Careercow Narcissa Wright / Cosmo Wright - Former speedrunner tumbling down

[Gazed too deep]

Thank you so much for putting it in terms my overcaffinated brain was incapable of doing.

 

[Captain Fish 2.0]

Those star count examples directly equate to well defined and major points in Super Mario 64 and as such are accepted in the speedrunning community as "valid" categories that runners compete in. Technically, if you wanted to, you could do an "84 star" star run and end up having the de facto world record because it's a category that doesn't exist and is something you made up just to claim that you had a record.

Another way to put this too is - most people will do these type of categories that don't matter(Consider Ocarina of Time Child Dungeons or Ocarina of Time Any% No IM/WW) simply because they can't do anything else. They don't have the skill to be competitive in a better category, nor the ability to do the tricks that the legitimate categories require.

In my opinion, it's an incredibly casual way to speedrun. Which is fine! Except Narcissa believes they are a g o d at speedrunning and the ultimate, bestest, queen of it all. Clearly, not true.

 

[keksz]

@wagglyplacebo: here's a better explanation about categories than the ones I skimmed through here. Other than that I'll just add that it's similar to how basketball is a single sport but you have different leagues - one for juniors, other for para-athletes and then the NBA and whatever else.

In speedrunning, they're just different ways to approach the same games - a any% run can be done in 1 minute while a glitchless run can take 10 hours depending on the game, while 100% runs (glitched or glitchless) can be entirely different experiences on their own. Each category is its own way to run a game, with the added "benefit" (for the runners themselves) of each being enough of a microcosm that it creates enough space for every decent runner to hold a world record at some point in time since a single game can have anywhere from 5 to 10 different categories.

Popular games will have more categories as new glitches and strategies come up and just the number of people competing will also organically create pressure for more categories as everyone wants to be a world record holder. From my understanding, what Narco is doing is creating a category that no one else plays in or cares about without as much as a good justification over why it should be an independent category or whether anyone agrees with him or not that it deserves to be its own category. He's doing what the speedrunning community normally does in a self-serving way but he's doing it with 100% more autism and dropping all the facade of reason that runners usually employ when they want to create their new category which they'll likely hold the world record for.

It would be the same as me creating a world record of most KF posts using a Scatman John avatar - even though that makes no sense as a competition and I'm the only one in it. But hey, I win, neat!

 

[Darksydepickle]

It never ceases to amaze just how far he went off the deep end. How much his psyche... broke.

He seemed like a normal chap, an awkward nerd if anything, but nothing exceptional. And now he´s turned into this thing that has to make up categories to inflate his ego. There´s already been 62 pages to process the change but it´s so... surreal?

 

[Koochiching]

Another way to put this too is - most people will do these type of categories that don't matter(Consider Ocarina of Time Child Dungeons or Ocarina of Time Any% No IM/WW) simply because they can't do anything else. They don't have the skill to be competitive in a better category, nor the ability to do the tricks that the legitimate categories require.

In my opinion, it's an incredibly casual way to speedrun. Which is fine! Except Narcissa believes they are a g o d at speedrunning and the ultimate, bestest, queen of it all. Clearly, not true.

There are serious and respected speedrunners who run so-called "meme" categories that are unconventional (for examples in the Pokemon speedrunning community which I'm most familiar with, there's Shenanagans' various gen 1 categories, Exarion's Mareep%, and Werster's All Gold Symbols run), but there tend to be a couple common threads that make these categories work:

1. The speedrunner puts in extra effort by trying to make the run informative about the specific unconventional skills and strategies that make their "meme" runs possible, and typically entertaining and humorous to watch.
2. The category itself is humorous, usually in the weird specificity of the requirements (Mareep%, where the objective is to complete Pokemon Gold using a Mareep; as well as Ocarina of Time Dank%, where the objective is to use a burning deku stick to make it look as if Link were hitting a phat blunt).
3. The speedrunner doesn't use the "meme" run for bragging rights (for example, saying "lol i have a world record" when he's literally the only person running that category). I don't know if Werster has done this re his All Gold Symbols run or Pokemon Stadium and Stadium 2 Any% runs, but I'd give him a pass on this, if only because each of those runs is literally about 20 hours of continuous and laser-focused gameplay.

Wanda hasn't been entertaining in years and the vacant look on his face doesn't give me any information about this trick or that glitch, "all main quests" is a generic requirement that doesn't hold a candle to, for example, Shenanagans' Reverse Badge Acquisition, and he's nevertheless trying to use this run for bragging rights not only on Reddit but also on Twatter. That behaviour should not be expected of the speedrunning legend Wanda once was and still claims to be.

 

[AlmightyMagichan]

Exactly what category is Narcissa running on botw? There's already 9 different ones on speedrun.com

 

[Whetfahrt Cheesebörger]

Exactly what category is Narcissa running on botw? There's already 9 different ones on speedrun.com

All Main Quests/Master Mode/No Amiibo/Switch. And here's the only leaderboard for this particular category, plus the arbitrary ruleset.

