Mosh pits deemed problematic by Guardianista, should be replaced with safe spaces - Apparently they are toxic masculinity and exclude women, trans people, and people of colour.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/may/05/dance-of-death-are-the-days-of-the-moshpit-numbered

I'll just leave this spergery here shall I.

A few observations:

1. Yes, I have seen women get groped in mosh pits. Usually other heshers in the vicinity punched them out or they were slung out by the bouncers afterwards. Besides, you're less likely to get groped in a mosh pit than you are at some indie show or meat markety nightclub. Most headbanger women can look after themselves anyhow.

2. The most destructive moshers are always the tiny stick-thin girls who just go windmilling in and never, ever, give up.

3. What's being a person of colour got to do with moshing?

4. The article's entire arguments seems to be that women are too fragile and precious to handle moshing. Aside from being factually wrong (women mosh all the time), it's also a bit, you know, sexist, this idea that women are too weak and need to be protected for their own good. Fuck that noise.
 
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Has the author of this article ever seen a female Slayer fan? I mean real ones. Not rich teenyboppers in horribly overpriced vintage shirts.

Ultimately, any movement about empathy can’t be a bad thing. “It feels good to be part of a scene that really cares about their fans, and is vocal about wanting their shows to be safer,” says Alex. “We’re building a community here, and that’s something that’s needed right now.”
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Metal already has a community. If you can't hang with them keep your music preferences to yourself. Or go listen to Justin Bieber or something.

I'm really getting tired of the "no fun allowed" generation acting as if everyone always needs to be on the same page or their some sort of "-phobic" or "-ist". Let's take everything out of metal that metal features and represents so no one feels threatened and everybody has a safe space. Just stay out of the mosh pits.

There's a joke in the comment section about Tom Araya giving out trigger warnings for Holocaust references. They'll be asking for those next.
 
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Most of the time when someone starts complaining about racism/sexism/whateverism I tune them out and ignore them completely because 95% of the time it's some sheltered faggot with more money than I'll ever see in my lifetime complaining about how oppressed they are.
 
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Dysnomia said:
Has the author of this article ever seen a female Slayer fan? I mean real ones. Not rich teenyboppers in horribly overpriced vintage shirts.



Metal already has a community. If you can't hang with them keep your music preferences to yourself. Or go listen to Justin Bieber or something.

I'm really getting tired of the "no fun allowed" generation acting as if everyone always needs to be on the same page or their some sort of "-phobic" or "-ist". Let's take everything out of metal that metal features and represents so no one feels threatened and everybody has a safe space. Just stay out of the mosh pits.

There's a joke in the comment section about Tom Araya giving out trigger warnings for Holocaust references. They'll be asking for those next.
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Have a listen to the "punk" bands like PWR BTTM and Diet Cig that the writer plugs. They're weak as water acoustic guitar indie pap. No wonder they don't have mosh pits because they're FUCKING BORING AS SHIT.

Sometimes I am disgusted to be a millennial (I was born in 1985 which makes me one, just about.) This is what passes for cool nowadays? Fucking hell, no wonder I get on better with people in their 40s.
 
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Mosh pits that I've seen at festivals and music tours you can easily avoid and despite the look of many of the moshers there always seems to be common courtesy, for example helping up someone who's fallen down.

A safe space might be a good idea for some things though, like parents who bring their small children along thinking what a great idea it'd be to stand right at the front of a huge crowd and then right before the band starts everyone starts pushing forward leading inevitably for a member of security lifting them out to stop them getting crushed although instead of a designated safe space they could just be standing at the back or in the seating area if there is one.
 
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Ginger Piglet said:
Have a listen to the "punk" bands like PWR BTTM and Diet Cig that the writer plugs. They're weak as water acoustic guitar indie pap. No wonder they don't have mosh pits because they're FUCKING BORING AS SHIT.
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So this is what the kiddies are trying to pass of as Punk as these days?

Because shit like that seems less punk and more Hipsters and tumblr genderspecials deciding to make shitty wussy music and tying to pass that off as punk.
 
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Have a listen to the "punk" bands like PWR BTTM and Diet Cig that the writer plugs. They're weak as water acoustic guitar indie pap. No wonder they don't have mosh pits because they're FUCKING BORING AS SHIT.

