NeoGAF & ResetERA - The Hilarious N̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ Splintering "Gaming" Forum Circus

[AnOminous]

Even if the list isn't public, I'm sure it exists. I don't know the limitations of their forum and administrators, but if they are able to view who votes, they will. They'll share it in private groups and use it as justification for future bans and gatekeeping inner circles.

There's no reason whatsoever to be on Ree for any sane person of normal or higher intelligence.

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I see a ban in this dude's future. Bla bla history of dismissing whatever in a thenthitive thread for fags.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

Pretty standard Era fare. Page 1 was filled with posters out for blood

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Then page 2 more evidence proving it was "dinger" comes out and 99% of the thread just devolves into discussing pronunciation with occasional drive-by outrage posts because both the lazy jannies and idiot OP refused to update the thread (at one point the title was changed to something like "racist fan yells dinger" or the like apparently).

That said this is Era so there were a few brave souls still willing to try and crucify a guy for trying to get a mascot to take pictures with his grandkids.

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Dig up, stupid

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There you go. Good job.

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Same energy

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lol

Baseball Fan caught calling a player the N-Word on TV (MLB) [Up: See threadmark - Rockies & Fan confirm was calling for the Mascot "Dinger"] Sports

According to this the only place in the US where "dog" doesn't rhyme with "log" or other "-og" words is Northern New Jersey. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303856297_Do_Dog_and_Log_Rhyme

www.resetera.com

The 180 but... everyone is still being sneaky. They aren't slick.

If we didn't already know Dogge from other forums one would think this was Enzom21s new account.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

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[Screw Danlon]

And a good chunk of that 10% is bots. I've seen estimates in the market research industry that less than 1% of all traffic on Twitter contains any potentially meaningful content at all and it's all skewed so hard to the far left that it's utterly useless for sentiment analysis or any other kind of market research. Twitter users are about as valuable as reddit users -- not valuable at all.

Can you really even tell the most obsessed Twitter users from bots? They all basically parrot the same things anyway.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

[PC Gamer] Epic has sunk $500M into the Epic Games Store, doesn't expect to make a profit until 2027 Epic

I don't think either. But I don't think they don't have as much maneuver as some people claims. They could go as low as 20% and be profitable, but to what extend and at what price ? And it'd still be too much for some devs. Maybe if someone ran a better store we'd get closer to seeing what is...

www.resetera.com

The kind of "game developer" Resetera wants to keep around.

 

[BubbleButt]

You know shit's bad when someone on Retard Era tells you to go to the calm down zone.

 

[America's Hat]

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[PC Gamer] Epic has sunk $500M into the Epic Games Store, doesn't expect to make a profit until 2027 Epic

I don't think either. But I don't think they don't have as much maneuver as some people claims. They could go as low as 20% and be profitable, but to what extend and at what price ? And it'd still be too much for some devs. Maybe if someone ran a better store we'd get closer to seeing what is...

www.resetera.com

The kind of "game developer" Resetera wants to keep around.

It's interesting that a thread discussing the failures of the Epic Game Store, is a thread I can completely agree with. It seems that when you remove all politics and identities they can act rationally. It might explain how some era users have well paying jobs, they don't come off as unhinged unless someone comes across as a racist, and it can seem defensible to normies to say: "I hate sexists and rapist", who don't know what they quantify as "sexist" or "racist".

 

[milkenjoyer]

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[PC Gamer] Epic has sunk $500M into the Epic Games Store, doesn't expect to make a profit until 2027 Epic

I don't think either. But I don't think they don't have as much maneuver as some people claims. They could go as low as 20% and be profitable, but to what extend and at what price ? And it'd still be too much for some devs. Maybe if someone ran a better store we'd get closer to seeing what is...

www.resetera.com

The kind of "game developer" Resetera wants to keep around.

Still no release date, Welltall Zero? You've had all of covid to develop this shitty game.

Divinoids on Steam

Divinoids is a desperate struggle between a society much like our own, and highly advanced aliens piloting shapeshifting mechanical monstrosities... where you play as the aliens.

store.steampowered.com

 

[moocow]

Even if the list isn't public, I'm sure it exists. I don't know the limitations of their forum and administrators, but if they are able to view who votes, they will. They'll share it in private groups and use it as justification for future bans and gatekeeping inner circles.

Yup! There's no chance their forum software doesn't record who voted for what on each poll. It already has to record that a user voted on a specific poll to prevent users from voting multiple times. Might as well just add the actual vote as a column too. You can design a forum poll system that prevents double-voting, keeps accurate vote counts and ensures actual votes can't be traced back to the user who cast them (rather like a real election system), but it's easier to just slap each vote in a "votes" table with the user, poll and choice than it would be to split it all out to anonymize it.

The funny thing about it is that the "easy" method is (to no one's surprise) the slowest, and the most common way to solve that specific problem is to periodically scan the votes table to update the counts in a "tally table" that's much smaller and faster ... which is one step removed from just doing it right to begin with.

