Not-E3 2020 Thread

I've wanted a successor to the x-wing series for ages but squadrons looks like trash. I'd love to be proven wrong but a space "sim" that is focused on 5v5 multiplayer with tons of cosmetics just screams e-sports cash grab. Like that isn't even a squadron worth of fighters in multiplayer while war thunder, f2p trash made by drunk russians, can do 64 player MP. I'm betting the SP is just tacked on like in battlefield and the sim elements will be non-existent. It also somehow looks more cartoony than battlefronts space combat like they fucked up the materials.
I don't understand why DICE refuses to make a Battlefront game based on what people want: Battlefield but in the Star Wars universe. This Diversity Squadron game made by Motive looks like a VR game with mobile game level of customization (that would explain why it's 5v5 max).
 
So listings for PS5 digital edition and its accessories have popped up on Amazon sites around the globe. No pricing yet, but I expect Microsoft will release the XSX pricing soon after. Or maybe they'll just hold off until later this month to announce it at their press event they have coming up.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-5-Console/dp/B08B4G9HH2
The most expensive rumored price is the launch price of the PS4 for the one with the disc drive.

However the reason why they're holding off the price is that they can undercut the competition to a large degree. 300 bucks may be the average price they could aim for with 250 for the all digital edition.

It's not going to be something crazy high like the PS3 because all the tech in the PS5 is not expensive and nothing unique was needed as far as hardware internals go. The PS3 was a nightmare to get shit to work for because everything was custom, where as the PS5 is the same basic stuff that people are mostly familiar with.
 
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The most expensive rumored price is the launch price of the PS4 for the one with the disc drive.

However the reason why they're holding off the price is that they can undercut the competition to a large degree. 300 bucks may be the average price they could aim for with 250 for the all digital edition.

It's not going to be something crazy high like the PS3 because all the tech in the PS5 is not expensive and nothing unique was needed as far as hardware internals go. The PS3 was a nightmare to get shit to work for because everything was custom, where as the PS5 is the same basic stuff that people are mostly familiar with.
At this point its corporate chicken between Sony and Microsoft. Who can undercut the most. Especially since the Switch has sold a shit load of units and its made using cell phone parts.

MS is probably going to win in the end, pricing wise. They have more cash in the vault than Sony, plain and simple. They can undercut a ton but probably won't since they want to make a profit. But if push comes to shove, they probably have some wiggle room to cut the price down before launch.
 
They both know there is no first move advantage. Sony destroyed sega and won this generation because they went 2nd and did a last second change.

The upcoming generation its easy enough to change prices so they could wait until a week before to announce the price
 
They both know there is no first move advantage. Sony destroyed sega and won this generation because they went 2nd and did a last second change.

The upcoming generation its easy enough to change prices so they could wait until a week before to announce the price

My guess is that they'll make tiers. There's already a special edition Spiderman PS5 box. And they'll keep racing lower and lower with prices for the basic entry tier.
 
My guess is that they'll make tiers. There's already a special edition Spiderman PS5 box. And they'll keep racing lower and lower with prices for the basic entry tier.
Agreed. There's already rumor, or is it fact, that there's going to be a Xbox Series S that is a bit lower spec than the Series X and lacks an optical drive.

They both know there is no first move advantage. Sony destroyed sega and won this generation because they went 2nd and did a last second change.

The upcoming generation its easy enough to change prices so they could wait until a week before to announce the price
Sega was screwed because they didn't have enough money. They might have had a fighting chance if the Saturn did well and Sega held on to their second place position. Also Sony hyped the fuck out of the PS2. IIRC they claimed the system could produce Toy Story in its sleep or some shit. And even without the hype, people still would have bought it for its DVD playback and PS1 compatibility. It wasn't until 2001 that it really came into own gaming wise, with the release of GTA3, Final Fantasy X, Gran Turismo 3, and MGS2. It was a very cheap DVD player at launch and also could play video games.
 
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Agreed. There's already rumor, or is it fact, that there's going to be a Xbox Series S that is a bit lower spec than the Series X and lacks an optical drive.

Sega was screwed because they didn't have enough money. They might have had a fighting chance if the Saturn did well and Sega held on to their second place position. Also Sony hyped the fuck out of the PS2. IIRC they claimed the system could produce Toy Story in its sleep or some shit. And even without the hype, people still would have bought it for its DVD playback and PS1 compatibility. It wasn't until 2001 that it really came into own gaming wise, with the release of GTA3, Final Fantasy X, Gran Turismo 3, and MGS2. It was a very cheap DVD player at launch and also could play video games.
Sega fucked the Saturn up by not having a new Sonic game for it. Both the SNES and N64 pretty much just had Mario at launch and kicked ass.

Long run though the retarded power struggle between the Jap and US branch would have probably fucked them.

On the subject of next gen though, pretty sad this will probably be the gen where physical media dies.
 
Sega fucked the Saturn up by not having a new Sonic game for it.
The Saturn was fucked because it had shit hardware, it released months before the planned date in America pissing off numerous developers and several retailers who weren't in on the deal, Sega of Japan killing the only mainline Sonic game being developed for the system because they because they got butthurt over the Americans using their engine, plenty of great Saturn games never released in the west, the CDs had a retarded copy prevention system that killed plenty of otherwise functional games etc. Like ZMOT said, it all boils down to SoJ being a bunch of arrogant retards though, but it is pretty interesting to count all the ways they fucked up. (It's every single way.)
 
