NASCAR Discussion - Sperg out about four left turns here

[Mikoyan]

I'm pretty sure most of the lapsed fans are also white male rednecks, and we all know what the suits running Nascar think about them.

While they do indeed hate the 'neck, most lapsed nascar fans I've talked to require one thing before they'd consider coming back: The Return of Dale Earnhardt.

 

[A.P. Hill]

The site took my wall of text down because of the crash, and I'm not going to write it again.

TL;DR- I went to Bristol last weekend where it was announced that the Dirt Disaster will not be returning. Big cheer from the crowd. Reddit did not take the loss of one of their beloved gimmick races well, though, despite trumpeting for years that anyone who didn't like schedule changes was stuck in the past and was probably a white supremacist too.

Between this, the Indy oval coming back, Chicagoland set to return, and the Roval maybe not being long for this world, it seems like Nascar management may have actually learned that endless gimmick races are just as bad as changing nothing year-to-year, and it's better to make fewer changes if they're ones that actually align with the sport's identity and history. Milwaukee, the Fairgrounds, and Montreal are all new additions to the schedule that I can support, because they're actually race tracks and not memes. And if Nascar really must have a street course now, Montreal fits the bill technically, even if it's only a street course in the sense that it's a purpose-built race track that happens to be open to the public during the year.

Sadly, it looks like next year's Nascar changes may kill the Indy date at Texas, immediately after it had one of the best races ever, and right when they're about to get another oval on the schedule too. It looks like SMI has no intention to let Indy rent out a track to replace it, even though Kentucky is just sitting being a parking lot.

 

[TVB]

Given the really questionable decisions Nascar has done as a company, I would not be surprised if they end up axing a lot of street dates for Indy 500.

 

[Mikoyan]

the Dirt Disaster will not be returning

I've been out of town for work and stuff, didn't hear this. Fucking GREAT. They want to do dirt, go put the Clash at Eldora or something.

I'm literally not sure if I'll go to the Cup part of the tripleheader weekend (if it happens again) with it on the oval, just because I bet it'll be a mobscene.

axing a lot of street dates for Indy 500.

...you mean the Brickyard 400?

 

[TVB]

...you mean the Brickyard 400?

Yes

 

[A.P. Hill]

Continuing my back-to-back track visit weekends, I was in attendance at the Shame of the South this past Sunday and I am pleased to report that Bubba Wallace has once again choked with literally everything going in his favor. He had Nascar turning a blind eye to his obviously cheated up rocketship, a track and package that makes it impossible to pass in dirty air, meaning all he needed to do was stay in the lead, and he even got one of those bizarre strokes of luck he always seems to get thanks to Mr. Hey Nigger overdriving it with 18 to go and wrecking. And he still lost! For the second time in a row, Nascar has tried to hand their golden boy the victory on a silver platter to shut those dirty rednecks up, and he still couldn't do it!

I would feel for him if he was literally anyone other than Bubba Wallace.

Predictably, he was booed at the track, which made me get to thinking. There are different types of heels in Nascar. There's people like Kyle Busch or Denny Hamlin who actively enjoy pissing the crowd off, there's guys like Jimmie Johnson and Joey Logano and now Grandbaby Ty who don't go out of their way to antagonize the crowds, but don't seem to care when they get booed, and then there's Bubba. He acts like he's trying to be a heel, but you can tell that the fans booing him hurts his feelings, so his "bad guy antics" come across the same way as Keffals tweeting out a "Ha, I trolled you chuds good! I made you so mad!" thread when the internet makes fun of him for saying something stupid.

The sad part is that none of this needed to happen. I'm old enough to remember a time when a young Bubba got cheered in the truck series at Charlotte, because he was a local boy and most of the people in the stands had also seen him nearly get arrested at Bowman Gray. If he had the same career path as Martin Truex, where he struggled along for years and then a big team comes along and signs him because they see something in him and he finally gets to the top of the sport, then he would honestly be beloved. But that's not what happened. Instead, he decided to race grift, noosegate happened, a Famous Sports Nigga started his own team and signed Bubba because he was black, and Nascar starts pushing him as their new golden boy. So he gets booed. Not all of it is his fault- he's the most visible symbol of the way that the suits that run Nascar hate their own fans, and it's easier to boo him than it is to find a chance to boo Steve Phelps or Ben Kennedy. But some of the hate he gets is definitely self-inflicted. Not only is he astroturfed and beloved by corporate, but he's also a fake personality. And Nascar fans might be rednecks, but they sure ain't stupid, and nothing makes someone madder than getting insulted by someone that they pay money to.

 

[Mikoyan]

Mr. Hey Nigger overdriving it with 18 to go and wrecking

He did the same thing in his own sprint car race last night. I like Kyle but guy's pretty good at throwing it away sometimes.

 

[TVB]

He did the same thing in his own sprint car race last night. I like Kyle but guy's pretty good at throwing it away sometimes.

Part of me wants to feel bad for Kyle last night, but another part of me wishes he should stop stroking his ego

 

[Mikoyan]

Part of me wants to feel bad for Kyle last night, but another part of me wishes he should stop stroking his ego

It's nice to see him give back with that series.

