My Advice: Stop Jacking Off - Warning: Moralistic Sperging

[The Ugly One]

I'm pretty confused as to how people become addicted to porn. How can you devote more than ten minutes a day to jacking off? Save the marathon sessions for when you're actually fucking,

If you can't git 'er done in two pumps, your day isn't busy enough.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Technically it was the spilling of the seed that was his crime against god

No, it was his breach of his familial duties. It was law that, if a man died without an heir, his brother had to provide one in order to care for his widow. The Bible is filled with stories of God striking or punishing men for refusal to care for their families, or for refusing care to widows and orphans. It is retarded to make this one instance suddenly be about masturbation, when the very same passage makes it explicitly clear that his sin was the refusal to give his brother's widow a son.

 

[Spud]

No, it was his breach of his filial duties. It was law that, if a man died without an heir, his brother had to provide one in order to care for his widow.

To which he tried but he didn't finish inside her, he pulled out and was punished for it.

It is retarded to make this one instance suddenly be about masturbation

No one did retard you assumed it

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

if you stop masturbating, how will you make that sick, sick cum fairy cash? you just put your semen under your pillow and when you wake up in the morning, there's quarters there - dollar dollar bills over time, trust me

 

[My Name is Ed]

if you stop masturbating, how will you make that sick, sick cum fairy cash? you just put your semen under your pillow and when you wake up in the morning, there's quarters there - dollar dollar bills over time, trust me

The cum fairy isn't real, it's just your parents stealing your cum to make you happy.

They keep dodging the question when I ask what they did with it though.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Man, not even Old Testament God punished anyone severely for jerking off. You just had to sacrifice a small bird if made a stain in your pants before sundown or something like that.

Apart from maybe that one guy in Genesis getting smited for nutting out of spite (for different reasons), masturbation isn't a real big deal in the Good Book.

 

[teriyakiburns]

No one did retard you assumed it

It being brought up as a specific reason to stop wanking, in a thread about how op thinks wanking is bad, is somehow me just assuming things. Ok.

People bring up "the sin of Onan" as a biblical justification for their stance against masturbation all the time. It's even euphemised as onanism by old prudes who want to project their lack of self control onto others. I'm not assuming shit, I'm arguing against an ahistorical use of a cherry-picked passage, which is used to justify a position that is not found anywhere in the scriptures.

Onan was punished for refusing to give his sister in law a child. If he had simply refused to sleep with her at all, the punishment would have been similar.

 

[ITK]

Man, not even Old Testament God punished anyone severely for jerking off. You just had to sacrifice a small bird if made a stain in your pants before sundown or something like that.

Apart from maybe that one guy in Genesis getting smited for nutting out of spite (for different reasons), masturbation isn't a real big deal in the Good Book.

Yeah that theology came rather with the New Testament. The Law of Christ, as opposed to the Law of Moses, is more restrictive when it comes to sexual acts. The Law of Moses allowes divorce and polygyny, while the Law of Christ introduces celibacy. Lust is plainly condemned in the New Testament, for instance here:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
-Matthew 5:28

@ToroidalBoat is correct that involuntary arousal doesn't count for this, but masturbation is a voluntary participation in lust. This doesn't only apply to married men either, there is no indication of that.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Man, not even Old Testament God punished anyone severely for jerking off.

I wonder just how many young men in this world have worried that they were gonna be damned to hell for just doing something pretty much every guy does. Or how many guys throughout history were severely punished by their fanatical parents when they were caught.

@ToroidalBoat is correct that involuntary arousal doesn't count for this, but masturbation is a voluntary participation in lust.

Voluntary or not, mere arousal was not what was meant by the original Greek that got translated to "lust" there. The "lust" in that verse - that's been used to demonize healthy sexuality for so long - means an intense longing. An actual desire to commit adultery.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

nothing like a good goon sesh with the bros.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Voluntary or not, mere arousal was not what was meant by the original Greek that got translated to "lust" there. The "lust" in that verse - that's been used to demonize healthy sexuality for so long - means an intense longing. An actual desire to commit adultery.

So basically nutting isn't bad, it's cheating on your lover that's bad (which is a view I agree more since that seriously damages trust and lives).

 

[Slimy Time]

Got you fam, stop jerking off, start fucking, become trad, become....Ethan Ralph.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

So basically nutting isn't bad, it's cheating on your lover that's bad (which is a view I agree more since that seriously damages trust and lives).

Yep, and being in a mindset where one "covets" cheating on one's lover is also bad. I think Christ had to say that thing on committing adultery in one's heart because a guy could be like "I didn't commit adultery" because they didn't actually do it, yet he still wanted to.

Also I think the demonizing of sex as inherently "dirty" in Western culture could be related to a notion that the ideal state is to part with the "carnal lusts of the flesh" and become a "pure being". One can even see that idea in science fiction where an alien race evolves into "pure energy" beings. Or in the 18th century when some thought angels were "pure thought" beings. Or among modern woke technophiles who think people are going to be "mind uploaded" and also think sexuality is "dehumanizing".

 

[ITK]

Voluntary or not, mere arousal was not what was meant by the original Greek that got translated to "lust" there. The "lust" in that verse - that's been used to demonize healthy sexuality for so long - means an intense longing. An actual desire to commit adultery.

In my opinion you are being a bit ridiculous focusing on strict definitions instead of the spirit of the law, so to speak, of the text and what it implies for masturbation, but if you want some massive autism on Koine Greek, sure. The word for lust there is ἐπιθυμέω (epithyméō), the definitions for you can see here.

Strong's Concordance: desire, lust after
HELPS: what a person truly yearns for; to "greatly desire to do or have something – 'to long for, to desire very much' "
NAS: desire, lust after
Thayer's: to set one's heart upon) to have a desire for, long for; absolutely, to desire (A. V. lust"), James 4:2; to lust after, covet
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: covet, desire, lust after.

