Culture Not Too Big To Fail: Games Workshop and Warhammer Stand on The Precipice

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Let us all be honest with ourselves to begin with. Warhammer is not in a good spot, despite a coat of paint mimicking success.

Rising costs on already overinflated product pricing. A continuing string of bad codex releases in an unpopular edition. Nonsensical lore rewrites (as opposed to retcons) that not only add nothing, but actively detract from the quality of the setting. All atop an increasingly obtuse barrier of entry for both tabletop and the lore.

Some may ignore it, but the continued dip in sales with each financial report support it. Even if Games Workshop remains in the green at the moment, the frustration is palpable even with some of their most ardent fans. People are sticking around not out of enjoyment, but hope that it may improve. The success of the Old World has more or less carried Games Workshop in 2024, with their other products flagging due to minimal releases or apathy over bad design and writing. That success won't last forever either with the Old World's limited release scope.

However, the general belief among tabletop wargame players is that Games Workshop won't ultimately fail because it's simply always going to be number one. The classic "too big to fail" fallacy at play. In reality, however, the closer you are to the top the closer failure becomes.

Games Workshop wasn't always number one. In a time long past, FASA's tabletop mech game Battletech ruled supreme with Warhammer tailing. It took FASA's implosion as a company for Warhammer to gain the #1 spot. While Catalyst Game Labs has fumbled the tabletop license, the older releases from before Topps' acquisition of the license is still an excellent, multifaceted combined arms sci-fi wargame. I personally recommend any release up to the end of the Jihad era, when FASA fell apart.

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Pictured: Mecha punching each other. Instant neuron activation.


Meanwhile, the mid-2010's were a bad time for Warhammer. Age of Sigmar debuted and immediately fell on it's face, failing to find an audience in Warhammer Fantasy fans or attracting the kind of new fans Games Workshop wanted. Warhammer 40,000 as well was having a bad time, with 6th edition being a disaster and 7th unpopular due to poor balance. During this time, Warhammer 40k was straddled on the charts by Star Wars. With X-Wing in the #1 spot and Armada at #3.

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The consequences of bad decision making.


Once again, Games Workshop was ultimately saved not by good business decisions but rather simple luck. Star Wars, as quickly as it returned to public consciousness, used up all it's good will with fans and the public at large. Games Workshop didn't so much get first as it's opponents in the race tripped while GW limped across the finish line.

Since this time, Games Workshop and Warhammer have enjoyed an uncontested position at the number one spot once again. This has been inflated by the discovery of the game outside it's general audience due to COVID lockdowns in 2020. However, it's now five years removed and the money from bored people in lockdown is proving to be finite. Many of said newcomers already left when life returned to normal. Meanwhile, Games Workshop has grown apathetic at all levels to the desires of their fans. Catering to a small minority of tournament players in terms of rules, and an even smaller minority of ideologically captured weirdos in terms of writing. To say nothing of their continued restraining of player creativity in terms of building one's models.

Space Marine 2 and Secret Level provided shots of mainstream popularity, and it's clear Games Workshop wants wider cultural relevance. The failed streaming service Warhammer+ and the Amazon deal are proof enough of that. All the same, they lack said relevance outside these momentary boosts of recognition. With Warhammer flagging, something has to give soon.

Enter Mobile Suit Gundam, and it's upcoming tabletop game Gundam Assemble.

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The situation with Mobile Suit Gundam and Gundam Assemble almost perfectly mirrors the arrival of the Star Wars miniatures games:
  • Flagging popularity of Warhammer on tabletop
  • A fandom frustrated by poor writing and price gouging
  • A competitor in a veteran franchise perfect for a tabletop wargame
Anime and manga have been overtaking western comics and animation for a long time now. Gundam itself is essentially the Japanese equivalent to Star Wars, with 46 years of content across almost every medium imaginable. Said content is also far more accessible than Warhammer's, with entering the franchise as simple as picking an episode one to watch. Either from the continuing Universal Century of assorted Alternate Universes.

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Much easier to understand than a Horus Heresy read order.


It's also a testament to Gundam's flexibility as a franchise that it spans a breadth of themes and tones. From Universal Century's semi-hard, war torn military science fiction, to AU's like G Gundam's super robot tournament arcs, Wing's soap opera melodrama, or Build Fighters which is basically Yugioh with model kits. The clear distinction between alternate universes allows for tons of variance, while keeping each isolated as to not impede upon others. There is, in essence, something for almost everyone. With a quality that has remained more or less far more consistent than Games Workshop's efforts.

