Mosh pits deemed problematic by Guardianista, should be replaced with safe spaces - Apparently they are toxic masculinity and exclude women, trans people, and people of colour.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/may/05/dance-of-death-are-the-days-of-the-moshpit-numbered

I'll just leave this spergery here shall I.

A few observations:

1. Yes, I have seen women get groped in mosh pits. Usually other heshers in the vicinity punched them out or they were slung out by the bouncers afterwards. Besides, you're less likely to get groped in a mosh pit than you are at some indie show or meat markety nightclub. Most headbanger women can look after themselves anyhow.

2. The most destructive moshers are always the tiny stick-thin girls who just go windmilling in and never, ever, give up.

3. What's being a person of colour got to do with moshing?

4. The article's entire arguments seems to be that women are too fragile and precious to handle moshing. Aside from being factually wrong (women mosh all the time), it's also a bit, you know, sexist, this idea that women are too weak and need to be protected for their own good. Fuck that noise.

 

[cuddle striker]

I'm too old for this shit. my jaw still hurts from a pit from twenty five years ago


wall of death pls

 

[Honeybunny]

If you can't handle the pit, just stay out of it - this has been the rule since the very start

They make even Avril Lavigne seem edgy in comparison.

I'm honestly surprised they didn't shill for G.L.O.S.S, considering

But seriously there are a bunch of great modern punk acts and they decide to shill for something that sounds like watered-down grunge? In what context could this ever pass for punk?

 

[cuddle striker]

Mosh pits that I've seen at festivals and music tours you can easily avoid and despite the look of many of the moshers there always seems to be common courtesy, for example helping up someone who's fallen down.

A safe space might be a good idea for some things though, like parents who bring their small children along thinking what a great idea it'd be to stand right at the front of a huge crowd and then right before the band starts everyone starts pushing forward leading inevitably for a member of security lifting them out to stop them getting crushed although instead of a designated safe space they could just be standing at the back or in the seating area if there is one.

old timer pit etiquette,

no punching
pick up fallen soldiers immediately
take your glasses off, you're better off blind in there
if you see a lost boot pick it up and hold it up above your head until it's claimed
always glance up, catch anyone leaping
chick in the pit means no low punching (they're usually shorter) but you can pummel a midget all you want

at the edge of the pit your job is to pull people out who look fucked up and push people in who act fucked up.


addendum: groping=instant beat down, standing still=instant push

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Yeah, metal chicks do not need your fucking help, thanks, they can handle themselves better than most grown men can.
Half the point of a fucking mosh pit is going in there, getting the piss kicked out of you while drunk off your ass, then coming back with battle scars. It's a time honored tradition, a badge of honor that shows you were there, and people know what they're getting into. If you don't want to mosh, you have every right (and are deeply encouraged) to stay the fuck out of the mosh pit.

old timer pit etiquette,

no punching
pick up fallen soldiers immediately
take your glasses off, you're better off blind in there
if you see a lost boot pick it up and hold it up above your head until it's claimed
always glance up, catch anyone leaping
chick in the pit means no low punching (they're usually shorter) but you can pummel a midget all you want

at the edge of the pit your job is to pull people out who look fucked up and push people in who act fucked up.


addendum: groping=instant beat down, standing still=instant push

These have been the laws of the pit since before Alice Cooper discovered guyliner. Most moshers (by and large) are pretty good about following them.
A sudden discomfort with a beloved tradition by a pack of whimpering pussies does not equate to an obligation on behalf of everyone else to discontinue it.
If you don't like the mosh pit, stay out of it. If you don't want to even be around one, feel free to stay home. You will not be missed.

 

[AnOminous]

I want a safe space free of worthless, joyless cocksuckers who ruin fucking everything.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

I did some research into the writer of this piece. She's deputy editor of Vice, is 25, and a huge fucking hipster. She wouldn't know decent punk or metal from a hole in the ground.

While a student she was, according to her Linkedin, music reviewer for the student union newspaper. She studied English Literature while there.

 

[Wallace]

When the children of helicopter parents that cover the world in bubble-wrap grow up. Are we really that afraid of anything that might cause harm? Or so thirsty for attention that we cry about harm-by-proxy?

 

[Ginger Piglet]

When the children of helicopter parents that cover the world in bubble-wrap grow up. Are we really that afraid of anything that might cause harm? Or so thirsty for attention that we cry about harm-by-proxy?

As a millennial (just about), I'm ashamed of my generation. They use "adulting" as a verb. People on my Facebook feed who I went to school with say unironically that because they've had a job interview that day they've "adulted well" that day.

Gah, fuck off back to Tumblr you barely functional wankpuffins.

 

[Staffy]

Being cringy as most of them are, metalheads don't take lightly to these moral fuckery. They will tear those moralfags and virtual signalers apart. Especially those said cringy ones who are edgy and take the metal genre too seriously so the writer of the article should probably step back.

 

[melty]

No offense, but I seriously wonder how many people who constantly call out subjects as "problematic" and as one form of discrimination or another have an autism spectrum disorder. They're clearly fixated on calling out perceived problems and meticulously categorizing them under a whole bunch of different labels from academia.

They tend to be socially awkward too so you might be on to something.

 

[Ti-99/4A]

Spoiler: Maybe they'd be more comfortable in a different pit.

 

[Munchingonfish]

Spoiler

They make even Avril Lavigne seem edgy in comparison.

I turned this video off when I spotted a guy in the background wearing a Steven Universe shirt.

 

[Maiden-TieJuan]

Old school punks would eat these people.

Seriously. Throw these fucks in a Black Flag, Screeching Weasel, Nuclear Rabbit, or even an old school Static X pit and see who comes out alive. This music isn't even punk anymore, Diet Cig sounds like a watered down version of Smashing Pumpkins or a Millennial version of Hole, without they years of drug abuse to make it cool and edgy.

Girls in the mosh pits back in the hey day of them were mean fuckers. They were worse then the guys, because they didn't pull their punches and nothing was deemed "below the belt". If I had walked out of a pit without at least a fat lip and a dozen bruises I would have been laughed out of the concert.

Screw this coddLing bullshit.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Women are shit in mosh pits unless it's bands for faggots and its full of betas.

Any girl who watched too much Buffy and could hack it because gurlpower~ who proceeded to jump in any decent hardcore or metal show immediately regretted it and never even attempted to again after

 

[TheMightyMonarch]

To be fair, moshpits are gross because they're are a bunch of sweaty bodies together. Plus at risk of sounding like a grandma, it's easy to get hurt.

I don't see how it's racist/sexist/transphobic though.

 

[WW 635]

women shouldn't be allowed outside anyway

You shouldn't be allowed outside. Who tf let you out of the cage again?

 

[DNJACK]

that was @Ride.

 

[DNJACK]

Also @FelineDarkmage @Dynastia @Null @Owo what's this @everyone

 

[WW 635]

that was @Ride.

Are you sure he did it or are you just trying to get @Ride in trouble?

 

[Salted caramel tears]

I can't but feel that what the writer of this lame and stupid article really wants to say is that mosh pits at metal/hardcore shows are bad because straight men like them.

Because while it is indeed not cool that there are shitheads who go around and grope women and teenage girls at music shows. Its stupid that both Metal and Hardcore are being singled out here, when the overwhelmingly vast majority of incidences of where women/teenage girls have been groped have been at hipster music festivals and indie rock shows.