 

[Gazed too deep]

All Main Quests/Master Mode/No Amiibo/Switch. And here's the only leaderboard for this particular category, plus the arbitrary ruleset.

Okay, so on speedruns.com, that was the "extended" version of the "All Main Quests" category that yeah, only had one entry, that Narcissa seems to have beaten... only to have someone else beat her world record already based on the link provided. I'd wager that her run isn't optimized as all hell, and that the moment a serious autist decides to give this a try, that record would get obliterated even harder. But from what I can tell, BOTW isn't a popular game to run on account of it's length. According to speedruns.com, even splatoon 2, a game that's primarily known for it's multiplayer content, has more active runners.

 

[Xerxes IX]

Using Super Mario 64 as a reference, I was going to say a better analogy would be a category for all course selection stars...but lo and behold, it's a real category. (This is Chris, the guy who ran SMG at AGDQ 2018 by the way.)

This comment on Chris' run sums up what Narcissa's doing though:

 

[Luigi]

Okay, so on speedruns.com, that was the "extended" version of the "All Main Quests" category that yeah, only had one entry, that Narcissa seems to have beaten... only to have someone else beat her world record already based on the link provided. I'd wager that her run isn't optimized as all hell, and that the moment a serious autist decides to give this a try, that record would get obliterated even harder. But from what I can tell, BOTW isn't a popular game to run on account of it's length. According to speedruns.com, even splatoon 2, a game that's primarily known for it's multiplayer content, has more active runners.

I think it's not really that bad to run a game like splatoon because the singleplayer content is shorter and allows more improvement early on, while longer runs need more work to get close to perfection

 

[whatever I feel like]

BotW is only 40 min. long at the base completion percent. That's not long.

 

[Guy Smiley]

BotW is only 40 min. long at the base completion percent. That's not long.

Yeah, you can leave the tutorial area and immediately head right over to where the final boss is and kill him if you want to. It's really difficult, though, because you have virtually no weapons and no hearts.

 

[PLB]

Theres a difference between playing a dumb category and actually working on it so your run is competitive even if not many people/anyone else runs it and picking a category just because you know no one else will run it and you can get a wr for the attention from people who arent even a part of the speedrunning community. One of those is hard and will get you pretty much no recognition and the other is pretty easy and can get you attention.

 

[Georges St. Pierre]

Honestly listening to him on his streams, even though he is still trantastic, he sounds and talks much, much more like his Cosmo-self than he did before. He has all but completely dropped his "fem"-voice aside from a slight lisp at the end of sentences, is much more lively in his conversing as opposed to just... sitting there in his filth. Maybe he isn't taking his meds as much or the phase is starting to die. I know its as fuck to suggest it, but maybe Cosmo is starting to have an inkling of self-awareness return to him and the seed has been planted that maybe going full troon because of a break-up wasn't exactly worth it.

Hahahaha.. ha... ohhhhh man, was I wrong about THAT one! Yeesh.... what a failure.

 

[womenslefts]

she invented her own category

 

[Orc Girls Make Due]

Another way to put this too is - most people will do these type of categories that don't matter(Consider Ocarina of Time Child Dungeons or Ocarina of Time Any% No IM/WW) simply because they can't do anything else. They don't have the skill to be competitive in a better category, nor the ability to do the tricks that the legitimate categories require.

In my opinion, it's an incredibly casual way to speedrun. Which is fine! Except Narcissa believes they are a g o d at speedrunning and the ultimate, bestest, queen of it all. Clearly, not true.

It's exactly when it comes to terms of creating a new category come into question, because if he was making anew category to be competitive with people at-- He would've made such clear. But no, instantly claiming WR and not allowing or making rule sets clear, doesn't exactly tell for good waters. It's the same reason I have a record in a game, however-- I leave the rule sets in the video, and encourage people to challenge the time, etc. Which a couple people have.

 

[Medley]

Wow Cosmo has turned into such a wretched faggot. The only ones worse than him are those who Pat his useless ass all day

 

[Bryan Dunn]

So basically Cosmo did a favor to the ZSR community: they still largely keep their same domain name (really http://zelda.speedruns.com is beyond boss) and they're merging their leaderboards with the wider speedruns.com, which apparently was an issue for a while now. All of that without losing anything server-side (since Cosmo had no access to that) and just having to find a new domain!

Thanks Cosmo! It's fitting that your very last inch of involvement with the community was a huge failure (from your point of view) and ended up benefiting everyone else involved instead, without as much as 24 hours of downtime or anything of value being lost! Good job!!

Hope you dont mind, I used your summarized post in my breakdown video on the ZSR vs Cosmo events.
You can check it out if you wanna see it fam.

 

[keksz]

Not at all, thanks for the pingback

 

[Bryan Dunn]

Not at all, thanks for the pingback

it was a good summary of things that went down. I was surprised how during Twin galaxies shakedown(and the Spedrunners community as a whole) this really wasn't talked about. A defunked former glory runner tries to hijack and hostage an entire subsection of a community he helped found. Just the Irony alone was astounding to me