Plagued Nice Guys

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Totally reminded me of one of my workmates who complains that he's single, and always pulls out the old one about women only going for the "10" guys, etc. etc. woe is me. I cringe internally whenever I hear him go on about it. Especially when he has incredibly picky taste in women as well like that lovely poster from @Cosmos post above
 
I actually did try to be the 'nice guy' when I was in high school. I am just thankful that facebook and social media wasn't such a big thing back then.

Part of me wonders, if this stereotype has such a memetic infamy, why do guys keep trying to do it? Has it ever worked?
 
Part of me wonders, if this stereotype has such a memetic infamy, why do guys keep trying to do it? Has it ever worked?

Nice Guys don't try to be Nice Guys; it's is not a consciously chosen dating strategy.

Becoming a Nice Guy is due to personality defects (entitlement, stunted empathy, fantasy-proneness, social anxiety, self-pity, etc.), which the Nice Guy is, to varying degrees, unaware of. The Nice Guy honestly believes he's a nice guy, who women would love if they only gave him a chance--when, in reality, his personality is repellent, and his "romantic" gestures (toward women who have shown little or no interest in him) are inappropriate and off-putting.
 
Nice Guys don't try to be Nice Guys; it's is not a consciously chosen dating strategy.

Becoming a Nice Guy is due to personality defects (entitlement, stunted empathy, fantasy-proneness, social anxiety, self-pity, etc.), which the Nice Guy is, to varying degrees, unaware of. The Nice Guy honestly believes he's a nice guy, who women would love if they only gave him a chance--when, in reality, his personality is repellent, and his "romantic" gestures (toward women who have shown little or no interest in him) are inappropriate and off-putting.
Exactly. It's like asking why Hitler "chose" to be evil. Hitler wasn't wringing his hands and twiddling his mustache like a cartoon villain, he honestly came to the conclusion that genocide was an acceptable course of action to serve his cause. We decided that he was evil because his brain's math was all kinds of fucked.

I mean, I know Hitler wasn't nearly as evil as the average Nice Guy, but I think the analogy stands.
 
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To be fair, they don't want a partner, they want a status symbol. The kind of girl that they can show off to other guys to prove that they are superior in some way, but are completely clueless on how to even get their foot in the door on that.
 
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>I will drink her period blood
I don't know why no one would date this guy. He seems like a reasonable fella.
 
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You can't even blame it on autism, because if it was just that they'd have a better grasp on the idea that there are "leagues" and that people tend to date in their own. Even that's sort of an autistic way of looking at it, because people can't usually be boiled down to a simple set of stats. But for the most part no one wants to be with someone who has nothing to offer them, because that's just not fair to have to deal with, so we naturally end up pairing off with someone who fits us and our lifestyle.
Generally being the same level of attractiveness, compatible sense of humor, willing to hold down a job and try to improve their life... if too many of these things are missing from one partner, the relationship is going to naturally be difficult for the other one. And as much as these broke, ugly, dumb, "nice" guys might think they want a beautiful wealthy genius as a girlfriend/wife, they really would still be just as miserable if it happened, if not more so. There would be constant all consuming jealousy, they would be perpetually afraid that their partner would eventually leave (for good reason), and no matter how oblivious they are there would have to be some tiny niggling little voice in the back of their head telling them that they are a burden, not a boon. They love to wallow in pity about how they deserve better, but if they had better they'd gradually start to hate themselves for being dead weight.
That's not being shallow, that's just being realistic, and it applies to every couple regardless of gender.

I can't even understand why you'd want to be with someone if you have nothing to offer them in life.

The Nice Guy honestly believes he's a nice guy

This. A lot this.

The thing so many "nice guys" don't seem to get is that being genuinely nice is a HUGE draw for attracting a mate. The key though is the word genuine.
Yeah, there's some credibility to the idea that being a bit cocky/bit of a jerk is an attraction feature (and one thing they always leave off is that it doesn't apply just to guys, bitchy girls get a lot of unwarranted attention too), but that's only because the idea is that they're so successful in other areas that they don't have to be nice to you. It makes you wonder what they have going for them that makes them get away with treating people like that.
But being successful and attractive and being legitimately nice is still a dozen times more appealing to anyone without mental problems.
 
