MRA debate

[CatParty]

Mra's are just pussy whiners. It's a good thing they have feminism to blame everything on.

 

[Vitriol]

I really hate not being able to buy my wife or sell my daughter, what's up with that?

Feminisim has generally caused more positive change than negative- MRA's just like to blame it for their own failings. In both advocacy and life generally.

The movement is a staggeringly incompetent embarrassment.

 

[MACH-IV]

I really hate not being able to buy my wife or sell my daughter, what's up with that?

Feminisim has generally caused more positive change than negative- MRA's just like to blame it for their own failings. In both advocacy and life generally.

The movement is a staggeringly incompetent embarrassment.

I'm pretty sure that the men's rights movement isn't about being able to legally purchase and sell women.
And even though I disagree with several aspects of MRA "culture", I wouldn't say the movement has been a complete failure. It's made people more aware of the issues Observer and Jaimas pointed out, which was the point.

 

[Vitriol]

I'm pretty sure that the men's rights movement isn't about being able to legally purchase and sell women.
And even though I disagree with several aspects of MRA "culture", I wouldn't say the movement has been a complete failure. It's made people more aware of the issues Observer and Jaimas pointed out, which was the point.

I was trying to compare the difference between what feminists have accomplished and MRA's and the ridiculous way a lot of MRA's demonize them.

The MRA movement, in my opinion, has done more harm than good- like the SJW's . Their hyperbolic behaviour makes it easier for people to ignore them and makes it harder to get action on the valid issues men face. If we use the shit covered man analogy from another thread- MRA's are that man. No matter how valid a point one makes no one will listen if this guy covered in shit stands next to you and loudly proclaims his agreement.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

I was trying to compare the difference between what feminists have accomplished and MRA's and the ridiculous way a lot of MRA's demonize them.

The MRA movement, in my opinion, has done more harm than good- like the SJW's . Their hyperbolic behaviour makes it easier for people to ignore them and makes it harder to get action on the valid issues men face. If we use the shit covered man analogy from another thread- MRA's are that man. No matter how valid a point one makes no one will listen if this guy covered in shit stands next to you and loudly proclaims his agreement.

I agree in general but I wouldn't say modern western third wave feminists have that much of a better public image compared to MRA's.

Like with your analogy I've seen quite a few female friends being turned off feminism because of it.

 

[MACH-IV]

I was trying to compare the difference between what feminists have accomplished and MRA's and the ridiculous way a lot of MRA's demonize them.

The MRA movement, in my opinion, has done more harm than good- like the SJW's . Their hyperbolic behaviour makes it easier for people to ignore them and makes it harder to get action on the valid issues men face. If we use the shit covered man analogy from another thread- MRA's are that man. No matter how valid a point one makes no one will listen if this guy covered in shit stands next to you and loudly proclaims his agreement.

You have to consider one major difference: there is no SJW equivalent to the MRA movement - the sane and the crazy are both categorized as MRA. If I used Brianna Wu as an example of how stupid feminism is it wouldn't take long for someone to remind me that SJWs aren't a fair representation of the overall feminist movement; SJWs are the crazy ones. If I used Marjan Incel as an example of how stupid MRAs are, people would just agree. Nobody ever gives credit to the positive aspects of the MRA movement, so of course it's going to seem like it's all negative. Most people never took the time to look into what the MRA movement is even about so they believe it really is just virgins pissed off because they can't get laid. You say MRAs have done more harm than good, and I somewhat agree, but I think they were never given a fair chance and never will be given one because the feminists got to write their own narrative on what MRA was "really" about. Criticizing certain aspects of feminism doesn't make someone anti-feminist or misogynistic but for some reason the media makes it seem like it does. It's all fun and games until a woman feels offended, which is why MRA won't ever be seen as anything other than a hate movement.

 

[Vitriol]

I disagree, look at any almost any jessica valenti guardian article and you will see plenty of ordinary people giving MRA type arguments in the comments. There might not be a general name for them but they certainly exist and are widely known to exist. Almost all will be egalitarians.

MRA's gave themself a bad reputation by choosing to fight feminists rather than get lobbying or raising public awareness. People are aware that SJW types are mental control freaks and respond accordingly there is no need to try and engage them it only makes one look as mad as they are.

Most MRA subjects are not even that controversial (fathers rights) a big part of the reason they are ignored is far too many in that community are permitted to spout redpillesque nonsense by their peers.

Change is to be found by uniting with the natural ally that is moderate (most) feminists who are almost always sympathetic, and supporting each other- instead the movement has taken up the same us v them mentality of the SJW's.

 

[Marvin]

You have to consider one major difference: there is no SJW equivalent to the MRA movement - the sane and the crazy are both categorized as MRA. If I used Brianna Wu as an example of how stupid feminism is it wouldn't take long for someone to remind me that SJWs aren't a fair representation of the overall feminist movement; SJWs are the crazy ones. If I used Marjan Incel as an example of how stupid MRAs are, people would just agree. Nobody ever gives credit to the positive aspects of the MRA movement, so of course it's going to seem like it's all negative. Most people never took the time to look into what the MRA movement is even about so they believe it really is just virgins pissed off because they can't get laid. You say MRAs have done more harm than good, and I somewhat agree, but I think they were never given a fair chance and never will be given one because the feminists got to write their own narrative on what MRA was "really" about. Criticizing certain aspects of feminism doesn't make someone anti-feminist or misogynistic but for some reason the media makes it seem like it does. It's all fun and games until a woman feels offended, which is why MRA won't ever be seen as anything other than a hate movement.