Can you really even tell the most obsessed Twitter users from bots? They all basically parrot the same things anyway.

Yeah, it's generally not that hard. Twitter bots aren't even remotely sophisticated (because they don't need to be; the target audience is composed entirely of fucking idiots), so they just watch/search for key words or phrases to trigger a specific response. That response is identical every time it's posted. It's why you'll often see the same exact post made sometimes thousands of times by just as many different users -- they're all bot accounts. Every one of them. Often they're all managed (by the thousands) by a single instance of a piece of software running on a low-rent server somewhere. It's lightweight, fast, cheap and easy.

You can literally catch bot accounts by the thousands just watching the Twitter "firehose" API for an hour, hashing the text content of every message (cleaned up first -- strip out mentions, punctuation and whitespace, lowercase the string, etc.), and counting how many times you see each hash. If you see a hash more than 20-30 times, it's no longer coincidence. Typically if you're going to see a hash repeated at all, you're going to see it hundreds or thousands of times. Every account that posted it is a bot.

Real live idiots will parrot the same talking points almost verbatim, but spacing, word choice, phrasing surrounding the "meat" of the talking point, etc. will vary a little bit. Bots may vary what they say from time to time (or even from post to post), but every time they say something, they say it on tons of accounts all at once.

Naturally Twitter does nothing to stop this despite detection being trivial. An idiot like me can spot them using the technique I've described here. Twitter's got access to all sorts of data I don't -- things like browser fingerprints, IP logs, precise API call timing, API key usage rates, etc. They could easily stop all of it. They just don't want to. They know it'd cut traffic down to almost nothing instantly and they're only afloat on the faith of their investors in the user counts and traffic Twitter shows them every quarter.

Source: worked for a market research company, took over development on a twitter firehose ingest tool from a former (fired) developer, noticed tons of repetition, started digging, discovered all sorts of things (including the above), saved employer 6 figures per year by proving Twitter is utterly worthless for market research and justifying not paying Twitter for firehose access anymore.

 

[Herbert West Reanimator]

Twitter bots...just watch/search for key words or phrases to trigger a specific response. That response is identical every time it's posted. It's why you'll often see the same exact post made sometimes thousands of times by just as many different users -- they're all bot accounts. Every one of them. Often they're all managed (by the thousands) by a single instance of a piece of software running on a low-rent server somewhere. It's lightweight, fast, cheap and easy.

And yet I am personally acquainted with an actual, real, living human being whose Twitter behavior can be precisely described in this manner -- trawling through Twitter, posting literally identical replies anywhere they might be relevant. The difference between him and a bot is tiny to the point of vanishing. And it's only a tiny step from there to start wondering whether like-minded individuals might be copying one another's tweets, the way mass communication campaigns provide form letters that people can use.

Have you considered that authoritarians (whose belief systems are based on in-group agreement rather than on fact) might be directly motivated to act like robots purely to shout their beliefs more loudly and broadly, as a means of indirectly convincing themselves? Not saying bots aren't the lion's share of Twitter use -- just that there really are human beings out there who cannot be distinguished from machines.

 

[moocow]

And yet I am personally acquainted with an actual, real, living human being whose Twitter behavior can be precisely described in this manner -- trawling through Twitter, posting literally identical replies anywhere they might be relevant. The difference between him and a bot is tiny to the point of vanishing. And it's only a tiny step from there to start wondering whether like-minded individuals might be copying one another's tweets, the way mass communication campaigns provide form letters that people can use.

I didn't say "one account posting the same reply thousands of time." I said "thousands of accounts posting the same reply verbatim in different threads." I have no doubt there are people who post the same thing over and over again. They do not have the same posting patterns as a collection of bot accounts. A bot "swarm" will post the exact same message (from thousands of different accounts) in the span of a few minutes. Humans don't do that as quickly. Humans take more time to echo each other. Swarms are much faster.

Have you considered that authoritarians (whose belief systems are based on in-group agreement rather than on fact) might be directly motivated to act like robots purely to shout their beliefs more loudly and broadly, as a means of indirectly convincing themselves? Not saying bots aren't the lion's share of Twitter use -- just that there really are human beings out there who cannot be distinguished from machines.

Meh. People suck at acting like robots. There's always little differences you can pick up on. And they can never get the timing right. When you're doing analytics on a firehose feed it's a lot easier to spot than you might realize.

 

[Screw Danlon]

Yup! There's no chance their forum software doesn't record who voted for what on each poll. It already has to record that a user voted on a specific poll to prevent users from voting multiple times. Might as well just add the actual vote as a column too. You can design a forum poll system that prevents double-voting, keeps accurate vote counts and ensures actual votes can't be traced back to the user who cast them (rather like a real election system), but it's easier to just slap each vote in a "votes" table with the user, poll and choice than it would be to split it all out to anonymize it.