Gundam Assemble takes 46 years of Gundam's continued success and drops it into the tabletop wargaming space. While details are scarce, we can glean a few things from how Bandai-Namco, the parent company who owns Sunrise, Gundam's owners, handle model making.

Gunpla, the model kit branch of the Gundam franchise, is infinitely cheaper than Warhammer for a far greater value per box. It speaks volumes when you can buy a model mech the size of an Imperial Knight for less than half the price.

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The thing Games Workshop fears most. Competitive pricing.


As you can see, Gunpla wins easily on the pricing front and matches Games Workshop's quality. This is the philosophy which Bandai-Namco will be entering the tabletop arena, along with decades of production experience and capital. With the frustration fans have over 10th edition, and the continued dislike of Age of Sigmar, it will only take a decent ruleset to put Gundam Assemble ahead of Warhammer.

So where does this leave Games Workshop? There's one thing they can do and it's down to them on how they can achieve it:
  • Course correct on pricing, rules, and lore of their own accord. With the recent cultural mandate as the perfect justification to ensure continued success.
  • Let a competitor knock them off the number one spot, and teach them a valuable lesson about ignoring your customers and fans.
The competitor is almost here. It's just a matter of time to see which they choose. Let's hope for Games Workshop's sake they choose well.
 
Is 3D printing really viable for someone casually interested in this? Newcomers are the lifeblood for these companies. 3D printers are less ubiquitous than 2D printers, and many people don't even bother to own one of those.

I think it's easier to just assume the barrier to the hobby as a whole is too expensive for newcomers.
The better path for being faced with the rise of home-brew 3D printing is not to enter into unwinnable endless lawfare against an un-inventible technology but, to just promote your own stuff as official and better-quality. You'll get a lot more sales (and a lot more goodwill in the fandom that will lead to more sales) than trying to use AI to scrape the web, find every single person using a home-made miniature, and then send every single one a C&D letter.

You are 100% in the right from a copyright standpoint, but, from a financial one? How much are you paying legal to waste chasing down single guys in basements when there's already dozens of presses and molds in China popping out a billion bootlegs that you can't ever hope to stop?
 
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Is 3D printing really viable for someone casually interested in this? Newcomers are the lifeblood for these companies. 3D printers are less ubiquitous than 2D printers, and many people don't even bother to own one of those.

I think it's easier to just assume the barrier to the hobby as a whole is too expensive for newcomers.

I'm not a person super knowledgeable about 3d printers so all I can say is that the tech is maturing and costs are coming down quickly.

Is it something everyone will have in their home someday? maybe? I'm old enough to remember when everyone poo-poo'd the thought that everyone would have a PC in the house so really who knows.

But if your a big WarHammer fan the cost of a 3D printer is very quickly made back by not buying GW's super over priced plastic junk.

Really $125US for 1 fucking model GW? It's not even that good looking of a model and you'll need at least 3 of them because of course they are going to be the new meta for a few months until GW makes a new $150US model that's even more powerful and you'll want 4 because number must go up!

Any other industry and that be called usury but for GW it's just SOP.

I've always called GW fans pigs cause that's all they are to GW just big ass piggy banks that will buy any new shit that GW introduces. You know that 1K you just spent last year? Well all those models are pure shit now. Please spend another 2K this year for the new overpowered units.

This is why I bailed on the hobby after 3rd edition. Plus the fact they took all the fun goofy stuff out of my Orks. I don't play 40K for gritty realism I have Flames of War and Team Yankee for that shit. 40K should be goofy and fun and wacky. Fuck all this grimderp they've injected into the hobby over the last decades.
 
When you try to turn your hobby from a past-time for whales (nerds with disposable incomes) to a pen for paypigs (Pay for your 'access' and piecemeal games, lil' piggies).

I hate repeating myself, but somewhere along the way in the entertainment business, someone got the idea in their heads that the goodwill of the paying customers really didn't matter (even though in company valuation, brand goodwill/loyalty is a metric). They thought they could chase new customers and that the old customers would eat whatever they were given, or worse, were less important that the 'wider audience.'

And as always, the primary source of the retardation isn't the loud fans; it's the writers. There is one or two who are good at what they do, but they are the 'avant-garde' and serve as a medium for Female Custodes because 'new and different'/'social justice'/'empowering wymyns'/etc. then a pack of mid to mediocre writers who serve as their clique. Anyone else who steps out of line gets shut out of jobs, or publicly set on like a pack of wolves, and has their reputation torn to shreds as a warning to others.
 
