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A.P posted a bit more info in their article on Busch, according to them and their sources, Kyle went unresponsive in the Chevrolet Racing Simulator in Concord on Wednesday, and was rushed to the hospital.
So he was hospitalized sometime on Wednesday, news just got out earlier today [now yesterday] that he was hospitalized, then about 7-8 hours his death is reported? I'm thinking he was probably on a vent for a while, while the family made the decision whether or not to pull it, whatever happened in the sim probably caused a lack of bloodflow to the brain and immediately started causing brain damage, then by earlier today [Thursday] it was testing to determine brain activity or if there was any shot at recovery, which there wasn't. Pulmonary embolism could be right, given the cough he'd been having. Double pneumonia can be a real fucker, even for someone who's pretty young yet, and with "walking pneumonia" you don't even feel all that shitty until one day it's right on top of you and has you by the throat. Untreated it can go septic, that's what happened to that YouTube guy Brandon Buckingham, he felt kinda sick for like a couple days and about twelve hours later, he woke up in the ICU and was being told that all of his organs were shutting down, he barely pulled through somehow. He isn't very old at all either, probably 20s if I had to guess?

I never went to a Cup race but I did go to a few truck races and was always rooting for Kyle, I probably still have some merch from back then when he was still driving the #5 somewhere around here. Shit fucking sucks, especially because he had young kids. I thought I'd heard something about Kyle Busch and 'dead' earlier on the radio but I thought "nah, fucking can't be, dude's like 40" and sure enough, got home from work and heard the news. Wild shit.
 
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I'm a newfag who got a bit into Nascar through the Emplemon videos, but I can't imagine what it had to be like being a Nascar fan in 1993 watching 2 drivers who were in the absolute prime of their careers with Alan Kulwicki who was the reigning cup champion after an underdog upset victory and Davey Allison who was setting up to be one of the top drivers in Nascar both die in aerial accidents right before they were set to race in their best tracks.

Allison's death was particularly stupid because he would have lived if he hadn't removed the damn should straps from his harness and only left the lap belt. Incredibly dumb move.
 
TMZ gained access to a 911 call made on Wednesday, and in it the caller says he was coughing up blood and was having a hard time breathing.
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I've seen some say it sounded like untreated pneumonia but I'm not knowledgeable to agree or disagree with that.
Cross posting from the news thread, TMZ released the 911 call that lead to Busch being taken to the hospital. Busch was having a hard time breathing, was coughing up blood, and overheating.
 
Double Post: Richard Childress Racing has formally announced the retirement of the Number 8 car. The Number 8 will now be numbered the 33, and will be piloted by Austin Hill this Sunday as Charlotte. It is currently unknown if Hill will go fulltime in the 33, or if the driver seat will rotate for the rest of the year.
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RCR specifically states the No. 8 will remain reserved until Brexton Busch, Kyle's 11 year old son, is ready to go NASCAR racing.
Kyle Busch also posthumously starts on pole for tonight's truck race, as qualifying was cancelled.
Truck race delayed until Saturday due to rain.
 
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What the fuck does that to a man?
An Embolism?
Maybe? Whatever it was took him quick, I don't think anyone had any reason to think he had something fatal.
He knew it was coming soon. Poor guy.
I wanna circle back to this based off your comment. I don't think Kyle had any idea his life was nearing it's end. Kyle had been sitting on a nearly 3 year long winless streak in the cup series, struggling heavily with RCR post 2023. Kyle had won a cup race every full time year he raced from 2005 to 2023, with his streak being lost at the end of 2024. He has struggled every race until his death to get back in Cup victory lane, and when he was finally improving? He died.

Kyle's brother Kurt saw a sudden and permanent retirement from the Cup series in 2022, when a crash a Pocono gave him such a bad concussion that he had to step back and ask if racing was still worth it, and he decided it wasn't. Kurt also didn't know when his last win was going to be, so I imagine Kyle constantly thought of Kurt's last win as his career started to lull.
 
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What the fuck does that to a man?
An Embolism?
Quite possible, or like was said before, there are a number of respiratory infections that can present with that side effect, coughing up blood, but with a pulmonary embolism it would be a lot of blood and with a respiratory infection it would mostly be bloody sputum. I'm gonna guess pulmonary embolism though, given how quick he went from "nah I'm pretty alright, this cough is annoying though" to "fuck I think I'm dying/about to lose consciousness". The wildcard is the sinus symptoms he was having before that, but that could be totally unrelated, maybe he always had sinus issues and it was just a normal thing, and now everyone is microanalyzing everything that led up to it.

