Nintendo Switch 2 - For the Soytendo consoomers to speculate about the successor to the Switch, recently announced for 2025.

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Am I missing out big? I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the Wii.

Something happened. I stopped playing consoles as much to begin with and fell behind, my most recent is a PS4 I got.

I've played a Switch, but not very often.
 
I know that the Switch 2 is currently selling well, but I can see the potential for what happened to the Wii U repeating itself, especially after the partner showcase today. It reminded me of that interview Reggie did with Geoff Keighley where Geoff questioned why someone would play a worse version of a game they already played a few years ago. Portability isn't really a novel concept today as there are many more systems today that are portable than back in 2017.
While I do think the Switch 2 is too expensive, I still think it's going to sell 70-80 million units. It's not going to be anywhere the monumental failure Wii U was. It'll be more of a DS -> 3DS thing in terms of sales.

Am I missing out big? I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the Wii.

Something happened. I stopped playing consoles as much to begin with and fell behind, my most recent is a PS4 I got.

I've played a Switch, but not very often.
I feel like Switch has a lot of utility if you know how to buy games. I have a pretty big collection of games I already had for other systems like Red Dead Redemption, Titan quest, Skyrim and Borderlands. A lot of these third party games get marked down after a year or so and you can get them used for like $20. I think buying any of those games brand new when they launched would have been retarded, but for $20 it's kind of worth it because sometimes you just want to play Skyrim in bed.

It's also nice that I can own a physical cart with the game on it as opposed to something like a Steam deck where I can only own a digital copy. A lot of those third party games for Switch do have patches, but because they are a few years old, the games are in a playable state right out of the box.

Then there's Switch 2 where the cost of the console approaches a handheld gaming PC and a ton of the third party games are key card only. I don't get Switch 2.
 
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While I do think the Switch 2 is too expensive, I still think it's going to sell 70-80 million units. It's not going to be anywhere the monumental failure Wii U was. It'll be more of a DS -> 3DS thing in terms of sales.
I guess I'm not really focusing on how it sells, but more of who will buy the ports? I know die hard nintendo fans will, but so far Nintendo is making the mistake of relying on years old 3rd party ports. Bringing Wii U games to the Switch made sense as it introduced those games to a wider audience, but they can't pull that same trick twice. Even the Switch 2 games we've received have obviously been Switch 1 games that were delayed and shelved until the Switch 2 was released, with maybe the exception of Kirby Air Riders. Eventually people will question why they have it in the first place. I know some people who did that even with the Switch. The real money is in the games, not the consoles, it's the razor and blades business model. And if all you're seeing is old games that run worse, that you're being asked to buy again, I don't see the appeal
 
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I guess I'm not really focusing on how it sells, but more of who will buy the ports? I know die hard nintendo fans will, but so far Nintendo is making the mistake of relying on years old 3rd party ports. Bringing Wii U games to the Switch made sense as it introduced those games to a wider audience, but they can't pull that same trick twice. Even the Switch 2 games we've received have obviously been Switch 1 games that were delayed and shelved until the Switch 2 was released, with maybe the exception of Kirby Air Riders. Eventually people will question why they have it in the first place. I know some people who did that even with the Switch. The real money is in the games, not the consoles, it's the razor and blades business model. And if all you're seeing is old games that run worse, that you're being asked to buy again, I don't see the appeal
Toddslop notwithstanding, most of these ports are way more recent (1-2 years old) than the ones you'd typically get only a single year ago in the switch era (5-6 years old). A good chunk of them, capcom especially, are launching day 1 on switch 2. Some of the ports, most notably the Digimon one, actually run BETTER than the ps5 version, 60fps on switch 2 while it's locked to 30fps on ps5. Most of these things are pretty inconsequential, but taken together paint a picture of a paradigm shift going on right now.
 
Toddslop notwithstanding, most of these ports are way more recent (1-2 years old) than the ones you'd typically get only a single year ago in the switch era (5-6 years old). A good chunk of them, capcom especially, are launching day 1 on switch 2. Some of the ports, most notably the Digimon one, actually run BETTER than the ps5 version, 60fps on switch 2 while it's locked to 30fps on ps5. Most of these things are pretty inconsequential, but taken together paint a picture of a paradigm shift going on right now.
The PS5 version of Time Stranger is getting a patch for 60fps too. It was buried in the news following the direct so it's not exactly widespread information.
 
This dude just loves to hear himself talk.
Yes. He's built his story up as "the chess club guy took over a game company with his epic brain" and by god everybody's gonna fuckin' hear it.

He's the Dilbert Principle in action -- promoted to a position within the company where he could do the least damage. Somehow it's worked out well for Bethesda having a lying sack of shit be their face of marketing and leadership, since they've basically quietly leaned into the "tell me lies" meme and nobody ever seems to care when Next Product from Bethesda™ does nothing he promised it would and shits the bed instead.

It's a fascinating element of human psychology, now that I think about it. I'd love to see research done where they get big Skyrim/Fallout fans to sit down for interviews, ask why they support Bethesda, then play some Memeology 101-style videos comparing Howard's claims with in-game reality, side-by-side, in direct contradiction, then ask each subject to explain the lie and why it's okay to buy a product that literally doesn't do what its maker claimed it would.
 
Ars Technica: The Switch 2 is getting a new Virtual Console (kind of) (archive)
As part of today’s Nintendo Direct Partner Showcase, Hamster announced a new Console Archives line of emulated classics available for download starting today on the Switch 2 and next week on the PlayStation 5 (sorry, Xbox and OG Switch fans). So far that lineup only includes the original PlayStation snowboarding title Cool Boarders for $12 and the NES action platformer Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos for $8, but Hamster promises more obscure games, including Doraemon and Sonic Wings Special, will be available in the future.
 