I replaced Games Workshop with a 3D printer years ago.
Same. Investing in 3D printing was the best decision I ever made. Everyday it gets cheaper and more accessible too. The selection of models and terrain for every genre you can imagine is limitless. And the best part is, if you fuck up a paint job, just huck the model in the trash and print a new one.

Also Gunpla will never overtake Warhammer, because Warhammer has both Sci-fi and Fantasy, it can scratch multiple itches. Elves, robots, monsters, aliens, gothic, military, space, medieval you name it, they have it. Gunpla has giant robots. It's very niche.


(Also in my personal opinion Gunpla is a very faggoty name for your hobby.)
 
Same. Investing in 3D printing was the best decision I ever made. Everyday it gets cheaper and more accessible too. The selection of models and terrain for every genre you can imagine is limitless. And the best part is, if you fuck up a paint job, just huck the model in the trash and print a new one.

Also Gunpla will never overtake Warhammer, because Warhammer has both Sci-fi and Fantasy, it can scratch multiple itches. Elves, robots, monsters, aliens, gothic, military, space, medieval you name it, they have it. Gunpla has giant robots. It's very niche.


(Also in my personal opinion Gunpla is a very faggoty name for your hobby.)
What printer do you use?

I want to upgrade.
 
What I've learned as an outsider looking in to 40k is that you can make a lot of people open their wallets with nothing more than an appealing aesthetic and 20 writers throwing world building ideas at the wall to see what sticks in the autists' minds. It's amazing what a low barrier it is to make people part with their money.
Practically every big IP atm, especially for the terminally online. You don’t even have to develop your ideas anymore, just let your audience fight over them.

Besides the lore, there’s no real draw to tabletop, especially in this economy. Even if I could afford a 3D printer, why would I use it for miniatures when I could use it for anything else? Tabletop is fat and I wouldn’t have sex with it, so’s D&D. Touching grass is free. I could’ve easily watched TTS for free before it got cancelled, but now? GW has their fingers in a lot of pies, going after their fanbase a la Nintendo only hurt them.
 
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I'm not a person super knowledgeable about 3d printers so all I can say is that the tech is maturing and costs are coming down quickly.

Is it something everyone will have in their home someday? maybe? I'm old enough to remember when everyone poo-poo'd the thought that everyone would have a PC in the house so really who knows.

But if your a big WarHammer fan the cost of a 3D printer is very quickly made back by not buying GW's super over priced plastic junk.

Really $125US for 1 fucking model GW? It's not even that good looking of a model and you'll need at least 3 of them because of course they are going to be the new meta for a few months until GW makes a new $150US model that's even more powerful and you'll want 4 because number must go up!

Any other industry and that be called usury but for GW it's just SOP.

I've always called GW fans pigs cause that's all they are to GW just big ass piggy banks that will buy any new shit that GW introduces. You know that 1K you just spent last year? Well all those models are pure shit now. Please spend another 2K this year for the new overpowered units.

This is why I bailed on the hobby after 3rd edition. Plus the fact they took all the fun goofy stuff out of my Orks. I don't play 40K for gritty realism I have Flames of War and Team Yankee for that shit. 40K should be goofy and fun and wacky. Fuck all this grimderp they've injected into the hobby over the last decades.
Cost of 3D printing are coming down, and the quality of high end printers has long been a match for anything GW produces (in fact GW has been caught several times posting articles of new or upcoming models that were 3D printed). I think the big issue is that there is still some technical knowledge and complexity involved and that's still off putting to most people.
If we ever get fool proof 3D printers were anyone can just go to the store buy themselves ones, plug it in at home and click a button to create a armies worth of high quality models then Games Workshop is in trouble. For now 3D printing is a hobby in and of itself and does require some investment just in that side alone to get the most out of it.

Granted I don't have a 3D printer myself (looking to get one now that they've become available at reasonable prices locally) so my opinion is just based off of personal research... and watching too many youtube videos where people go very in detail about how to get the perfect prints.
 
The better path for being faced with the rise of home-brew 3D printing is not to enter into unwinnable endless lawfare against an un-inventible technology but, to just promote your own stuff as official and better-quality. You'll get a lot more sales (and a lot more goodwill in the fandom that will lead to more sales) than trying to use AI to scrape the web, find every single person using a home-made miniature, and then send every single one a C&D letter.