Another thing I notice about these guys is that it really comes down to not being able to handle rejection or trying hard enough to find dates. I don't think they realize even if you are Chad Douchebro and just in it for the sex - those guys shop around hardcore. Guys will go to bars nightly and hit on anything remotely hot until it works. Women don't line up for them, they peacock around like animals playing the mating game.
Nice Guys do this stalking thing on like very specific women until they finally drum up the courage to ask them out as creepy as possible and then freak out when it doesn't work. I'm sure there are even some women who would go for a desperate guy, but you're really going to have to deal with a ton of girls not wanting you first off until you find one. And god help the girl that agrees to it.
 
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Boy, women just love it when casual acquaintances or strangers reduce them to their physical qualities, lemme tell ya. Can't imagine why this guy is single.

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Yeah, the "I'll kill myself if you don't fuck me" gambit rarely works. And if it does, guess what? By some metrics, that's rape, because you're using coercion to make someone have sex with you who doesn't really want to.
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You know, and I'm just spitballing here, if you want to prove your superiority to other people, you might want to use a spellchecker. Just sayin'. Of course, I am not the ubermensch that this absolutely fine specimen of manhood is, so what do I know?
I love and hate the world at the same time.
The lack of self-awareness could be detected in other solar systems with these guys.

So not going on a date with a suicidal person trying to emotionally blackmail you into giving them time and attention is actually chasing misery?
Nice Guy Logic. I think he means that if she doesn't go out with him, and he ends up killing himself, she'll feel guilty over driving him to suicide. If he did (and I doubt he will), she has nothing to feel guilty for. You are not responsible for other's actions. The most she is obligated to do is inform the relevant authorities that he's making threats of self-harm. After that, it's not her (or anyone else's) problem. And if you're suicidal over being single, you need to evaluate your priorities.
 
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Women don't act offended when some self-pitying permavirgin they have no interest in comments on their breasts; they are offended. It's not an act. It's not pretending, just to manipulate you. Your behavior is offensive, and you're too much of a goddamned sperg to comprehend why.

Using, "they should be grateful they aren't getting their genitals mutilated" as a way of making women wrong for responding negatively to your offensive behavior is not what a genuinely nice guy does. Nor is referring to women as "creatures."

This Nice Guy is plenty selfish and devoid of empathy--so why can't he "function everyday"? Gee, I wonder...

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Oh yeah--chicks really dig depressed, spineless, people-pleasing "nice guys" who think willingness to pay for an expensive dinner (capped by a bid for sympathy because he's "feeling low") obligates a woman to go out with him. And going into a rage and guilt-tripping her with his depression and suicidal ideation when she says no? You are not a nice guy, much less a "good person," Nice Guy. Depressed and in need of mental health services? Yes. And that's what mental health services are there for; it is not womens' duty to come to your emotional rescue and do all the work of helping you feel better.

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Treats her badly.

Then accuses her of being mean to him because he's such a Nice Guy, and only wanting men in her life who treat her badly.

That's a pretty classic mental/emotional abuse tactic, right there. What a fucking prince that one is.
 
I'm sure a random woman off the street would enjoy a compliment about her breasts as much as you'd enjoy getting a compliment about your dick from some stranger. As in, not very much.

"Good day sir, I couldn't help but notice how wonderful your penis is looking today. Would you care to have some coffee with me later."

Doesn't sound great.
 
Using, "they should be grateful they aren't getting their genitals mutilated" as a way of making women wrong for responding negatively to your offensive behavior is not what a genuinely nice guy does.

You know, if a woman said to that guy, "Hey, be glad I'm only talking down to you and not falsely accusing you of rape like happens to so many other guys," I'll bet he'd see things a little differently.

Then again, he'd probably be so overjoyed that a woman was talking to him him at all that he'd have friction burns on his forehead from the rapid-fire fedora tipping.
 
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