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Mikoyan said:
Not having watched yet, I'm not sure - as much as I hate the France family - that it's their fault. I don't think it's people worried about NASCAR (other than the current trend of blatantly wrecking people being okay until you _say_ you did), it's people worried about sponsor fallout.

The trust fund kids are a huge problem though. You can't make it without already being rich, and that's the fuckin' worst. I don't know how you fix either problem, sadly. It's not like you can show up with a car you pieced together and no sponsor and persevere through sheer moxie - I'm specifically thinking of Lake Speed at Daytona in 85 but there are others.
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This problem is pretty universal in racing nowadays. You seriously can't advance from local level competitions unless you somehow win the lottery and get sponsored by say, Red Bull or you already are born with a silver spoon and daddy is willing to fund your international karting ventures for 5 years as a kid. I blame A: The death of Cig and Beer sponsors and B: Racing simply not having the advertising potential it used to have.
 
The Grognard said:
This problem is pretty universal in racing nowadays. You seriously can't advance from local level competitions unless you somehow win the lottery and get sponsored by say, Red Bull or you already are born with a silver spoon and daddy is willing to fund your international karting ventures for 5 years as a kid. I blame A: The death of Cig and Beer sponsors and B: Racing simply not having the advertising potential it used to have.
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Correct, totally. I usually talk about those.

And wowee. Slap just posted a video about a fair amount of the stuff wrong, including pay drivers.

 
DenseDeerFather said:
And everyone's favorite, Brian France!
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Maybe it's not Brian himself but the way that Nascar manages. 5 years after he's been forced out, all his gimmicks are still present and the sanctioning body continues to bury its head in the sand and act like every decision management makes is the greatest thing ever (low HP, Chicago, their love affair with Bubba Wallace and ESG, etc.) while still hitting drivers with the dreaded Actions Detrimental for anything that doesn't tow the party line. At times their insistence that the sport is doing better than ever makes them sound like Soviet officials trumpeting record harvests in the face of an objective famine.

Slap raised a really good point in his video that the sport has always been run in a very draconian way- it's either you comply with management or you take a hike. It worked for Big Bill because the sport still had some legitimacy. It didn't work for Brian and it isn't working for Phelps, Kennedy and O'Donnell because the dam has crumbled through all the gimmicky rule changes, blatant race manipulation, and favoritism. The mask has been ripped off and it's blatant that management is just burying their heads in the sand and expecting that no matter how stupid Nascar gets, people will still watch. The irony of doing that is that they're repeating the exact same mistakes Vince McMahon did in the nineties.
The Grognard said:
This problem is pretty universal in racing nowadays. You seriously can't advance from local level competitions unless you somehow win the lottery and get sponsored by say, Red Bull or you already are born with a silver spoon and daddy is willing to fund your international karting ventures for 5 years as a kid. I blame A: The death of Cig and Beer sponsors and B: Racing simply not having the advertising potential it used to have.
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It's very sad that Ross Chastain, someone who actually worked his way up from living on a farm and racing late models in his spare time, is someone unique among the drivers. That was everyone three decades ago. Despite what Nascar management would have you believe (see above), the vast majority of fans are still hillbillies and they just can't identify with some rich kid PR robot.
 
A.P. Hill said:
It's very sad that Ross Chastain, someone who actually worked his way up from living on a farm and racing late models in his spare time, is someone unique among the drivers. That was everyone three decades ago. Despite what Nascar management would have you believe (see above), the vast majority of fans are still hillbillies and they just can't identify with some rich kid PR robot.
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Indeed.

It says sad things when he's considered an anomaly in this day and age. I think some of it could also be mitigated if the drivers were allowed to express themselves more.

Remember, when Kurt Busch first hit the scene in the early 2000s, some people were blasting him for being a spoiled rich kid but he also became moderately more liked as time went on. Either way, he was compelling to watch because he felt human. A short-tempered human but human regardless.

Of course, it can also backfire as with Bubba, Ty Gibbs, and Joey Logano.

Kyle Busch has embraced himself as a bad guy so he doesn't count.

I may also be blinded by nostalgia faggotry but I miss the old days with feuds and shit because it made the drivers feel like people but alas, it's not healthy for the sponsors or whatever.

Even fagggier, I may miss the days of the old commercials. Nascar racers barely do that shit anymore.

Also Staged Cautions will forever rank at the top of the list of retarded policies. Just cautions in general with how they are being abused and consequently fuck over drivers.
 
Are we excited for another season of WWE on wheels? Somehow it's been half a year and retarded puff pieces about how Chicago was the greatest thing any motorsport has done are STILL coming out!