You are 100% in the right from a copyright standpoint, but, from a financial one? How much are you paying legal to waste chasing down single guys in basements when there's already dozens of presses and molds in China popping out a billion bootlegs that you can't ever hope to stop?
Its not even the outright infringement but the fact they've nuked some good models in favor of their latest and lots of other guys have filled in gaps with totally-not-Warhammer designs.
 
look as a retarded vtuber guy, i see 40k shit everywhere. The games, the books, the gay lore. i dont see anyone talking about the tabletop stuff outside of a handful of model making streams. but vermintide, space marine 1 and 2 were everywhere for a few months.

i do have a general 3d printing question: how does that shit compare to injection moulding? ive seen pics of tamiya 3d printed clones and they look like ass.
 
I'm not a person super knowledgeable about 3d printers so all I can say is that the tech is maturing and costs are coming down quickly.

Is it something everyone will have in their home someday? maybe? I'm old enough to remember when everyone poo-poo'd the thought that everyone would have a PC in the house so really who knows.

But if your a big WarHammer fan the cost of a 3D printer is very quickly made back by not buying GW's super over priced plastic junk.

Really $125US for 1 fucking model GW? It's not even that good looking of a model and you'll need at least 3 of them because of course they are going to be the new meta for a few months until GW makes a new $150US model that's even more powerful and you'll want 4 because number must go up!

Any other industry and that be called usury but for GW it's just SOP.

I've always called GW fans pigs cause that's all they are to GW just big ass piggy banks that will buy any new shit that GW introduces. You know that 1K you just spent last year? Well all those models are pure shit now. Please spend another 2K this year for the new overpowered units.

This is why I bailed on the hobby after 3rd edition. Plus the fact they took all the fun goofy stuff out of my Orks. I don't play 40K for gritty realism I have Flames of War and Team Yankee for that shit. 40K should be goofy and fun and wacky. Fuck all this grimderp they've injected into the hobby over the last decades.
I’m a wargamer (the hex kind), but not a miniature gamer. That idea is completely foreign to me. The fact is that GWS has a virtual monopoly because you have to buy the miniatures. But wargaming has DIY roots. It started out as a book by H. G. Wells and in the hex scene we use the most basic excuse for materials that would pass as game pieces (compare the wood cubes in Risk or the little plastic men in A&A). So what the hell happened that allowed GWS to sell these things for such high prices?

At least with CGGs, obtaining the cards themselves is part of the meta. Certain cards are more rare than others. You can’t just make up cards out of thin air because that would be cheating. Is that how it works with Warhammer? Is the price and stock limitation of certain pieces in itself an effective balancing mechanic?

If that’s the case, then 3D printing would be cheating, right? And if that’s not the case, then why doesn’t the scene use paper and bottle caps? Is it an elitist thing? I get that part of the appeal is the miniatures. Clearly I’m missing something.
 
It's the same reason why I believe Trench Crusade will be a flop: you have a game that's more enjoyed as a setting/concept that most people won't put the time to actually buy any models and play, especially since people don't want to spend 100 dollars for around 10 minis
Trench crusade allows people to 3D print their own minis and offers official stls. Proxies are legal in that game.
If we ever get fool proof 3D printers were anyone can just go to the store buy themselves ones, plug it in at home and click a button to create a armies worth of high quality models then Games Workshop is in trouble. For now 3D printing is a hobby in and of itself and does require some investment just in that side alone to get the most out of it.

Granted I don't have a 3D printer myself (looking to get one now that they've become available at reasonable prices locally) so my opinion is just based off of personal research... and watching too many youtube videos where people go very in detail about how to get the perfect prints.
3D printing minis requires you to get a resin printer, something that is very toxic and requires ppe. I recommend buying prints off Etsy.
 
I thought the way to get into 40K shit was just reading the lore because nobody can afford the tabletop game these days? Sounds a little easier than Gundam where there's a million fucking timelines, some of which may or not have anything to do with the original, and the original timeline itself borders on incoherent because it's been subject to all sorts of cash grabs of dubious quality. That's why sane people don't bother explaining and say "watch it in production order", but then you're watching some trippy old-ass shit from 1979 which has weird filler episodes like the one where the Gundam is throwing boulders at a Zaku.
 
And part of the reason no-one is weeping for GW is because of how they've been rawdogging their own followers for a long-ass time. Good job in ruining the fan creation section by the way. Nuking that free positive PR department because of short-sighted Warhammer Network greed definitely improved your relations to the fans.
 
