intel is planning on using market forces to jack up CPU prices and then fail to reduce prices once more fabs are online and supply eases up.

OTOH the IT department illuminati (Dell, HP, Lenovo) also have a lot to gain by forcing tens of millions (maybe hundreds of millions?) of perfectly cromulent PCs to be scrapped because they were deliberately broken by M$.
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Yeah, I really don’t see how these new requirements will work with the semi-conductor shortage. Either M$ walks back its requirements, the big Internet of Things push dies, or Win11 dies. One of the three.
 
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>No Surface Pro 4, Surface Pro 2017, or Surface Studio Support
Even Microsoft's own hardware is fucked, and these things have the TPM Chip
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These are the deprecated and removed features of Windows 11

Windows 11 will be released later this year. Windows 10 users may upgrade to the new system for free, provided that the device meets all system requirements, or they may stay on Windows 10, which continues to be supported until 2025.

As is the case with many feature updates and especially new versions of Windows, some features are deprecated or entirely removed from the new system.

Microsoft published a list of features are that deprecated or removed in Windows 11. Most are expected removals or deprecations, but some changes are new.

The biggest changes from a user perspective are the locked bottom position of the taskbar and the removal of application folders in Start.

Windows 11 removed or deprecated features

>Taskbar
< The bottom position is the only location for the taskbar going forward.
< Applications may no longer customize taskbar areas
< People is removed.
< Some icons may no longer appear in the System Tray.
>Start Menu
< Named groups and application folders are no longer supported.
< Layout is not resizable, currently.
< Live Tiles are no longer available.
< Pinned apps and sites won't be migrated.
>Tablet Mode is removed (new functionality is added for keyboard attach and detach postures)
>Touch Keyboard won't dock or undock anymore on screen sizes 18 inches and larger.
>Timeline feature is removed.
>Wallet is removed.
>Cortana is no longer included in the first boot experienced or pinned to the taskbar.
>Desktop wallpapers are not synced anymore when using a Microsoft account.
>Internet Explorer is disabled. IE Mode in Edge is available to fill the gap.
>Math Input Panel is removed. Math Recognizer will install on demand.
>News and Interests has evolved into Windows Widgets.
>Quick Status removed from the lockscreen and from settings.
>S Mode is exclusive to Windows 11 Home Edition.
>Snipping Tool continues to be available but functionality has been replaced with the Snip &
>Sketch tool functionality.3D Viewer, OneNote for Windows 10, Paint 3D and Skype won't be installed anymore on new systems. They remain available when systems are upgraded.
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Apple can do this because they aim at the consumer market and even then the cutoff for updates is very far back. Microsoft enjoys no such freedom, just remember the resistance coming from the XP corporate market to the end of support.

They will have to backpedal eventually, the second coming of "There is a product for you, it's called Xbox 360" won't be tolerated by the enterprise market, which thrives on old stuff and has a stalwart resistance to changing it. I know there's still support for Windows 10 until 2025 but for them it's not gonna be an upgrade deadline, it's gonna be a terminal illness diagnosis.
 
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