I may've said it here before but I'm always conflicted when he goes and takes people's lunch money at high buck dirt events. Because that's their lunch money. His car's covered in big sponsors and I bet his engines get bolted together by the Hendrick shop, he dosn't need the money. It's undoubtedly good for the tracks and promoters though.

Also they had Junior there last night and it was apparently the first time he'd ever seen sprint cars? Geez.

 

[Mikoyan]

Harvick DQed just to twist the knife further. Well then.

 

[A.P. Hill]

Schedule is out, Iowa is in, and sadly the Roval and the Chicago meme race are sticking around for one more year. It still seems like Ben Kennedy wants to have a dirt race no matter how much of a shitshow it'll be. I don't care if they have one, just please don't make it for points. These cars were never meant to run on mud and they weren't for four decades. They're not meant to make right turns on city streets either.

 

[Mikoyan]

Laughing at all the people this week who've been TOTALLY CERTAIN the roval was gone.

I just dislike that they're letting the Brickyard 400 happen again with no change in the stonewalling they do with Indycar on the SMI/ISC tracks.

 

[A.P. Hill]

Laughing at all the people this week who've been TOTALLY CERTAIN the roval was gone.

I just dislike that they're letting the Brickyard 400 happen again with no change in the stonewalling they do with Indycar on the SMI/ISC tracks.

I'm kinda shocked by just how weak Roger Penske's position is in relation to Nascar. He couldn't get one oval for one year out of the Brickyard 400? Were Nascar seriously going to pack up and leave if they didn't get everything they wanted?

Also, Nascar announcing a date at Iowa less than a month after the doubleheader, and looking like they're doing everything possible to have a monopoly on oval racing in America...

In other news, after racing three years in the trucks with the best teams and having nothing to show for it, Hailie Deegan has failed upwards into a full-time Xfinity ride. At this point, I can't count out the possibility of her having a Danica-lite Cup career. If Riley Herbst can somehow make it, she probably will too.

 

[Mikoyan]

I'm kinda shocked by just how weak Roger Penske's position is in relation to Nascar. He couldn't get one oval for one year out of the Brickyard 400? Were Nascar seriously going to pack up and leave if they didn't get everything they wanted?

Also, Nascar announcing a date at Iowa less than a month after the doubleheader, and looking like they're doing everything possible to have a monopoly on oval racing in America...

In other news, after racing three years in the trucks with the best teams and having nothing to show for it, Hailie Deegan has failed upwards into a full-time Xfinity ride. At this point, I can't count out the possibility of her having a Danica-lite Cup career. If Riley Herbst can somehow make it, she probably will too.

I didn't realize until people theorized about it on Racer how much of a power move the Iowa thing is. It's not great.

And Roger - some say he wants the TV fee and good relations for the Cup team but he has to leverage IMS at some point to get not even a 'better deal' but anything at all for Indycar.

And I think it behooves NASCAR to play too, at some point the stonewalling of SMI/ISC tracks to Indycar is going to become a monopoly issue as lothe as the government is to bring sports into that.

Whatever, I'm already planning to go to Milwaukee Indycar next year and not to the Brickyard 400.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Hailie Deegan

It's funny. I remember a time when everyone was licking her clit as the next biggest star in racing and *gasp* a woman!

Then there was that really fucking weird clip of her arguing with Paul Tracy while they both raced at SRX and then she fell off the face of the planet.

It's concerning that she's being rewarded for a constant fuck-up. But then again, it's NASCAR and it's not the first time.

I do hope she flops as badly as Danica when she inevitably hits the Cup scene. Including trying to wreck someone but failing so spectacularly that she wrecked herself.

 

[Mikoyan]

If Riley Herbst can somehow make it

This is particularly funny today even if your point stands.

 

[A.P. Hill]

This is particularly funny today even if your point stands.

Terrible Herbst won a race and dominated? The end of the world must be near.

Seriously, I don't understand what Reddit sees in this guy. He's the less talented version of Ty Dillon. I would consider getting a single win after five years of driving in top-tier Xfinity equipment with nothing to show for it to be extremely sad and they're acting like he won the Super Bowl.

Also, Bubba's running his usual 15th place now that Toyota has no incentive to cheat him up anymore.

 

[Mikoyan]

Terrible Herbst won a race and dominated? The end of the world must be near.

Seriously, I don't understand what Reddit sees in this guy. He's the less talented version of Ty Dillon. I would consider getting a single win after five years of driving in top-tier Xfinity equipment with nothing to show for it to be extremely sad and they're acting like he won the Super Bowl.

Also, Bubba's running his usual 15th place now that Toyota has no incentive to cheat him up anymore.

And his greatest nemesis won. Woooo.

 

[A.P. Hill]

It's the Kyle Larson cycle. He wins one week and pulls a 75 IQ move the next one.

 

[Mikoyan]

It's the Kyle Larson cycle. He wins one week and pulls a 75 IQ move the next one.

Kinda is. After the Joe Gibbs Double, I was hoping for Total Toyota Death but I didn't quite get it. Enh, close enough.