Related is ἐπιθυμία (epithūmíā) which means

Definition: desire, passionate longing, lust
Usage: desire, eagerness for, inordinate desire, lust.
passion, desire, lust
From epithumeo; a longing (especially for what is forbidden) -- concupiscence, desire, lust (after).

Also sexual desire.
It's used in plenty of other places in the Bible to refer to lust, for instance Romans 1:24: "
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." Desires is ἐπιθυμίαις (epithymiais). Later in Romans 1:26 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones," Paul uses πάθη (pathē) for these lusts. Romans 1:27 "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." Lust: ὀρέξει (orexei), which is probably closer to modern English "arousal" because it has connotations of appetite and excitement of the mind. He uses these terms synonymously here.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

In my opinion you are being a bit ridiculous focusing on strict definitions instead of the spirit of the law, so to speak, of the text and what it implies for masturbation, but if you want some massive autism on Koine Greek, sure. The word for lust there is ἐπιθυμέω (epithyméō), the definitions for you can see here.

Those definitions seem to support what I said anyway, and the "spirit of the law" there does seem to be intending to commit adultery, not all sexual arousal.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

So basically nutting isn't bad, it's cheating on your lover that's bad (which is a view I agree more since that seriously damages trust and lives).

What the God squad is missing and overlooking out of convenience is that the New Testament is very vocally anti marriage and family as well; and it aligns in early church practice wherein was practice among the first Christians not to breed or prepare for the future because God is coming before the last of their generation dies. Its very clear in the Gospels when Jesus states he has come not to bring peace and will set family members against one another and anyone who does not hate their family cannot be his disciple.

The Pauline Epistles are usually dated from 50AD onwards, with Jesus' death between 30-33AD (his age is a point of contention as his year of birth ranges between 6-4BC). Considering the average life span at that time was between 20-33 years the author appears to be only of those who swiftly realised this wasn't going to work and it needed to backtrack.

It's why "Paul" says you can take a wife if you really, really must but everywhere else in the NT and Early Church Oral Tradition is emphatic that sex even within marriage is yucky and needs to be stopped. One of the very telling signs of this is as late as 325AD at the Council of Nicea, Christian men who had been castrated were forbidden to be clergy (they were interestingly not forbidden to be married) and there's quite a good deal of evidence concerning how castration was encouraged due to what was read as Jesus' seeming endorsement of it in Matthew 19:12. Some, like the Valesians, went further and reguarly crop up in the notes of the authorities for forcibly castration other Christians and non believer men because the word now more reguarly translated as "Celibacy" in Matthew 19:12 actually literally reads as "Eunuch". Though "Paul", whoever he was wrote in the first century, this work was not chosen as Canon until three centuries later when it became expident to do so.

That trend continues today, with sources such as Our Lady of Fatima declaring that almost all Catholics are also going to hell for Sins of the Flesh nevermind the unbelievers.

To answer @Isaac earlier in the thread. It's not that we don't understand; we usually understand the context better than many belivers and its why we think they're fucking unhinged.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

To which he tried but he didn't finish inside her, he pulled out and was punished for it.

“Judah said to Onan, ‘Join with your brother’s wife and do your duty by her as a brother-in-law, and provide offspring for your brother.’ But Onan, knowing that the seed would not count as his, let it go to waste (spilt it on the ground) whenever he joined with his brother’s wife, so as not to provide offspring for his brother. What he did was displeasing to the Lord, and God took his life also.” (Genesis 38.8-10)

In the current time, we'd say something like "Onan didn't want to be cucked", but at the time, the importance of maintaining a family bloodline was very important in Hebrew tradition, so Onan committed the sin of pride by holding himself above his brother, to the point where he wanted to have his woman all to himself and not let his dead brother have any descendants.

In short, Onan a bitch, and he died like one.

 

[ITK]

Those definitions seem to support what I said anyway, and the "spirit of the law" there does seem to be intending to commit adultery, not all sexual arousal.

It can mean yearning or setting one's heart to, but also simply desire or lust, and has meant that in the Bible. I think drawing an arbitrary line in the sand between the voluntary engorging of the sexual appetite leading up to orgasm and epithūmíā is entierly artificial and absent from the original text. No, you can't go around lusting after women, and then jerking off to them. The same, of course, applies to fantasies. Concupiscence is inherent in all sexual acts.

*snip*

This is wrong to a degree. The Bible isn't anti-marriage at all. Paul does, however, place celibacy above marriage ("For I would that all men were even as I myself"). Which again goes back to masturbation. A religion which puts up Holy Virginity as a religious ideal is unlikely permit it. You must interpret each individual passage through the lens of the whole of the book. And what the Bible clearly puts forth, is an ascetical philosophy of liberation from base passions such as lust. How would masturbation fit into that scheme?

 

[Scolopendra Dramatica]

Shit lads, your sex drives must be a fucking bastard to live with sometimes. I see a lot of posts like this and it never fails to boggle the mind, porn is like heroin for some of you poor sods.

You're spot on though, no woman wants a porn addled coomer. Young women might tolerate it, but any broad with half a backbone and a couple of brain cells to knock together don't want that shit. Porn fucks with your perception and ability to fuck; chronic coomers are shit in bed.

If my choice is between growing old with a porn addict as the father of my children or an army of cats, I'm wearing my cat piss au de toilet with pride. I'll make old lady drinking friends at Bingo.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's not that we don't understand; we usually understand the context better than many belivers and its why we think they're fucking unhinged.

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In any case, the literal sense of the Bible is full of contradictions and issues.

(Like the issues with the Great Flood story or Revelation stories being literal.)