Millions of Résumés Never Make It Past the Bots. One Man Is Trying to Find Out Why - Sure is a mystery aka maybe the bots are based


Millions of Résumés Never Make It Past the Bots. One Man Is Trying to Find Out Why.​

After more than 100 unsuccessful job applications, Derek Mobley sued software firm Workday for discrimination, claiming its algorithm screened him out​


By
Lauren Weber

| Photographs by Angela Owens/WSJ
June 22, 2025 8:00 pm ET

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‘There’s a standard bell curve in statistics. It didn’t make sense that my failure rate was 100%,’ said Mobley.
U.S. job hunters submit millions of online applications every year. Often they get an automatic rejection or no response at all, never knowing if they got a fair shake from the algorithms that gatekeep today’s job market.
One worker, Derek Mobley, is trying to discover why.
Mobley, an IT professional in North Carolina, applied for more than 100 jobs during a stretch of unemployment from 2017 to 2019 and for a few years after. He was met with rejection or silence each time. Sometimes the rejection emails arrived in the middle of the night or within an hour of submitting his application.
Mobley, now 50 years old, noticed that many of the companies he applied to used an online recruiting platform created by software firm Workday. The platforms, called applicant tracking systems, help employers track and screen job candidates.
In 2023 Mobley sued Workday, one of the largest purveyors of recruiting software, for discrimination, claiming its algorithm screened him out, based on his age, race and disabilities. Mobley, a Black graduate of Morehouse College who suffers from anxiety and depression, said the math didn’t add up.
He says he applied only for jobs he believed he was qualified for. “There’s a standard bell curve in statistics. It didn’t make sense that my failure rate was 100%,” said Mobley, who has since gotten hired and twice promoted at Allstate.
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Derek Mobley is an IT professional in North Carolina.
His suit is now emerging as the most significant challenge yet to the software behind nearly every hiring decision these days. Last month—after several failed challenges by Workday—a federal judge in California said Mobley’s age-discrimination claim could proceed, for now, as a collective action. The ruling opens the door to millions of potential claims from job seekers over the age of 40.
While the judge has ruled that Workday didn’t intentionally discriminate against Mobley, she left open the door for him to prove that Workday’s technology still had the effect of penalizing him because of his age. She hasn’t addressed the race and disability claims.
Mobley still has a tough case to prove, and the suit may go through years of legal wrangling. Yet the case could force Workday to part the curtains on how its algorithm scores applications, a process that has remained a black box since job searches began moving online decades ago.
“Hiring intermediaries have pretty much been excused from regulation and they’ve escaped any legal scrutiny. I think this case will change that,” said Ifeoma Ajunwa, a professor at Emory University School of Law and author of “The Quantified Worker.”
Workday says Mobley’s claims have no merit. It said its software matches keywords on résumés with the job qualifications that its employer-customers load for each role, then scores applicants as a strong, good, fair or low match.
While employer clients can set up “knockout questions” that lead to automatic rejections—for example, asking if a person has legal authorization to work in the U.S. or is available for weekend shifts—the software is designed so employers make the final decisions on candidates who make it through the initial screen, Workday argued in court filings.
“There’s no evidence that the technology results in harm to protected groups,” the company said.

