Plagued Nice Guys

[DonaldChump]

It's sad seeing people who think that getting a girlfriend/boyfriend is their only chance at happiness.

Being single is far better than being stuck in a relationship with someone you can't stand.

Sure but relationships also help you grow as a person and they will help you push yourself or get out of your comfort zone. I mean obviously you can do this on your own but it's a lot easier and more rewarding I guess when someone is kind of investing in you and does have their own wants and needs, and is holding you accountable in part. maybe values you and cares. I mean you shouldnt I guess base everything on it, because that shit will change (you arent always gonna be cared about or valued in a shit relationship but they did at one point I guess), but you learn a lot, even from failed relationships. Fucking like doing shit together, making memories and shit.

Thats half of why nice guys are really obnoxious, they never learn, they just stagnate.

I would say in regards to the argument above, Chris Chan is literally actually retarded. I mean, yeah dudes like this have been and always will be around, but theyre more prevalent today.

 

[Brother Wind]

It's always anime. Without fail, it is always anime. It's why they think that *stammering and stuttering their way through a "H-h-h-hi I was just w-w-w-wondering if m-maybe you'd be i-i-i-interested..." before their entire face turns blue and a giant sweatdrop rolls down their forehead while two little screaming fairy things bash each other with oversized mallets in the background* is the way to a woman's heart. Ban and destroy all the anime and in a generation this weirdness will be gone, replaced with role playing as characters from like...I dunno, newspaper comic strips or something

Hi good looking *offers you a 3 foot tall Dagwood style sandwich*

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Ban and destroy all the anime and in a generation this weirdness will be gone

Well Japan seems to be heading toward extinction within the next couple generations so you might be on to something.

 

[Overcast]

Sure but relationships also help you grow as a person and they will help you push yourself or get out of your comfort zone. I mean obviously you can do this on your own but it's a lot easier and more rewarding I guess when someone is kind of investing in you and does have their own wants and needs, and is holding you accountable in part. maybe values you and cares. I mean you shouldnt I guess base everything on it, because that shit will change (you arent always gonna be cared about or valued in a shit relationship but they did at one point I guess), but you learn a lot, even from failed relationships. Fucking like doing shit together, making memories and shit.

Thats half of why nice guys are really obnoxious, they never learn, they just stagnate.

I would say in regards to the argument above, Chris Chan is literally actually exceptional. I mean, yeah dudes like this have been and always will be around, but theyre more prevalent today.

Oh yeah definitely.

It's only natural for people to want to form relationships. Especially romantic ones. Not only does it feel good to be with somebody who sees you in that way, but it's how we as a species have survived.

Given the choice though, I would rather be by myself than with a woman who doesn't like me or actively makes my life a living hell.

In that way, I can feel for these people. Being lonely or feeling like you're unwanted sucks, and I feel the rise of the internet and having the option to not have to go out and meet people in order to socialize has made the problem even worse in a lot of ways. Along with other external factors of course.

People are able to find others with similar problems and mind sets and instead of seeking help or working to improve themselves, they hole themselves up in these echo chambers and it warps their minds to the point where you have people threatening death and rape on people just trying to get by in life. Or in extreme cases, people like Elliot Rodger who go out and murder people.

I want these people to find help and break out of the nasty cycle they put themselves in. But in order for that to happen, they need to be the ones to take responsibility, and for most of them, that's probably never going to happen.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's also simply a lack of life experience.

There may have been "Nice Guys" throughout history, but it seems like "Nice Guy" is mostly an issue among Millennials.

 

[Viridian]

There may have been "Nice Guys" throughout history, but it seems like "Nice Guy" is mostly an issue among Millennials.

I think it's because in the modern day, "Nice Guys" can connect to large numbers of their fellow fucktards over the Internet and give eachother validation for their bullshit. Therefore they feel no need to change because they can bond together over being an oppressed minority and wronged by women. Before, any "Nice Guys" would have to deal with the social pressures of their surroundings alone, and either learn to man up and stop being a "Nice Guy" or end up that one dude who gets exiled from a social circle for being a creep.

 

[DumbDosh]

There may have been "Nice Guys" throughout history, but it seems like "Nice Guy" is mostly an issue among Millennials.

There probably could be a historical graph made showing the correlation between the decrease in arranged marriages and brothels and the increase in nice guys.

 

[AmpleApricots]

There's lots of countries in the world where brothels are perfectly legal and also common and arranged marriages are also alive and well in many parts of the world. Also one of the biggest lolcows on this board is an outspoken brothel-goer and he's also still the typical nice guy.

I think it's mostly the online connectivity thing and I honestly do not think it is healthy for vulnerable people. I feel there will be a lot of research a few decades down the road which we now simply don't really have because this societal development did not only develop at a breakneck speed but is also constantly shifting and evolving over a very short amount of time. I'd go as far as to say that something like the Kiwi Farms are sort of a reaction to see the more bizarre fruits of this new world and sort of amateur research, just like the first rocket scientists were basically a bunch of drunks with bottle rockets. It's just humans natural curiosity and their tendency to work in groups.

