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Old news but this year's All-Star race was an absolute shit show. I get the feeling the officials tried to deliberately fuck with the ending of the race to bring more attention to their sport.

And well, can't say it didn't work because everyone is talking about how retarded the officials were for basically throwing Blaney to the proverbial driving lions with his safety net down.

Good for them I guess because it was a meh race otherwise.
 
DenseDeerFather said:
Old news but this year's All-Star race was an absolute shit show. I get the feeling the officials tried to deliberately fuck with the ending of the race to bring more attention to their sport.

And well, can't say it didn't work because everyone is talking about how retarded the officials were for basically throwing Blaney to the proverbial driving lions with his safety net down.

Good for them I guess because it was a meh race otherwise.
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So, umm... Will things be better now that the All-Star Race will be held at motherfucking North Wilkesboro, after God knows how many people requested and/or outright demanded for its reinsertion in the NASCAR calendar?
 
Yuuichirou Kumada said:
So, umm... Will things be better now that the All-Star Race will be held at motherfucking North Wilkesboro, after God knows how many people requested and/or outright demanded for its reinsertion in the NASCAR calendar?
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I went to Wilkesboro last summer. It's going to rule just because that track is super cool - even if they fuck it up.

And I expect them to.
 
Mikoyan said:
I went to Wilkesboro last summer. It's going to rule just because that track is super cool - even if they fuck it up.

And I expect them to.
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I hate that I agree with you. Modern NASCAR manages to fuck up a sure thing every time. But even then, Wilkesboro has such a long history with NASCAR, any actual longtime fans will appreciate seeing it in use again. Rockingham was a fun track to watch too, hopefully the recent upgrades and repaving will convince NASCAR to put The Rock back on the schedule in the next couple of years.

And I wish that all of the various racing organizations hadn't let Texas World Speedway slip away. Its heyday was before my time but seeing old IMSA and GT car road course videos really looks interesting. Definitely alot better than the upcoming 2023 Chicago street race will be, or yet another boring generic 1.5 mile oval "BLM's Fried Chicken Wings 500©️ brought to you by Pfizer and Moderna™️" type of race like you would see at a modern cookie cutter track like Kentucky or Kansas. 🙄
 
Smar Mijou said:
I hate that I agree with you. Modern NASCAR manages to fuck up a sure thing every time. But even then, Wilkesboro has such a long history with NASCAR, any actual longtime fans will appreciate seeing it in use again. Rockingham was a fun track to watch too, hopefully the recent upgrades and repaving will convince NASCAR to put The Rock back on the schedule in the next couple of years.

And I wish that all of the various racing organizations hadn't let Texas World Speedway slip away. Its heyday was before my time but seeing old IMSA and GT car road course videos really looks interesting. Definitely alot better than the upcoming 2023 Chicago street race will be, or yet another boring generic 1.5 mile oval "BLM's Fried Chicken Wings 500©️ brought to you by Pfizer and Moderna™️" type of race like you would see at a modern cookie cutter track like Kentucky or Kansas. 🙄
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The cookie cutters are probably one of the worst outcomes of the 50th anniversary era heyday of Cup. The early tracks were constrained by the circumstances of their creation and had character built into them. North Wilkesboro is on a hill and you're going up and down the hill, they didn't flatten it. Darlington is narrow at one end because dude couldn't buy a patch of land. It becomes like 'natural terrain' road courses vs. street courses - with notable exceptions the former is just better for racing. Even better, the exceptions people will state like Long Beach and Monaco are jammed up against the ocean - they have funny curvy streets more like road courses. Modern F1 'street courses' aren't usually street courses either, they're modified beyond almost all recognition. Chicago I have a hard time believing will be good - 90 degree tight corners and big cars make for parades.

I don't think they'll fuck up the All Star Race, unless they come up with an utterly retarded format. Put 'em in there and race. There absolutely will be complaints about getting in and out, etc - people couldn't get into the CARS race I went to because they didn't listen to 'get here EARLY'. But that's oldschool racin', too.
 
Chicago's racetrack is the pinnacle of so-bad-its-generic NASCAR racetracks. It wishes it wants to be like the Las Vegas Motor Speedway so badly.
 
