NeoGAF & ResetERA - The Hilarious N̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ Splintering "Gaming" Forum Circus

Robotron said:
How long until Patrick Klepek gets accused of rape or sexual harassment.
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I can easily see him protecting the cult of SJW in situations where he should break silence. I'm pretty sure Patrick Klepek lied about not knowing Evilore's ass grabbing situation in Spain (whereas Jason Schreier (Kotaku) admitted he knew but never investigated due to GamerGate). It was implied that basically everyone knew about Nick Robinson's (Polygon) tendency to slide into DMs before it went public. Now he's radio silent on Philip Koller (Polygon) and sexual harassment accusations in his own organization (VICE).

Completely unfounded, but Patrick worked with/interviewed Zoe Quinn before GamerGate. There's the possibility he cheated on his wife (now mother of his child) with Zoe since this was going on at the same time as the whole "5 guys" drama.
 
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FedoraManManMan said:
That's a real god damn shame since they had the golden opportunity to clean that shithole up and impliment a healthy fun environment rather then the orwellian nightmare ZOG style of forum moderation and Member Interaction.

The guys who founded resetERA could have allowed non biased non politically motivated shit to fly but if the mindset is still SHUTITDOWN.jpeg then it's really a lost cause
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It would be more likely to see NeoGAF take this stance, since ResetERA is the purest branch of the biased and politically motivated NeoGAF.

Malka missed the opportunity to make it right.
 
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Luigi said:
It would be more likely to see NeoGAF take this stance, since ResetERA is the purest branch of the biased and politically motivated NeoGAF.

Malka missed the opportunity to make it right.
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I don't know, was going through Alison rapp's thread and found this fucking gem.
Jaimas said:
Presented without comment:

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I don't think neogaf is redeemable my friend
 
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FedoraManManMan said:
I don't know, was going through Alison rapp's thread and found this fucking gem.


I don't think neogaf is redeemable my friend
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The people on ResetEra will unironically defend Alison Rapp to this day, they don't even acknowledge she was fired for being a sex worker. Rather they'd say that GamerGate convinced Nintendo to fire a random innocent lady (probably due to the localization harassment).

I swear I saw someone randomly mention her as a victim out of context while hanging out in ResetEra discords.
 
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For a typically bloodthirsty group they've giving Waypoint a lot of big passes.
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Hey, did you guys know that when you're in the union you don't have to bear any personal responsibility? Pointing out blatant hypocrisy is just a "gotcha moment!". Really, unions, are great guys!
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This is what passes for "dealing with the situation" in the VICE writers union: https://twitter.com/viceunion/status/930901328355872768 (https://archive.fo/6LqPr)
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Maybe Austin+Patrick Klepek+Waypoint forums could justify its own thread.
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Waypoint talking about the situation: https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/u...e-of-toxic-sexual-harassment-culture/10975/44 (https://archive.fo/5TNoE)
hydrophilic_attack is a ResetEra poster
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CrunkLord420 said:
The people on ResetEra will unironically defend Alison Rapp to this day, they don't even acknowledge she was fired for being a sex worker. Rather they'd say that GamerGate convinced Nintendo to fire a random innocent lady (probably due to the localization harassment).

I swear I saw someone randomly mention her as a victim out of context while hanging out in ResetEra discords.
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I'm surprised they haven't just accused them of "whorephobia", but I guess even putting their own spin on the truth is too much for them.
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
I'm surprised they haven't just accused them of "whorephobia", but I guess even putting their own spin on the truth is too much for them.
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In order to do that they'd have to acknowledge that GamerGate was right to some degree and their complete denial was entirely based on the idea that "GamerGate said it, must be wrong". This is the same logic that Jason Schreier claimed when asked about Evilore's previous accusations.
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Music, please:

The day that GAF died
The whole 'net cheered
Into their Discords
They disappeared
Their self-destruction
Was long since earned
The day that GAF died
Nothing was learned

And the gaffots went searching for a brand new home
Yet found no one who would take them in
Cursing their refugees to forever roam
And pretend their vagrancy's a win

The day that GAF died
They failed themselves
They burned their site down
met their own hells
But history's lessons
are snubbed and spurned
The day that GAF died
Nothing was learned

And the gaffots soon turned upon their own
Wanting someone on whom to blame their fall
and soon they would destroy outright their second home
blaming one another in glorious halal

Once more GAF splinters
But none need beware
The day GAF yet dies
No one will care
 
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I got to say, Waypoint's statement is pretty ballsy. It sounds like an ultimatum, but they don't specify that exactly. We'll have to see what happens now. I can't tell if this is going to fizzle out or if it should get it's own salt thread.