I expect another year of bad officiating, moronic gimmicks, boring racing, and the management continuing to act like Nascar has never been better. Look at all the new fans that no one seems to be able to find! We're streaming exclusive now for the younger demographic!

Happy new year, salty old fucks who can't accept that the sport is changing and it's not 1998 anymore.
 
A.P. Hill said:
Are we excited for another season of WWE on wheels? Somehow it's been half a year and retarded puff pieces about how Chicago was the greatest thing any motorsport has done are STILL coming out!

I expect another year of bad officiating, moronic gimmicks, boring racing, and the management continuing to act like Nascar has never been better. Look at all the new fans that no one seems to be able to find! We're streaming exclusive now for the younger demographic!

Happy new year, salty old fucks who can't accept that the sport is changing and it's not 1998 anymore.
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Enh. Following if SVG is funny or good will be interesting, I guess.

HyperboreanRightsActivist said:
Nascar being in the health and fitness board will never not be funny to me
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It is pretty funny.
 
Thiletonomics said:
NASCAR saw the success of F1's Drive to Survive documentary series, and now they want to do their own documentary series too, calling it "NASCAR: Full Speed". Given the shenanigans that have been plaguing this series for years, I'd expect it to only last 1 or 2 seasons at most, before being quietly shelved.
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Apparently, Full Speed has been doing great ratings on Netflix. I'm conflicted about its success. On the one hand, I want Nascar to be more popular, and it's good that the younger drivers are finally being allowed to show something resembling personalities in official media. On the other hand, I can't say that attracting the same DTS tourist crowd into Nascar as with F1 is going to be great for sustainability. If anything, it'll convince the management to double and triple down on the gimmicks because all the normies that are being brought into the sport from Netflix won't know that there was a time before the winner-take-all championship and stage races. They're also more than likely to accept the corporate media line that Bubba Wallace is the Good Guy, street racing is the future of the sport, etc.

Speaking of gimmicks that have worn out their welcome, the most likely final LA Clash suffered from a last-second schedule change and had bad ratings. Kind of glad to see this one be over, tbh. It was just like Bristol Dirt in that it was a gimmick designed to increase ratings in the short-term that just didn't last. Sure, it may have drawn new eyeballs temporarily, but that didn't correspond to any measurable increase in season-wide ratings. I'm a fan of either moving it back to Daytona or taking it around the country to visit local short tracks that deserve some recognition. Knowing Nascar, though, they're probably going to try and put it in Mexico City instead. Oh, well, you could do a lot worse than Hermanos Rodriguez.

Grandbaby Ty Gibbs sent it into Joey and Joey was not happy afterwards. For the first time in recorded history, most people sided with Logano. I feel pretty vindicated for my opinion that I've held for years that most of the Logano hate was completely unfair. Ty Gibbs actually is who people thought Joey was in 2010. In other news, Nascar's "Most Popular Driver" Darrell Wallace Jr. decided to race like a dickhead the majority of the night and got spun out for the second year in a row. This is who Nascar management has decided to make the face of their brand, folks- a self-absorbed negro with an anger management problem.
 
So. The Next Negro just caused not just The Big One but the Massive One, and was smug after. That's going well.

Also SVG DNQ'd and had to have his team owner pay off someone to not race. That's starting well.
 
So, pretty decent 500, by modern Nascar standards. Same as last year. Clean for the first 7/8 of it, we had different manufacturers running different pit strategies and multiple lanes pushing and pulling, and then the Big Juan showed up in the final 20 laps and it all went straight down the bowl. I think I audibly swore when Chastain Chastain'd and tried to fit his car into a hole the size of a Mini Cooper. Once again, Bubba Wallace's ability to fall bass-ackwards into a top 10 finish in a plate race he was a non-factor in, as well as somehow being able to miss Big Juans by pure dumb luck, will never not amaze me. At least the Lego-loving autist who would have been champion last year if not for Nascar's retarded points system took home a 500 trophy as a consolation prize. Slick Willy seems like he's developing into this generation's Mark Martin or Matt Kenseth in terms of driving style and personality- soft-spoken guy who races nearly everybody clean and doesn't get into drama (except for that one time when he punted Dennis under yellow), so he's pretty likable. And it always sucks when you have a statistically dominant season but miss the title because the system is stupid. Hopefully the Earl makes up for it somewhat.
Mikoyan said:
So. The Next Negro just caused not just The Big One but the Massive One, and was smug after. That's going well.