I'm inclined to think if it was a respiratory virus/pneumonia, he either had 'walking pneumonia' [usually found in younger people, it just slowly accumulates fluid in the lungs and will eventually knock you on your ass or present enough symptoms that you wind up in urgent care and get a script for antibiotics before it gets really, really bad, like ICU level bad] or something like that, but given that he was still going to events, still doing work-related stuff, still active with his family and most notably, driving a fucking racecar, I'm inclined to think it was a pulmonary embolism. It could be that the nagging cough was just incidental [had a chest cold or allergies or some shit] or it put enough stress on his body to cause other shit to stop working right, thus PE.

I wonder if they're going to do an autopsy. Usually with younger people who are otherwise healthy, they'll perform one, but there's no guarantee [with an illness like that, it's usually left up to the family unless there are suspicious/unusual circumstances] of one being performed and even if they do one, there's no surety that the results will be released to the public. I'm pretty damn curious but in the long run, I guess it doesn't really matter - it was definitely respiratory. The family may not want an autopsy to avoid altering his body, if he was an organ donor they may have kept him on life support long enough to extract useable organs, which would have been substantial since he was a pretty healthy, younger guy who was in pretty decent shape. Not to PL, but I know when I had a relative die suddenly and of rather strange circumstances, at first we were told an autopsy would be performed - then later on the coroner called and said 'nah we're not doing one, unless you want to pay like $1800 for it', and we kinda got together and decided that although we were curious about the cause of death, it wouldn't really bring any closure - said relative is still dead, knowing what killed them isn't going to accomplish a whole lot and it isn't going to bring them back. $1800 is a good chunk of change when you already know you're going to be paying for all of the other fucking expenses involved when someone dies. Cremation costs, or astronomically more if you're going with a burial, plot, headstone, casket, vault, all of that shit on top of an actual funeral. Not that finances would really be a constraint for the Busch family, I'm sure the funeral is going to be fucking massive.

Wild that before, they were probably planning around the race, maybe thinking about Memorial Day weekend plans, probably still birthday cake from his son's birthday in the refrigerator - and now a day later, they're planning a fucking funeral and trying to figure out all of the estate bullshit. Life comes at you fast. I'd hope Kyle had a rock-solid will and most of his estate shit planned considering his profession, though, so at least there's that. These guys know that any given Sunday, they can go from a racecar driver to a mass of charred up unrecognizable meat, if a bad crash happens.
 
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Damn, the same thing that almost killed that YouTube guy, Brandon Buckingham - dude was sick for a couple of days but nothing too serious, then he fell out and woke up in the ICU, with doctors informing him that basically all of his organs were shutting down. No idea how he pulled through while Kyle didn't, maybe it was just the fact that he didn't get to the hospital in time or it could have been age, younger people tend to have more robust immune systems after they're done with the 'catching every cold/crud that moves' phase of youth. Think I floated the idea of it being pneumonia --> sepsis yesterday, but the sudden collapse and coughing up blood report made me lean more toward pulmonary embolism.

Fuckin' A, that's sad - especially the fact that it probably could have easily been treatable if he'd received antibiotics earlier. With the right course of antibiotics, that shit tends to clear up pretty quickly. Could be that doctors just fucking missed it, which isn't uncommon. I had a very recent experience with that regarding a close relative, two doctors in four separate visits failed to spot and identify a massive fucking tumor/neoplasm, despite ordering chest X-rays. And I'd presume the family will be feeling the way I did - what if we'd fucking caught it earlier? But cancer is one thing, much harder to treat. The shit Kyle had? If he'd gotten to a competent doctor before Wednesday, they could have probably admitted him for a couple days, give him some hardcore antibiotics and IV fluids, hook him up with a nebulizer or some albuterol and he would've been right as rain in a couple of weeks. Fuck, man. I hate to say it because I avoid medical professionals as a rule of thumb unless I'm dying or an appendage needs reattached or reassembled, but I guess it's a reminder that if shit ain't right - go see a doctor, and don't fucking let them blow you off, either. Make those motherfuckers earn their insane wages and run some fucking scans and tests.

If you have reasonable insurance that is. If not, I guess just like a lot of people in the U.S, get fucked or be in debt, although I guess debt is better than being in a hole in the ground [arguably].
 
I remember seeing that Ryan Newman wreck at Daytona live and thinking, as soon as I saw the slow-mo replay of his driver's side getting hit head-on at full speed, "damn I just watched a man fucking die on live television", and IIRC most other people thought so too and then he was out of the hospital after a couple of days, only had minor injuries. I can bitch right along with the old timers about restrictor plates and such and how homogenized the cars have become [and far from "stock"] but one thing that's fucking amazing is how safe they've managed to make this sport, one equipment change you won't find me ever complaining about. I guess your premiere, most popular driver dying on live TV during one of the most prolific races on the schedule will do that to you, they've taken that shit very seriously since Dale. I mean shit, the equivalent in NFL terms would be if you had peak of his career Tom Brady get sacked and wind up having his neck snapped, resulting in his death.