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https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/43nm3n/a-statement-from-waypoint (https://web.archive.org/web/2017111...n_us/article/43nm3n/a-statement-from-waypoint)
A Statement from Waypoint
In light of recent allegations of sexual harassment at VICE, the team wants to address our own commitment to equality and safety.
  • Waypoint Staff

    Nov 16 2017, 11:07pm
    Over the last day and a half, we’ve received a lot of questions from you, our readers and fans, about this story published by the Daily Beast yesterday morning. While we stand in solidarity with the VICE Union’s statement against sexual harassment, we also felt it was important to address this story—and the issue of sexual misconduct—in our own words and on our own platform.

    When we came here, each of us had our own reservations about VICE. We have all, publicly or privately, spoken about our desire to be a force of positive change at VICE, a company which we believe has both a torrid history and a great deal of journalistic excellence. In light of the Daily Beast’s story, we have realized how important it is that we not only push for change in private, internal meetings, but that we also must use our platform to publicly hold accountable our own workplace.


    It is tempting, yet facile to frame incidents like the one in the Daily Beast article as being the result of a few bad apples. Sexual misconduct is perpetrated by individuals, but it is enabled and emboldened through structural, institutional, and societal factors. These need to be addressed, and so, speaking as an unified editorial staff, Waypoint has communicated to VICE Senior Management the following expectations, which represent the bare minimum of what we feel is necessary to ensure the safety of its workers.
    1. How any organization responds to sexual misconduct allegations is important. But reacting is never enough. VICE needs to place new, stronger preventative measures in place. These should including better education about acceptable workplace behavior, more clarity on what resources are available to those who experience or witness misconduct, and a commitment to regular, ongoing evaluation of workplace safety and professionalism.

      If these require new staffing, a reworking of senior management, or additional resources being made available to the staff already here, these must be prioritized.


    2. While we have had a strong working relationship with the editorial leadership at VICE’s New York headquarters, and while our personal experiences have been safe and positive, VICE is a global media company, with dozens of offices across the world.

      Protections must be put in place not just here in New York, but also in our global satellite offices. Additionally, the safety of employees must be made paramount when considering future expansion into new markets. We love our office and feel safe here, and we need assurance that security will extend to everyone who works under VICE’s banner.


    3. As a media company, VICE often reports on uncomfortable, difficult matters, and it is important that a policy is in place to inform its workers that they may encounter potentially upsetting material. However, as written currently, the non-traditional workplace agreement is vague at best and odious at worst.

      The purpose of such an agreement should be to allow reporters the freedom to investigate complex, often unpleasant topics, but lines like “I agree to hold VICE harmless from any and all claims I may have based upon VICE’s workplace environment…” are irresponsible and provide cover for bad actors. This not only puts people in direct danger, but also actively discourages those who would report misconduct from doing so.

      This agreement must be re-evaluated and revised. Full stop.


    4. When Gawker closed in 2016, it brought to light a punitive legal strategy that risks to derail vital journalism. We are grateful that this has not stopped incredible reporting about powerful figures, work that has inspired us, and stories that bring to light the machinations of the powerful.

      In 2017 these stories all come at increased legal risk, and in light of the the allegations published by The Daily Beast, any attempt to speak truth to power will now come with questions about VICE’s credibility. In the face of these challenges, we seek a re-commitment from senior management of the importance of reporting on difficult topics, including stories about sexual misconduct, and a commitment of meaningful material resources to pursue those stories.
    It is not enough to simply make demands of others, though. We must hold ourselves accountable according to the same ethos that guided us in championing the above issues. We must continue to stand in solidarity with victims of sexual misconduct and targets of all kinds of abuse. As long as there is a Waypoint, we will continue to investigate difficult subject matter with integrity, offer transparency into the decision making that guides our publication.

    We've spoken to leadership at editorial channels across VICE, and they have voiced their support and commitment to equitability and safety in the workplace (and many have been working internally for a long time on improving these very conditions). Additional communication from those channels will be coming soon, but given our unique relationship with you, our readers and fans, we wanted to speak out as soon as possible.


    To those of you who have been asking us to respond to this matter over the last two days, thank you for your patience and for holding us to our own standards. We will continue to strive to be a beacon of hope, positivity, and criticality in the world of games and beyond.

    The undersigned,

    Danika Harrod
    Patrick Klepek
    Danielle Riendeau
    Austin Walker
    Natalie Watson
    Rob Zacny
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CrunkLord420 said:
I got to say, Waypoint's statement is pretty ballsy. It sounds like an ultimatum, but they don't specify that exactly. We'll have to see what happens now. I can't tell if this is going to fizzle out or if it should get it's own salt thread.

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Enjoy your extra four hours of sexual harassment training.
 
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What does he think is going to happen if he and the whole 5 other people on that letter threaten to quit? :story:
It's like that scene in "Team America" where they're getting shot down in their fighter planes and they say "We were helpless up there without an actor!!!" They'll be helpless without a game journalist :lol:
 
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