The Saturn was fucked because it had shit hardware, it released months before the planned date in America pissing off numerous developers and several retailers who weren't in on the deal

Remember that this was still when kids were the largest demographic and fanboyism was intense. A console launch was a big thing, the launch date was like christmas. Then Sega announced that it was already in stores.

It sounds strange but the date used to be important enough for marketing to be built around it. With the PS2 Sony did the 1-2-3, Dreamcast had the 9/9/99, Saturn had "eeeh it's in stores already". It was not confident messaging.

Plus the price, for NA/EU Sony dropped $200 from the JP price of $499.
 
Sega fucked the Saturn up by not having a new Sonic game for it. Both the SNES and N64 pretty much just had Mario at launch and kicked ass.

Long run though the retarded power struggle between the Jap and US branch would have probably fucked them.

On the subject of next gen though, pretty sad this will probably be the gen where physical media dies.
You know, I don't think physical media will ever die, or not at least in our lifetimes. I know a lot of us had a "It still takes discs! PHEW!" moment with the unveilings of the XBSX and the PS5, but at the top of the last gen, I had the same feeling, and it seemed even more in jeopardy with Microsoft pulling all that DRM bullshit with the Xbone, which seemed to be so unappealing, they lost their shot at the console war for this entire generation. Discs were to be hardlocked to your console, unable to ever be resold, and the system had to hit the internet at least once every 24 hours to be usable at all.

Compare that with the modern day, where the XBSX plays everything the Xbox One can, plus whatever they added to the backwards compatibility program, discs included.

And also Sony has some kind of big stake in disc production, I don't know the details.

Regardless, if there was gonna be a crossover generation where discs die, last gen would have been the right one. But consoles aren't designed for the tech savvy, they're designed for people who want to plug two wires into their machine and have it play their games, the ones they can pick up at Walmart alongside all their cool guy shit like hammers and motor oil, or whatever normal people buy. Ffs, music has been out of the hard copy game for such a long time that its come full circle and now vinyls with streaming codes are the name of the game, so that you'll have both a hard copy, and a code so you can actually listen to what you bought.

A fan of hard copies is born every time a streaming service removes a show you were watching halfway through, or an app you bought suddenly stops working because the OS no longer supports it and you can't get a refund. Consoomers may not mind because they're vapid trendwhores who care more about being seen talking about the latest thing rather than actually enjoying it, but for everyone else with more braincells than @BoxerShorts47, it's pretty shitty to just wake up and see your shit gone because someone decided it was time for it to go. And entertainment is like the one thing where that's possible, it's not like Black & Decker is gonna come kick my ass and take my drill away if I dare use it to construct a giant letter N to put alongside the freeway.
 
I don't think physical media will ever die, or not at least in our lifetimes.
Physical media is a myth. It already died.
I think it's both.

As @Raging Capybara said, physical media is basically dead as far as functional games go. The infamous Tony Hawk game which only had the tutorial on disc is a great example, as are games that had their servers shut down.

Normies don't care about physical media or archiving per se, but they do care about their favourite episode of a show being removed from their streaming service of choice due to politics or licencing bullshit, and generally unreliable services.
 
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They just announced Atelier Ryza 2: Lost Legends and the Secret Fairy.

This is a pretty big deal that they added a "2" to the game. The Atelier iris games only had the number added due to western pressure so people would understand that it's a sequel. None of the other games ever had a number due to them always wanting the MCs to be "equal". But Gust has done this all on their own. This means that Ryza is now the most important character. And probably going forward the face of the series.
 
They just announced Atelier Ryza 2: Lost Legends and the Secret Fairy.

This is a pretty big deal that they added a "2" to the game. The Atelier iris games only had the number added due to western pressure so people would understand that it's a sequel. None of the other games ever had a number due to them always wanting the MCs to be "equal". But Gust has done this all on their own. This means that Ryza is now the most important character. And probably going forward the face of the series.
Nice of them to make a game about their main audience.
 
The 425gb update doesn't come with the disc.

Physical media is a myth. It already died.
As @Raging Capybara said, physical media is basically dead as far as functional games go. The infamous Tony Hawk game which only had the tutorial on disc is a great example, as are games that had their servers shut down.

I wonder when the availability of patches like that is going to end and finally show that discs are just dongles in pog form.
 
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I wonder when the availability of patches like that is going to end and finally show that discs are just dongles in pog form.
It already did, kind of. Nintendo shutting down the online services for Wii and DSi should be a warning sign, but those didn't really have much in the way of patches (Monster Hunter is the only game I know that had online updates), and since Nintendo fans only care about first party Nintendo, no one gave a fuck about all the digital only games that disappeared.

The first real test will be when Sony shuts down the PS3 PSN, or Microsoft shuts down the Xbox 360 XBL. I would say the Vita PSN, but no one gives a shit about the Vita except me. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are the first consoles that leaned on those systems that have games people actually care about. Although there's a 50/50 chance that we'll have a repeat of the apathy when Nintendo started shutting down their old services. I saw a lot of complaints when Valve dropped Windows XP support for Steam, but a week later no one cared.

I think Sony will be the ones to pull the plug first. Microsoft are a software company, so I think it's likely they will keep a single server running in some basement somewhere. I remember hearing that id still has one official Quake server running, so it's possible.
 
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