TVBForever said:
Chicago's racetrack is the pinnacle of so-bad-its-generic NASCAR racetracks. It wishes it wants to be like the Las Vegas Motor Speedway so badly.
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In the above when I mention Chicago I meant the street course. I do agree about Chicagoland.
 
Mikoyan said:
In the above when I mention Chicago I meant the street course. I do agree about Chicagoland.
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Yea, Chicagoland was the one I'm referring to actually. But even then, both are pretty lame. Just one with less peanuts.
 
Mikoyan said:
The cookie cutters are probably one of the worst outcomes of the 50th anniversary era heyday of Cup. The early tracks were constrained by the circumstances of their creation and had character built into them. North Wilkesboro is on a hill and you're going up and down the hill, they didn't flatten it. Darlington is narrow at one end because dude couldn't buy a patch of land. It becomes like 'natural terrain' road courses vs. street courses - with notable exceptions the former is just better for racing. Even better, the exceptions people will state like Long Beach and Monaco are jammed up against the ocean - they have funny curvy streets more like road courses. Modern F1 'street courses' aren't usually street courses either, they're modified beyond almost all recognition. Chicago I have a hard time believing will be good - 90 degree tight corners and big cars make for parades.
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Yeah the big boost in popularity of Nascar in the 90s up until the 50th anniversary coincided with the rise of Dale™️ as the most popular driver. Nascar can say all they want about Bill Elliott being their most popular driver in the mid late 90s, but any longtime fan knows that Dale was the biggest draw as far as real grassroots popularity and merchandise sales. That along with his rivalry with Jeff Gordon were huge factors in the marketing push, TV deals, and national exposure that made Nascar into the behemoth it was from ~1995-2010.

I think that Nascar's huge expansion was unexpected and unnatural, and they got too big for their own good. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, that huge expansion in the 90s was never sustainable long term. The increasing blandness of the racing, cookie cutter races at cookie cutter tracks, driver personalities being neutered by corporate and sponsor clampdowns, endless rule changes, restrictions, and format changes has all contributed to the declining fan interest, falling viewership numbers, and corporate panic that we see today. And yes, the new Woke™️ Nascar brought to you by Saint "Bubba" Wallace, with their pandering to groups and agendas that have no interest in the sport anyway, is a death knell to diehard fans as well.
 
NASCAR is really desperate for BlackRock checks
 
I might be interested in going to the Penzoil 400 at the Speedway on March 4th.
 
Hey, it's been 11 days, I can doublepost.

And it's for this important thing: They're testing mufflers. On Cup cars. Because they want to run them in the inner city pandering races.

Let this be Phelps' legacy. mufflers on Cup cars.

(admittedly the new ones are fuckin' loud)
 
Mikoyan said:
Hey, it's been 11 days, I can doublepost.

And it's for this important thing: They're testing mufflers. On Cup cars. Because they want to run them in the inner city pandering races.

Let this be Phelps' legacy. mufflers on Cup cars.

(admittedly the new ones are fuckin' loud)
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Honestly I wish they just used stock cars again. Either way wouldn't it be funny to see two inner city youths get into a peaceful gun incident because the one's favorite driver wrecked the other's favorite driver.
 
Stock cars used to be cheaper to make.
 
Not bad. I sort of wanted Kyle Busch to win out at the end just as a 'Fuck you, Coach' kind of deal but it was pretty okay. Stable pack racing 95% of the time but I guess that's what people want to get The Big One, which they surely got.

Fucking hell the Fox broadcast was bad, though. Literally cutting to side by side while cars were flying everywhere.
 
What would have been a classic finish got ruined by an overzealous caution flag and then the field decided to drive like idiots. I guess Nascar got what they wanted, though. Now they can put another Big One in the ad packages and go "aNyThInG cAn HaPpEn WiTh ThE pLaYoFfS" with Wrecky Spinhouse's picture. He was a non-factor for 99% of the race. It wasn't a Harvick/Blaney case of smart racing and strategy leading to a pass in the final laps. Wrecky simply lucked out.
 
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