Sometimes I am disgusted to be a millennial (I was born in 1985 which makes me one, just about.) This is what passes for cool nowadays? Fucking hell, no wonder I get on better with people in their 40s.
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They make even Avril Lavigne seem edgy in comparison.

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The reviews of their new album are pretty hilarious in a SJW meets Hipster kind of way:
Even when Luciano sounds at her most exasperated with the unkillable mosquito of hypermasculinity and penis entitlement, she never foregoes irony or authority. ‘Link In Bio’ obviously drains from the Sisyphean nightmare of expressing yourself online as a female artist, where egg mansplaining is a social norm, and not a modern art exhibit. She sneers against the deluded banalities imploring female propriety; “They say ‘speak your mind but not too loud’/ And ‘You should love yourself, but don’t be too proud,’” before climaxing rapturously with “I know/ What I want/ So please fuck off!” Allowing yourself the faculty of admitting vulnerability and anxiety is to own these fears and cultivate them as assets. To remain upbeat and kindly and so damn funny during this introspective wrestling match is true supremacy. It’s about being marginalised but a good person and deserving better than the shit thrown at you, and once you value and respect your own eccentricity, it becomes a form of power; inculcating deeper meaning to their ‘power’ chords.

Swear triumphantly signals you can have party-poppers of fun while tackling the most pertinent and solemn concerns; like their equally wonderful spirit-punks PWR BTTM, they illustrate that shameless buoyancy can be lethally weaponised to conquer hook-nosed, ear-haired, dandruffed prejudice. You can snarl about rights and bills and policy, but you can’t renege this positivity in selfhood. Diet Cig and what they represent are indefatigable.

Let ‘Tummy Ache’’s blaring refrain of “My stomach hurts/ Because it’s hard to be a punk while wearing a skirt” be our unruly mantra for 2017. Fuck the patriarchy; love punk music.

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But back on topic, as with many of these Guardian articles I don't think it's a coincidence Diet Cig and PWR BTTM both have new albums and also happen to be with the same record label.
 
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Even when Luciano sounds at her most exasperated with the unkillable mosquito of hypermasculinity and penis entitlement, she never foregoes irony or authority. ‘Link In Bio’ obviously drains from the Sisyphean nightmare of expressing yourself online as a female artist, where egg mansplaining is a social norm, and not a modern art exhibit. She sneers against the deluded banalities imploring female propriety; “They say ‘speak your mind but not too loud’/ And ‘You should love yourself, but don’t be too proud,’” before climaxing rapturously with “I know/ What I want/ So please fuck off!” Allowing yourself the faculty of admitting vulnerability and anxiety is to own these fears and cultivate them as assets. To remain upbeat and kindly and so damn funny during this introspective wrestling match is true supremacy. It’s about being marginalised but a good person and deserving better than the shit thrown at you, and once you value and respect your own eccentricity, it becomes a form of power; inculcating deeper meaning to their ‘power’ chords.

Swear triumphantly signals you can have party-poppers of fun while tackling the most pertinent and solemn concerns; like their equally wonderful spirit-punks PWR BTTM, they illustrate that shameless buoyancy can be lethally weaponised to conquer hook-nosed, ear-haired, dandruffed prejudice. You can snarl about rights and bills and policy, but you can’t renege this positivity in selfhood. Diet Cig and what they represent are indefatigable.

Let ‘Tummy Ache’’s blaring refrain of “My stomach hurts/ Because it’s hard to be a punk while wearing a skirt” be our unruly mantra for 2017. Fuck the patriarchy; love punk music.

Rating: 8.5/10
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Old school punks would eat these people.
 
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No offense, but I seriously wonder how many people who constantly call out subjects as "problematic" and as one form of discrimination or another have an autism spectrum disorder. They're clearly fixated on calling out perceived problems and meticulously categorizing them under a whole bunch of different labels from academia.
 
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I would not want to stop others enjoying them. But I never really "got" moshpits myself. I tried a few at gigs when I was a teen and just ended up falling over and being squashed.

Well of course they exclude people like me who aren't very good at moshing. Just like piano excludes people who aren't good at music and football people who aren't good at sport. People can't do everything.
 
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