The funny thing about it is that the "easy" method is (to no one's surprise) the slowest, and the most common way to solve that specific problem is to periodically scan the votes table to update the counts in a "tally table" that's much smaller and faster ... which is one step removed from just doing it right to begin with.


Yeah, it's generally not that hard. Twitter bots aren't even remotely sophisticated (because they don't need to be; the target audience is composed entirely of fucking idiots), so they just watch/search for key words or phrases to trigger a specific response. That response is identical every time it's posted. It's why you'll often see the same exact post made sometimes thousands of times by just as many different users -- they're all bot accounts. Every one of them. Often they're all managed (by the thousands) by a single instance of a piece of software running on a low-rent server somewhere. It's lightweight, fast, cheap and easy.

You can literally catch bot accounts by the thousands just watching the Twitter "firehose" API for an hour, hashing the text content of every message (cleaned up first -- strip out mentions, punctuation and whitespace, lowercase the string, etc.), and counting how many times you see each hash. If you see a hash more than 20-30 times, it's no longer coincidence. Typically if you're going to see a hash repeated at all, you're going to see it hundreds or thousands of times. Every account that posted it is a bot.

Real live idiots will parrot the same talking points almost verbatim, but spacing, word choice, phrasing surrounding the "meat" of the talking point, etc. will vary a little bit. Bots may vary what they say from time to time (or even from post to post), but every time they say something, they say it on tons of accounts all at once.

Naturally Twitter does nothing to stop this despite detection being trivial. An idiot like me can spot them using the technique I've described here. Twitter's got access to all sorts of data I don't -- things like browser fingerprints, IP logs, precise API call timing, API key usage rates, etc. They could easily stop all of it. They just don't want to. They know it'd cut traffic down to almost nothing instantly and they're only afloat on the faith of their investors in the user counts and traffic Twitter shows them every quarter.

Source: worked for a market research company, took over development on a twitter firehose ingest tool from a former (fired) developer, noticed tons of repetition, started digging, discovered all sorts of things (including the above), saved employer 6 figures per year by proving Twitter is utterly worthless for market research and justifying not paying Twitter for firehose access anymore.

You know, I was mostly trying to make an ”NPC“ joke, but that actually is some useful info, so I’m glad you were willing to type that all out.

 

[Judge Dredd]

There's no chance their forum software doesn't record who voted for what on each poll.

Even if it does, the admins might be too technically inept to access it. Remember, their advanced sock puppet detection algorithm is a check box on signup that says "Is this a sock account".

 

[DriveByTrolling]

Great thread in the making for Resetera https://www.resetera.com/threads/ap...d-racist-comments-dating-back-to-2007.470466/

2007?

Is B-Dubs going to get fired from his General Manager role then? https://imgur.com/a/N5ms1V1 https://imgur.com/a/7ozLNlb

Isamu Fukui pays him a small amount of money out of all the unpaid jannies.

 

[Articles and Nudes]

That thread is closed already, lmao

 

[Lord Xenu]

Great thread in the making for Resetera https://www.resetera.com/threads/ap...d-racist-comments-dating-back-to-2007.470466/

For anyone who isn't aware, Daniel Z. Klein is part of a polycule* whose most active member is Rebecca Gerber. A Jewish, Latino, Asexual, Trans-masculine, Basic White Bitch (and possibly the most entitled asshole on Twitter, think about that) just so happens to have a thread here. One of DZK's greatest hits, keep in mind he is talking about beating an 80-year-old Cuban immigrant:

*Polycule [ pol-uh-kyool ] noun: A homosexual marriage that includes a hag, for plausible deniability.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

Baseball Fan caught calling a player the N-Word on TV (MLB) [Up: See threadmark - Rockies & Fan confirm was calling for the Mascot "Dinger"] Sports

"The whole Internet hates Baseball Bigot, a horrible bigot who screams slurs at baseball players! *5 seconds later * We are happy to inform you the bigot just really loves purple dinosaurs." also re: pronunciation:

www.resetera.com

 

[BScCollateral]

Not saying bots aren't the lion's share of Twitter use -- just that there really are human beings out there who cannot be distinguished from machines.

Hence, the NPC meme.

 

[Pig Boss]

For anyone who isn't aware, Daniel Z. Klein is part of a polycule* whose most active member is Rebecca Gerber. A Jewish, Latino, Asexual, Trans-masculine, Basic White Bitch (and possibly the most entitled asshole on Twitter, think about that) just so happens to have a thread here. One of DZK's greatest hits, keep in mind he is talking about beating an 80-year-old Cuban immigrant:

*Polycule [ pol-uh-kyool ] noun: A homosexual marriage that includes a hag, for plausible deniability.

A bunch of faggots proudly bragging about ganging up on and intimidating an old couple who just want their daughter back. Mental sickness.

 

[SpaceCow]

It's crazy how proud he seems to be about nearly punching an old woman for saying the wrong name. And these people think it's the OTHER side that is hateful and violent.