But to get off that tangent, people often say that these things have existed before but the internet made them visible. I disagree, because we can actually see what effects these things have on the "real" world which simply weren't there before. Of course there was some awkward guy in the 60s who just couldn't get it on with women and also of course there was probably also some guy in the 19th century who jerked it about the thought of anthropomorphic foxes fucking each other but it was never ever as evolved, as developed, like these communities with their own terms and social structures. This is new and was made possible by the technology.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Shout out to the Nice Guy who got pissed that my underaged coworker couldn't help him look through the 18+ manga section and then screamed at me for stepping in and telling him to stop pressuring her to do this.

Bigger fucking shout out to Steam who sorted this creep out and set out a plan for everyone to be able to keep her from this creep every time he steps in.

Also Shout out to those asses who screamed at me for not selling anything with their waifu in it. Thank you for making me almost cry you black pilled fucks who decided to call me a FEMOID in my fucking face.

What the actual fuck is this post.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

What the actual fuck is this post.

The consequences of anime

 

[sbm1990]

There may have been "Nice Guys" throughout history, but it seems like "Nice Guy" is mostly an issue among Millennials.

Yeah, you can thank the whole liberal media's message of "oh just be yourself and be as nice as you can be to everyone, and you'll get everything you want out of life!" for the abundance of nice guys nowadays. I mean yeah, you can't be an asshole to everyone for no reason, obviously, but at the same time, you also have to speak up and be honest and upfront with people when it comes to your true intentions.

Most "nice guys" are just guys who've been taught that "being a girl's doormat will give you the key to her heart" when that couldn't be any further from the truth, at least if you want a nice girl who legit loves and respects you anyway.

 

[Pocoyo]

How many "nice guys" does it take to change a lightbulb?

Spoiler

None; they just compliment it and get mad when it won't screw.

 

[Kroster]

Mr. Collins was a Nice Guy in Pride and Prejudice. So Nice Guys at least existed in the early 19th century.

 

[Preferred Penne]

Dr. Frasier Crane, confirmed Nice Guy.

 

[AmpleApricots]

god I loved Frasier.

 

[Brother Wind]

Yeah, you can thank the whole liberal media's message of "oh just be yourself and be as nice as you can be to everyone, and you'll get everything you want out of life!" for the abundance of nice guys nowadays. I mean yeah, you can't be an asshole to everyone for no reason, obviously, but at the same time, you also have to speak up and be honest and upfront with people when it comes to your true intentions.

Most "nice guys" are just guys who've been taught that "being a girl's doormat will give you the key to her heart" when that couldn't be any further from the truth, at least if you want a nice girl who legit loves and respects you anyway.

See, I think it comes from, hopefully not just me, but a guy asking a girl out and being told "awww that's sweet, you're such a nice guy, but I'm just not interested". Some people do a frown and move on with life. Some people internalize this shit, and hold it against her. Wanting her to regret her choice.

And then you get these people who've never even bothered actually asking. They just act like they know exactly how it is, but they see in themselves the kind of person the first one was. Thinking the second one is just handling it "correctly"

Edit: actually thinking on it. To all the "nice guy" lurkers. When a girl says that they don't actually find it all that special you're "nice". Odds are its just "it's nice of you to make me feel wanted like that.". Or if you're really reprehensible. It's probably, "you following the basic rules of society is the best aspect I can actually think of, but I was taught to repay a compliment in kind"

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Yeah, you can thank the whole liberal media's message of "oh just be yourself and be as nice as you can be to everyone, and you'll get everything you want out of life!" for the abundance of nice guys nowadays. I mean yeah, you can't be an asshole to everyone for no reason, obviously, but at the same time, you also have to speak up and be honest and upfront with people when it comes to your true intentions.

Most "nice guys" are just guys who've been taught that "being a girl's doormat will give you the key to her heart" when that couldn't be any further from the truth, at least if you want a nice girl who legit loves and respects you anyway.

So you should be honest and upfront with people about how you fuck plush dolls. Noted.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I still think the main problem is that there's no peer pressure and no experiences collected. All these nice guys go online and get validated by other nice guys and then it's a never-ending circle of "the problem isn't me, it's them"

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Well Japan seems to be heading toward extinction within the next couple generations so you might be on to something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

Some European countries like Poland and Romania have lower fertility rates than Japan. Most developed countries are well below replacement fertility, although some are lower than others. The absolute lowest in the world is either Singapore or South Korea.

People often seem to lose sight of the fact that autists/lolcows are a small fraction of any society. The prevalence of autism is something like 1-2%. Obviously Japan has their cartoon-obsessed wackos in the same way the US has bronies and furries, but those people don't make social trends on that scale. This is how Brianna Wu can run for Congress without most people in his district knowing who he is.

 

[Overcast]