Feminism is established. Almost everyone agrees that women got dicked over and it's only recently (past hundred years or so) that we've been able to start working on fixing that. MRA theories are a lot more controversial and might actually attract only crazies. It might not be invalid to paint most MRAs as sexist virgins. (That has yet to be determined.)

 

[CatParty]

Lol calling it a movement when it's just bitching and moaning

 

[Glaive]

Lol calling it a movement when it's just bitching and moaning

Bitching and moaning eh?

Those movements need more fiber to pass properly

 

[CatParty]

M-More like bowel movement

Well it is a bunch of turds stinking up the place

 

[Gensdupays]

All I really can say about this issue is that they chose the wrong fight by going up against feminists directly rather than just giving alternate theories. That's where most of their problems are. There are a few people writing about the changing position of men that manage to think about a lot of things but it's very hard to find stuff that isn't questionable because a big part of the "enemy" movement of feminism is focused on proving them wrong. The fact is that both of these movements now see anyone disagreeing with them as a threat should say something about how strong they actually are.

I usually sum it up as "If your shit truly doesn't stink, why are you so afraid of people trying to smell it?" And that goes for both.

 

[MACH-IV]

MRA's gave themself a bad reputation by choosing to fight feminists rather than get lobbying or raising public awareness.

I agree with that 100%. They chose a terrible way to make their points, and ended up being eaten alive before anything could really be established. The guys posting bitter rants in every comment section possible became the MRA stereotype which is unfortunate because there were plenty of men actually trying to raise awareness in practical ways. I'm going to repost something I wrote in another thread:

MRAs can't really go out and rally support because their entire movement has already been reduced to "bitter misogyny." You wouldn't take an MRA seriously, and honestly, I probably couldn't either. But I am able to understand the issues are being misrepresented and simplified as hateful where there is no hate. Some feminists hate men, some MRAs hate women, etc.
I already posted this video once, but it is a great example of what I am talking about, and shows what happens when "MRAs" go out "advocating."

I also said that there are plenty of successful family men who support MRA issues and got my post rated negatively by about 20 people. That is the problem. You don't see political activism from men's rights supporters because you only look at the worst examples of MRA. Most of the people actually working on these issues don't embrace the MRA title anymore due to all the negative shit associated with it. When a man starts truly understanding the issues, he will find the right places to discuss them. The men you're talking about don't understand the issues, and neither do you.

Do you know how many times i've seen feminists telling men that feminism is a solution to men's issues? I can post several examples on this forum alone. I've seen the "sexism goes two ways, feminism helps both" argument over and over again. If an MRA has ever said that feminism should work to help men as well, they are stupid. Personally, I don't think feminism is bad but it also isn't the magic guiding light that will lead us all into paradise. The people in the above video laugh and ridicule a man looking for answers to questions they could never understand. Talk about a circle jerk.

A group of mostly women and some men stand around angrily screaming "this is what men's rights look like" to nobody, and now that's what men's rights look like.

Feminism is established.

Exactly. Feminism has accomplished a lot of positive changes but there are things it can't fix. Feminism won't be able to solve men's issues, and it shouldn't have to. MRA may have had an autistic beginning, but at least people are starting to understand the issues.

 

[Gensdupays]

It's incredibly bizarre seeing many of the comments on the video in support of MRAs. I disagree that feminism could (or should) try to solve men's issues, and that line of thought I've noticed has been recently abandoned by some feminists, but people still don't want to support even any sort of thinking about men's issues.

There are things to talk about, but the problem is that supporting discussion of this causes pretty much every side to try to muffle it. You get the SJWs who talk about rape apologizing misogynists and you get the other side who just tells fedora jokes. Actually, those might be the uniting force.

 

[HG 400]

So, here's a funny story that explains why I'm a staunch MRA.

I was at a Magic the Gathering tournament and having a p fun time just mingling and meeting new people. I'd memorised some quotes from a yahoo video of Richard Dawkins debating some creationists to use as an icebreaker and they were goin over pretty well. Then I saw it. Let's just call it Mecha-Hambeast. She was at least 160lb of jiggling grotesque fat, like ripples of cottage cheese swelling to escape her woefully undersized slutgarbs. She wore denim shorts far too small for her and a Ranma 1/2 t-shirt (I bet she didn't even know any of Rumiko Takahashi's other work). Pink neon hair and a nose ring, and a gut that loomed monstrous over her belt, vile and gargantuan. She jostled into some poor gentleman because she was clearly clumsy and oafish and couldn't walk properly in her stupid slutty high heels that a person of her size simply shouldn't be wearing in public (or at all). The man turned and said "excuse me" AS IF IT WAS HIS FAULT ALL ALONG. And then she started shrieking at him about the patriarchy. "I HATE YOU, YOU CISHET MALE SCUM" she screamed and started beating down on this poor guy with her hamhock gorilla fists for basically no reason. "I HATE ALL MEN AND I ESPECIALLY HATE WHITE MEN LIKE YOU, YOU'RE RAPING ME YOU OPPRESSOR" as she beat down on him, one fist after another. The poor guy was calling out for help but everyone just stood there and watched and nobody helped him because apparently female privilege is the ability to go around acting like an obnoxious hippo and assaulting people for no reason AND NOBODY CAN STOP YOU. I felt sick to my stomach.