Also SVG DNQ'd and had to have his team owner pay off someone to not race. That's starting well.
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I didn't realize the new astroturfed negro in the truck series also raced like a complete maniac and took no responsibility...but I can't say I'm very surprised after hearing that. Trucks at this point is full of kids who have no concept of the idea of "checking up" because they've never had to work on their own junked race cars. Instead, they just quit their A main lobby on iracing and hop in another one, or Daddy buys them a new car. I can't imagine this is going to endear Caruth to the hillbillies in Martinsville, especially since he seems to have lucked into a Hendrick development deal due to nothing other than skin tone. I don't think it was his consistent 20th places in Spire equipment that did it.

Speaking of drivers that are astroturfed, Toni Breidinger, aka Slightly More Competent Natalie Decker, who took 4 years to run a full ARCA schedule and is best known for lifting at Daytona, got caught up in a wreck and got busy ranting at her teammate for being a pay driver. When I was talking about not endearing yourself to the hillbillies in Martinsville and Dega- that's also how you do it. There's only one reason why she has all the sponsors she does, and it sure ain't talent.

Disappointed to hear that SVG got RHR'd in top-tier equipment. Even more disappointed to find out he got junked barely 4 laps in. I know it's Daytona and you can never judge someone's competence based on a plate track, but I hope he doesn't end up turning into De Vries in Nascar.
 
A.P. Hill said:
Once again, Bubba Wallace's ability to fall bass-ackwards into a top 10 finish in a plate race he was a non-factor in, as well as somehow being able to miss Big Juans by pure dumb luck, will never not amaze me
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Dude somehow has that DEI plot armor.
 
I looked up Breidinger when I saw the controversy. My first instinct was 'bitch you're from Marin, no way are you uwu poor girl'. Still don't know what hed family does. But more importantly it was 'uwu I'm not rich kid' and then mentions the absolute avalanche of sponsors she has because she are gurl and... Honey, you too are the a pay driver. Just someone else is writing the check.

I was pretty surprised to see Carruth in the Hendrick truck. Guess Mr. H needs to prove he's not rayciss after hiring Larson.

SVG: Yeah. Did better in Xfinity. Can't tell nothin' from plate tracks though.
 
Just finished watching the race, a bit of a mess towards the end with all the cautions, but what a finish. Daniel Suarez wins by 0.003 seconds.
 
Interesting weekend, yeah. Trucks was a mess. NegroNext got an okay finish by luck but that's part of the game.

SVG got 3rd in Xfinity by luck, but that's part of the game too. A better showing than before for sure.

That ending was cool on the Cup race. Some post-race commentary is saying this will embolden SMI to do the same treatment to Texas. Hooooboy.

Supercars was pretty good this weekend. The situation there with the defending champion is gigafucked. If you're unfamiliar, the guy who beat out SVG for the title last year is utterly absent. He's under contract. He's just... not feelin' it. The speculation is that the team boss there is a turbocunt and he just doesn't' want to deal with the whole thing. It's... I can't think of a comparable situation other than Mansell going to CART and even that was a far different thing.
 
Road Work Ahead said:
Just finished watching the race, a bit of a mess towards the end with all the cautions, but what a finish. Daniel Suarez wins by 0.003 seconds.
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That was an amazing finish. In the end, that's going to be what everyone remembers about the race, not that the vast majority of it wasn't very good. Both Xfinity and Cup were this way. Xfinity was a single-file train and then everyone ran out of gas. Cup was a mess. I think at one point they showed a graphic and there were maybe 3 or 4 cars that hadn't been involved in a wreck. The whole thing reminded me of an early 00s IRL pack race. The track isn't big enough to get multiple lines pushing like Daytona, so instead all the cars stay glued together. Some people may like this, but it's really not my thing.

Ford has built an absolute rocketship this year. I think every Ford was in the top 10 at some point. We had a Penske 1-2-3 for several laps. SHR has been a nonfactor for years and they cracked the top 10. Both FRM cars were bad fast until they got wrecked. Harrison Burton sucks, and he was hanging around the top 10. Even both Rick Ware cars cracked the top 10 at one point. Also, can we do something about the carbon fiber cars? The winner of this race literally had a hole punched in his hood, and multiple cars had their entire front ends beat in and barely slowed down. It's like these cars can't have their aero affected at all.
Mikoyan said:
That ending was cool on the Cup race. Some post-race commentary is saying this will embolden SMI to do the same treatment to Texas. Hooooboy.
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I could see that coming. SMI has been itching to try and make more mini-Degas, and anything cool happening on NuLanta would reinforce their decision. I just can't get over how SMI decided they were going to ignore driver complaints, fan complaints, and hack up a perfectly good track to turn it into a meme and a gimmick, and they're going to come out of it smelling like a rose. The people who run this sport don't appreciate those who watch racing because they love racing.

And sure, Texas is bad, but turning it into Mini-Dega 2 would mean IndyCar never goes there again, and that would piss me off.
 
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