A rocky career path​

Before his job search, Mobley’s career path hadn’t been smooth. He was laid off in the recession that followed the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and again after the housing meltdown in 2008. After that, he left finance and transitioned to what he viewed as a more recession-proof career in technology, earning an associate degree in network system administration.
Still, steady jobs were hard to come by. He spent a year as a contractor at IT firm HPE, hoping the stint would turn into a permanent position. Mobley said he was let go, and he later joined a lawsuit against HPE alleging age and race discrimination. The case was settled in 2020. HPE declined to comment.
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The suit may go through years of legal wrangling.
That job loss led to two years of unemployment, starting in 2017. He applied to more than 100 jobs and found himself on Workday’s recruiting platform over and over.
He didn’t get a single interview, let alone a job.
Soon, Mobley felt he discerned a pattern. “It dawned on me that this must be some kind of server reviewing these applications and turning me down.”
He worried that hiring software screened him out because it picked up on his age and race through details on his résumé or that it detected his anxiety and depression through personality tests he took as part of some job applications.
The frustrations of the job search weighed on his emotional health, credit and retirement savings, he said. He stayed afloat by driving for Uber and working short-term jobs.
Mobley eventually did find a job, the old-fashioned way. In 2019, he said, a recruiter for Allstate called him. A phone screen led to an interview with a hiring manager and then an offer. He is now a catastrophe controller, managing the workflow of customers’ property and auto damage claims.
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Mobley shows a job rejection email on his personal laptop.
Mobley said he suspects Workday’s software flagged his profile, essentially blackballing him across its entire system, regardless of which company he applied to.
Workday disputes that idea, and HR technology experts are skeptical of the theory. Employers customize recruiting software with their own criteria, they say, creating closed systems that shouldn’t theoretically speak to each other.
But there is evidence that underlying scoring algorithms can shut out certain job seekers, said Kathleen Creel, a computer scientist at Northeastern University who has been following the Workday case. That might happen, she said, through mechanical errors such as misclassifying a previous job title, or by incorporating more complicated algorithmic mistakes that penalize members of a single group or people with certain combinations of characteristics.
Such scoring systems can disadvantage qualified workers, according to researchers at Harvard Business School, who have found that the systems effectively screen out millions of workers by scoring them low for all kinds of reasons, such as having gaps in their résumés or not matching every qualification listed on a lengthy job description. The researchers didn’t test for illegal discrimination, such as discrimination based on age, gender or race.
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Workday says Mobley’s claims have no merit.
Since 2022, Workday has built a team focused on ensuring its products meet ethical artificial-intelligence standards. “Our customers want to know, can I trust these technologies? How were they developed?” Kelly Trindel, who leads the ethical AI team, said at a conference this month at New York University Law School.
Still, the company has fought some efforts to regulate automated hiring tools. In 2023, a New York City law went into effect requiring employers that use technology like chatbot interviewing tools and resume scanners to audit them annually for potential race and gender bias, and then publish the results on their websites. When the bill was proposed, Workday argued to loosen some of the rules.
If Mobley succeeds, software companies and their customers may be required to do more due diligence and disclosure to ensure they don’t enshrine bias. Employment lawyers say any finding of liability could open the door to job seekers also suing employers who use them.
“This isn’t a personal vendetta,” Mobley said. “I’m an honest law-abiding person trying to just get a job in an honest way.”

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Yeah, I always hated those things. That said, it's always painfully obvious what answers they're looking for. If you're perversely honest and insist on answering each one with exactly how autistic, oversensitive, stubborn, or flaky you are, of course they'll bin your application. They want to hear you're a team player, that you follow orders blindly, that you'll snitch if you see a co-worker gank some Sharpies from the supply closet, that you "love a challenge" and "thrive in a fast-paced environment," and so on. You can be totally truthful or you can lie to the bot for a chance at snagging an interview. 🤷‍♂️
Yeah, but then the issue comes down to the specific preference of the hiring manager/team/etc.

Yeah but if you just lie and give the perfect responses im pretty sure that it also counts against you. You have to give just the right amount of flawed answers, its incredibly gay and this could all be avoided if IQ tests weren't deemed discriminatory under the civil rights act
Pretty sure that's how we got to this point too.
 
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Click on your profile at the top of the page. It should take you to >>> settings >>> account details. First thing listed should be your user name, followed by your email. Scroll down past avatar, and profile banner, the next entry should be custom title. Just place it there.
i don't see it.... Probably not here long enough....
 
As much as working in construction can suck, at least I always have work and it pays very well. I turned down two six figure jobs in the last couple of months just because they weren't "good enough" for me to go for. And while there's illegals and wetbacks all over the place, they're too illiterate and stupid to do what I do, and there's only been one Jeet so far who was actually a halfway decent dude since he also hated India and Indians. I looked into a career change recently, but it's so bleak out there that I would rather take the devil I know and keep making good money than try to compete with the entire third world in another field, just to get laid off at the first possible opportunity. Most recent job I got, I emailed my resume to the owner of the company, did a ten minute phone interview, and was emailed the contract that afternoon; hard to beat that.