If I had my katana with me things would have ended differently but the judges wouldn't let me into the tournament unless I left it in my mom's car.

 

[Ariel]

So, here's a funny story that explains why I'm a staunch MRA.

I was at a Magic the Gathering tournament and having a p fun time just mingling and meeting new people. I'd memorised some quotes from a yahoo video of Richard Dawkins debating some creationists to use as an icebreaker and they were goin over pretty well. Then I saw it. Let's just call it Mecha-Hambeast. She was at least 160lb of jiggling grotesque fat, like ripples of cottage cheese swelling to escape her woefully undersized slutgarbs. She wore denim shorts far too small for her and a Ranma 1/2 t-shirt (I bet she didn't even know any of Rumiko Takahashi's other work). Pink neon hair and a nose ring, and a gut that loomed monstrous over her belt, vile and gargantuan. She jostled into some poor gentleman because she was clearly clumsy and oafish and couldn't walk properly in her stupid slutty high heels that a person of her size simply shouldn't be wearing in public (or at all). The man turned and said "excuse me" AS IF IT WAS HIS FAULT ALL ALONG. And then she started shrieking at him about the patriarchy. "I HATE YOU, YOU CISHET MALE SCUM" she screamed and started beating down on this poor guy with her hamhock gorilla fists for basically no reason. "I HATE ALL MEN AND I ESPECIALLY HATE WHITE MEN LIKE YOU, YOU'RE RAPING ME YOU OPPRESSOR" as she beat down on him, one fist after another. The poor guy was calling out for help but everyone just stood there and watched and nobody helped him because apparently female privilege is the ability to go around acting like an obnoxious hippo and assaulting people for no reason AND NOBODY CAN STOP YOU. I felt sick to my stomach.

If I had my katana with me things would have ended differently but the judges wouldn't let me into the tournament unless I left it in my mom's car.

Are you freakin serious?
There is scientific evidence to back up the FACT that being fat is perfectly healthy http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1160579/

I checked your twitter and saw this, wow, just WOW!

Post scriptum: Maybe women would like you more if you took off the trench coat, put away the katakana and stopped fapping to fast jets having fire sex

Spoiler

also stop shilling your patreon in chat! We all know the link is patreon.com/dynastiaMRAbrony

 

[EI 903]

chimp confirmed for Mecha-Hambeast.

 

[CatParty]

But MUH men's rights #gamergate

 

[HG 400]

Well, it's not often that a female thinks she can take me on in reasonable rational debate without an army of her beta-orbiting white knights backing her up and this is probably not the case here. Nevertheless I am a man of honor and therefore if the gauntlet has been thrown down it's my duty to respond.

Are you freakin serious?
There is scientific evidence to back up the FACT that being fat is perfectly healthy http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1160579/

This is false, and all scientific evidence proves. Your FEELS do not overcome my REALS so I'm not even going to respond in depth to this shameful and intellectually dishonest claim.

I checked your twitter and saw this, wow, just WOW!

Wow okay, first of all doxxing is a federal crime as registered under the criminal code of internet law. So strike #1, you just doxxed me. Second of all, if you had the willpower to drop your flabby hambeast weight, you'd have also had the willpower to check the rest of my timeline for logic and facts and would no longer be in an MRA thread spreading your vile and cancerous feminist well-poisoning against hardworking and decent men who maybe don't want to come home from work to find a dressed-up landwhale trying to take their kids away and steal alimony from them, okay?

Post scriptum: Maybe women would like you more if you took off the trench coat, put away the katakana

I have to stop you here, katakana is a Japanese script utilised for the transliteration of foreign words, names and concepts 1 whilst a katana is a Japanese sword of master craftsmanship, generally considered to be the greatest sword ever designed and capable of cutting through solid steel. Interesting fact, Japanese smiths would measure their swords by how many bandits the sword could chop through in one swing. 2. Now that you've been told the difference I trust you won't be making this xenophobic and ignorant mistake again.

and stopped fapping to fast jets having fire sex

Spoiler

also stop shilling your patreon in chat! We all know the link is patreon.com/dynastiaMRAbrony

This is just kinkshaming pure and simple. I thought you sjw feels-before-reals neon-haired harpies were against kink shaming but oh right, that only applies when it's one of your own kind fucking 8 guys, catching genital herpes and then taking away a good honest mans kids in the divorce settlement. She can't be criticized, ever. No, but shaming a man for his NATURAL and HEALTHY sex drive is a high sport to you goddamn people, isn't it?

 

[Ariel]

OH MY GOD THIS IS SO TRIGGERING!!!!!!!