Of course they did have that one dude a few years ago [I think?] who had his heart stop on the field, managed to survive thanks to an AED being nearby, otherwise he would have been either dead or he would have had so much brain damage they would have had to pull the plug later, I'd think.
 
I remember seeing that Ryan Newman wreck at Daytona live and thinking, as soon as I saw the slow-mo replay of his driver's side getting hit head-on at full speed, "damn I just watched a man fucking die on live television", and IIRC most other people thought so too and then he was out of the hospital after a couple of days, only had minor injuries. I can bitch right along with the old timers about restrictor plates and such and how homogenized the cars have become [and far from "stock"] but one thing that's fucking amazing is how safe they've managed to make this sport, one equipment change you won't find me ever complaining about. I guess your premiere, most popular driver dying on live TV during one of the most prolific races on the schedule will do that to you, they've taken that shit very seriously since Dale. I mean shit, the equivalent in NFL terms would be if you had peak of his career Tom Brady get sacked and wind up having his neck snapped, resulting in his death.
NASCAR's safety advances are commendable, ignoring the blemish that was the 2022 Next Gen that nearly killed Kurt Busch. The next gen is safe as shit despite being probably one of the worst racing cars in NASCAR history.

Tonight is, hopefully, the Coke 600. I'm really hopeful RCR can pull off a win tonight, either with Dillon winning his second or Austin Hill winning his first race in Cup.
 
ignoring the blemish that was the 2022 Next Gen that nearly killed Kurt Busch.
That whole saga was infuriating. After all NASCAR has been through, you'd think they'd prioritize safety in the new car. And they did, mostly. But they really wanted a sequential box in the thing, so they got one. But that's expensive, so they beefed up the structure in the rear to keep the transaxle from getting busted up in wrecks to keep team replacement costs down. Which in turns means the rear had no crush like it's supposed to. It wasnt' a fuckup, they took crush out of the structure because that was the whole intent of the rear end design and nobody said 'hey what about crash energy on the driver?' Furthermore they, once people started getting hurt, should've gone 'oh shit, yeah, let's redesign this'.

And then the drivers started going "WHAT THE FUCK, GUYS" so they wheeled out the soy beardo 'designer' of the car on NASCAR's staff (in quotes because they refuse to openly state that the core design was by Dallara, not in-house) to cry at them about how 'people are being really mean to us about this'. Saying to a bunch of guys who lives were at risk because of his bullshit design. It was a failure of monitoring a new design, a failure of disregarding early warning signs and crash data, and then a failure of minimizing things. All of which are inexcusable in a modern racing series. If I sound MATI that's why: This is every modern lesson of motorsports safety thrown out to not lose face and the fix could be done with a sawzall in five minutes.

And then while everyone knew the car was dangerous Bubba tried to kill Kyle Larson. But that's another story. (And of course all this was to give the car a rear transaxle and sequential shift for 50/50 weight distribution and better gearing... and then the car doesn't race good on road courses. GJ guys.)
 
I remember that shit with Bubba and Kyle Larson and also recall very well how the retards over at r/NASCAR basically ran cover for Bubba. Predictably in the wake of Kyle's death, they're over there furiously updooting articles about Bubba crying. I only saw a handful of reasonable people going: "hey holy shit, did Bubba basically just try to fucking kill a dude on live TV? What a retard!", the rest was all about 'nuance' or 'well Kyle Larson did say nigger once, so... I don't know, maybe he deserved it.'

I don't really remember the Kurt Busch incident all that well, I knew he had a bad concussion that basically ended his career, but wasn't aware of the circumstances around it.
 
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I don't really remember the Kurt Busch incident all that well, I knew he had a bad concussion that basically ended his career, but wasn't aware of the circumstances around it.
It's pretty simple. He spun in qualifying at Pocono and it went rear-on almost square into the outer wall. It was a pretty hard hit and it was basically a worst-case scenario for how they designed the car. He got a concussion so bad that pretty quickly the doctors said 'we think you shouldn't race again', and so he retired. To be fair a younger driver with fewer previous incidents would've had an easier time, but that's not the point. People had already been having trouble after rear end hits in the car so it shouldn't have gotten this far.
 
The Coca Cola 600 was called early due to rain, Daniel Suarez, a former KBM driver and friend of Kyle Busch, wins the race due to a amazing call by his crew chief.
This is the second time in the past 2 weeks the Spire number 7 has been in victory lane, with Kyle Busch taking it to victory lane in the truck series last Friday.
 
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