I wonder how many Nintendo "classics" already presently available on one or more of the existing virtual consoles will mysteriously disappear from those stores only to reappear on this new one with fresh coats of paint (or an extra word or two in the title) for $9.99 plus tax once this new virtual console is available?

JFC how many separate storefronts masquerading as "virtual consoles" does one platform need?
 
I wonder how many Nintendo "classics" already presently available on one or more of the existing virtual consoles will mysteriously disappear from those stores only to reappear on this new one with fresh coats of paint (or an extra word or two in the title) for $9.99 plus tax once this new virtual console is available?
Virtual console doesn't exist anymore. You literally cannot buy old Nintendo games from Nintendo. They are only available via subscription.

Being able to buy Mario World or Super Metroid for $10 would be an improvement over the current situation imo.
 
I wonder how many Nintendo "classics" already presently available on one or more of the existing virtual consoles will mysteriously disappear from those stores only to reappear on this new one with fresh coats of paint (or an extra word or two in the title) for $9.99 plus tax once this new virtual console is available?

JFC how many separate storefronts masquerading as "virtual consoles" does one platform need?
This isn't a storefront nor handled by Nintendo. People comparing it to the Virtual Console are embellishing a bit.
It's a line of individually sold emulated games for modern consoles. You just buy them from PSN, the eShop, etc. like any other game.
The debut games, Cool Boarders and Ninja Gaiden 2, are already on PS+ Premium and NSO respectively, and those versions didn't disappear when these versions came out.
Although, you can already buy Cool Boarders on PS5, running in Sony's own emulator, for $10. I don't know why you'd buy the $12 Console Archives version instead.
 
I'm all for complaining about nso, and especially the absolute drip feed of games, but come the fuck on.
I'm not saying I'd personally buy Mario World for $10 at this point. I'm saying I would rather drop a one time $50-60 one and done to buy a handful of games I want to play in perpetuity than have an annual subscription. I think virtual console was a better system than NSO for old games. I bought virtual console games on 3DS well over a decade ago, and I can still pick up my 3DS and play them anytime with no active subscription, no Internet connection, etc. They're just there on my system ready to play until it breaks.

I don't know what to tell you. Some people just like to own shit instead of subscriptions even if it costs a little more up front.
 
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I'm not saying I'd personally buy Mario World for $10 at this point. I'm saying I would rather drop a one time $50-60 one and done to buy a handful of games I want to play in perpetuity than have an annual subscription. I think virtual console was a better system than NSO for old games.
This is flawed too. If you own nothing, then companies can sell you what basically amounts to a subscription fee, in perpetuity, for the rest of your life. Please buy these decade-old games again. Please buy them over, and over, and over. Don’t archive it yourself. Don’t make your own copies. Buy ours! Give US money! Which would be fine....if you couldn't get the same experience, if not an infinitely better one, elsewhere. If you haven't built up a physical gaming collection, or lack the physical space, or the money, the solution is obvious--what platform can give you everything, ALL the games, ALL the rare stuff, and ONLY what you want?
 
This is flawed too. If you own nothing, then companies can sell you what basically amounts to a subscription fee, in perpetuity, for the rest of your life. Please buy these decade-old games again. Please buy them over, and over, and over. Don’t archive it yourself. Don’t make your own copies. Buy ours! Give US money! Which would be fine....if you couldn't get the same experience, if not an infinitely better one, elsewhere. If you haven't built up a physical gaming collection, or lack the physical space, or the money, the solution is obvious--what platform can give you everything, ALL the games, ALL the rare stuff, and ONLY what you want?
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I don't disagree. I don't even have an online account on my personal Switch and if it doesn't come out on a physical cart I just don't play it. However, in terms of official options to play old games, I think being able to buy a perpetual one-time license to be able to play Mario World is better than having to have some kind of active subscription to play Mario World.

If you bought Mario World when it came out on Wii 19 years ago, you can actually still hook up your Wii and play it. I'm pretty sure you can even still redownload it if you already bought it. At least that has some resemblance to actual ownership. Do you think you're going to be able to play Mario World on Switch 1 well into the 2030s?

Now, you're probably thinking who in their right mind would hook up a Wii to play Mario World in 2026? Again, don't disagree, but when we're talking about handhelds like 3DS and Switch, all of a sudden it's not unreasonable to say someone might want to bust it out once a year to burn through a few old games they like.

Mario World is just and example, obviously. Swap it out with whatever first party NES/SNES/Gameboy game you like.
 
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I legit wouldn't have an issue with paying say £6 and getting Super Mario World knowing it'll carry over on all my Nintendo consoles from now on, but ultimately every single one of us knows that that's never going to happen. Ten years from now Nintendo will create another online store which somehow doesn't have purchases carry over or they'll release a console with a different internal architecture so it isn't backwards compatible.

If for example, my purchase of Super Metroid on the Wii had carried over to the Wii U*, Switch and Switch 2 then it'd have been pretty innovative and nobody at all would have had an issue. As it stands, I'm never going to buy a 'classic' game when A) They're going to fuck us over eventually and B) I have the ENTIRE FUCKING SNES LIBRARY in my emulation folder.

*They actually had a program where you could upgrade your Wii purchases to the Wii U, but then the Switch changing architecture completely fucked it all up.
 
I was watching an MKW gameplay video on Youtube today and it struck me how magical hitting an item box and having it pop on you looks. I bet it feels just like doing a line of cocaine. God I'd love to just conk out on that road and have the item box pop on me again and again and again.
 
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