Best of luck out there, Kiwis. We could always use non retarded people in the trades and inspections.
 
It isn't just in IT though. Across the board people are turning in resume after resume, application packet after application packet and either getting no response or an automatic rejection based on qualifications almost immediately or in the middle of the night. I've applied for jobs I have not only the qualifications for, but have actually done, and been rejected for being unqualified or don't meet their standards or whatever without any explanation or interview or anything. And you can forget about talking to a human being who can tell you exactly what they want in a candidate because no one in HR will answer any questions, lest they be sued.
 
The problem's deeper than just retarded software, though it's certainly contributing. The imbeciles in your average HR department know fuck all about what the desired qualities/skills should be for a given role, doubly so if it's a technical role. So they fill it with gibberish like "leads the company vision with excellence" and not "needs to be able to roll back the finance team's Sharepoint site after Sally deletes it all by mistake for the second time this week". And since the person pushing the button doesn't comprehend what the job involves, any filter they set up will be similarly stupid.
Pre-AI slop, there was a similar but lesser problem of the HR people ignorantly rejecting good candidates or letting obvious bullshit candidates through, because they didn't see a given keyword mentioned in a resume even if it mentioned something functionally identical, like Red Hat vs. Linux. Since they have no fucking idea what that is in the first place, they don't understand what the applicant has in the resume and they wouldn't bother to pass it along to someone who knew better.
 
The problem's deeper than just retarded software, though it's certainly contributing. The imbeciles in your average HR department know fuck all about what the desired qualities/skills should be for a given role, doubly so if it's a technical role. So they fill it with gibberish like "leads the company vision with excellence" and not "needs to be able to roll back the finance team's Sharepoint site after Sally deletes it all by mistake for the second time this week". And since the person pushing the button doesn't comprehend what the job involves, any filter they set up will be similarly stupid.
Pre-AI slop, there was a similar but lesser problem of the HR people ignorantly rejecting good candidates or letting obvious bullshit candidates through, because they didn't see a given keyword mentioned in a resume even if it mentioned something functionally identical, like Red Hat vs. Linux. Since they have no fucking idea what that is in the first place, they don't understand what the applicant has in the resume and they wouldn't bother to pass it along to someone who knew better.
Yeah, but now add on the even more fucked up stuff where entry level jobs require years of experience and all that. Don't have the experience? You're not getting the job.

It's become a brutal and vicious cycle.
 
There is often a "personality test" attached to online applications. His claim is that once the system twigged to his issues using that it became part of his global profile so he was auto rejected for any company that was using Workday, without anyone at the company ever seeing his resume. He was black balled by workdays algorythym .
If you take a personality test and somehow end up scoring "anxiety" and "depression" then you're worthy of your fate ngl.

That's like taking an IQ test and somehow failing.
 
The truth of it all, is that the ideal candidate does not exist. you just have to find a person you can stand, who is trainable, and just teach them how to do the job.

While this is often applicable, it doesn't hold with skilled labour / specialists. At a certain point - and it's really not that high up - you are paid to know and understand things beyond your manager's comprehension. There's a lot of jobs out there - usually after the original owner has sold the operation - where no one in authority can evaluate your ability because their specialty is managing people who do jobs, not the job itself.

People use to rely on their bullshit detectors to make up for that gap, but then the bullshitters got into office and instituted ten years of globohomo to annihilate bullshit detection. So, I kick the can back to the bullshitters who gatekeep like their salary depends on it (because it does.)

Best of luck out there, Kiwis. We could always use non retarded people in the trades and inspections.
100% . Bring back the guild system.
 
I'm actually in favor of Mobley. The automated bot resume filtering needs to stop. It's what companies use to not get sued while pursuing selecting hiring practices that violate the law.
I bet for every retard they filter out, they filter out 20 reasonably promising applications. I also suspect that the retard filtering is more of an accident than anything.
 
Why even call it entry level when the entire point is to get your foot in the door?
I've been told it's the fault of HR not doing their damn job.

But also because there's a billion overqualified people who just want a paycheck. Hence why I'm competing with baby boomers for something like a procurement clerk job. Or a teacher's aide. Or etc.
 
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