My local gaming club has 5 or 6 guys who have 3d printers between about 30 members and that seems the critical mass. I bought a very high quality Trench Crusade army off them for £40 and it was only that much because we had to chip in for the official .stl files. Otherwise it's basically free. One guy in our D&D campaign just hands out free models that he made every session. I've got a couple of really nice Beholders to paint up.

Otherwise there's people selling excellent proxies on eBay. I got an entire Blood Bowl team for less than £20 including delivery.

The club also bought some .stl files with our membership dues for some amazing wargaming scenery that shits all over what GW make.
 
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I never got into the tabletop overpriced plastic bits part of the WH4K stuff. I do have a bunch of the games though. Especially the strategy games. I often wonder how they can manage to keep selling overpriced plastic shit to people when the video games are available and allow you do the same thing. Minus all the painting building and shit like that. It's like the tabletop game for lazy people (like me). You pretty much have all the models you could want and all for the price of one game. You can play a story campaign or campaigns then play against the AI in skirmish or against people online. I never got the appeal of sitting around in a room with a bunch of other people playing a game with plastic models on a table. It's like the same thing with the D&D stuff.

I'm also aware of Gundam and like the GW WH40K stuff I never got into it though. I have watched videos of people building and painting the models of both though. It sounds like Gundam/Gunpla is trying to cut into the GW market for nerds interested in plastic model kits. As far as the Gundam stuff being easier to get into you have to understand how the Japanese work and think. They make TV shows to sell people stuff. Gundam is probably just a long commercial for all the mech kits. Whereas people in the West are usually more interested in telling a story and the whole merchandising thing is second thought. At least that's how things used to be. Like people would actually give a shit about the WH lore and universe.

I do have my own plastic model kit hobby. I just chose real life military vehicles over fictional ones and mechs because I think they are way cooler.
 
I feel like if you're lore is more widely consumed than your game, you're bound to have poor sales. It's the same reason why I believe Trench Crusade will be a flop: you have a game that's more enjoyed as a setting/concept that most people won't put the time to actually buy any models and play, especially since people don't want to spend 100 dollars for around 10 minis. I don't think GW and Warhammer as a franchise will die any time soon, but I wouldn't be surprised if they downsize heavily in the next decade.
What stuns me about GW is the sheer paucity of film or TV adaptations of the lore they've spent so long building. There are people literally champing at the bit to make feature-length 3D animated films based on WH40K. GW's own fucking fans put out better shit than GW does, and they know it. At this rate, it almost doesn't even make sense to make the miniatures anymore. TTWG is practically a dead hobby. They could cruise on media licensing, making literally millions upon millions of dollars in royalties, if they knew what the fuck they were doing and didn't actively hate their own franchise. The only people even more retarded than GW at this point are Hasbro and WOTC, and only by the thinnest fucking margins.
 
I'm also aware of Gundam and like the GW WH40K stuff I never got into it though.
So my LGS has already been running homebrew war gaming with gundam models for like... 15 years at this point. I know of at least two other stores outside the state that also have a healthy population doing the same.

If there's an official Gundam TTG coming out, there IS gonna be an audience already out there. I don't know how widespread it is, my sample size is low, but I'd be willing to bet there's enough.
 
.I'm also aware of Gundam and like the GW WH40K stuff I never got into it though. I have watched videos of people building and painting the models of both though. It sounds like Gundam/Gunpla is trying to cut into the GW market for nerds interested in plastic model kits. As far as the Gundam stuff being easier to get into you have to understand how the Japanese work and think. They make TV shows to sell people stuff. Gundam is probably just a long commercial for all the mech kits. Whereas people in the West are usually more interested in telling a story and the whole merchandising thing is second thought. At least that's how things used to be. Like people would actually give a shit about the WH lore and universe.
gundam isnt hard to understand: soyboy hero joins the allies and fights space nazis in big robots, theres a few love triangles and "war sure is hell" motifs. why you would use giant obnoxious robots to fight a war is beyond me.

I dont know what the tabletop ruleset would be but


So my LGS has already been running homebrew war gaming with gundam models for like... 15 years at this point. I know of at least two other stores outside the state that also have a healthy population doing the same.
it wouldn't be hard to use current gundam model kits as standins for warhammer figurines. you can buy 1/144 scale gundam kits for $15-20 and build a sizeable army.
 
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