Null's Gambit - My attempt at getting Chris to talk openly

[sugarcummies]

This is clear extortion, autistic LARPing or not. Threatening to release videos that will frame someone as a pedo is plain and simple blackmail, and the amount of money that they got out of Chris is sickening. I don't think the case will be as easily dismissed as some of you think.

Chris is disconnected from reality and really needs help. He has been insane for years, just look at the time he cut open his taint to release a pussy. These morons managed to pull him farther and farther from reality, and I think it's to a point where Chris really needs assisted living. The ramblings you see in these messages are reminiscent of someone in psychosis.

Godspeed Null. I hope you get justice for Chris and he ends up with a more healthy living situation.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

We need a forum bookie to take odds on Null's gambit succeeding.

I think it depends on what "working" would entail. Would it mean Chris actually goes to the police, or would it mean Boyd/Wise get put on trial?

For only $6k, I am not sure the feds are going to do much. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but not to the feds. When the amount of money spent prosecuting the case far exceeds the amount swindled, the feds usually don't do much.

State police might, but since Boyd and Wise live in different states, I cannot imagine they will do much.

I hope I am wrong, though

 

[Iamthatis]

I hope Chris can get some help. He has retreated almost completely retreated into his delusion. He probably sees Magi-Chan there with him and believes he’s protecting him because down inside even he knows he needs someone to watch over him. I don’t understand why people are so combative with Null over this. The man actually does the right thing by Chris and you’re still not satisfied. The way I see it either Chris gets justice or a professional gets a view into his madness and he gets help. Either option is good.

 

[Four-Wheeled Fedora]

I think it depends on what "working" would entail. Would it mean Chris actually goes to the police, or would it mean Boyd/Wise get put on trial?

For only $6k, I am not sure the feds are going to do much. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but not to the feds. When the amount of money spent prosecuting the case far exceeds the amount swindled, the feds usually don't do much.

State police might, but since Boyd and Wise live in different states, I cannot imagine they will do much.

I hope I am wrong, though

I think getting Chris to tell an adult or authority figure what happened so maybe he can get some help is success enough and I sincerely doubt even that will happen. Yeah 6k probably isn't enough to arouse the interest of the law but maybe it can draw attention to the fact that he is in danger of doing serious financial harm to himself over internet magic beans so that some kind of social worker or therapist can help him get his shit together. I'm probably being overly optimistic about the capabilities of whatever social safety net Virginia offers for the mentally handicapped but I doubt Chris will even get that far because he seems totally lost with zero people IRL to help him find his way back to reality.

 

[TiggerNits]

I think it depends on what "working" would entail. Would it mean Chris actually goes to the police, or would it mean Boyd/Wise get put on trial?

For only $6k, I am not sure the feds are going to do much. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but not to the feds. When the amount of money spent prosecuting the case far exceeds the amount swindled, the feds usually don't do much.

State police might, but since Boyd and Wise live in different states, I cannot imagine they will do much.

I hope I am wrong, though

Maybe the IRS would love to hear about 6k in gifts that aren't being claimed. Thats the long ball in this situation but those guys are bulldogs once they have proof of unclaimed gains, and @Null seems to have that

 

[Cheeseburger Picnic]

Maybe the IRS would love to hear about 6k in gifts that aren't being claimed. Thats the long ball in this situation but those guys are bulldogs once they have proof of unclaimed gains, and @Null seems to have that

The annual gift exclusion amount is $14k, meaning you don't need to file a gift tax return if the amount is under that.

 

[TiggerNits]

The annual gift exclusion amount is $14k, meaning you don't need to file a gift tax return if the amount is under that.

I though 14k was for filing jointly, 6 for single, Oh well

 

[zap2theextreme]

He's probably going to explain poorly and the therapist is going to think these Joshua and Boyd characters are just another delusion in his fantasy land.

 

[Chicken Picnic]

Just because Chris isnt all there upstairs doesnt negate the fact it's extortion/criminal. In a way, it just adds to it. These people used the fact that Chris is very impressionable to get money out of her- they used the fact that she is a vulnerable person to get what they wanted.

It doesnt matter if it looks stupid, that its some bizarre RP shit, its cut and dry extortion and even law professionals have said that (i dont remember the guy's name that was on TRR with Null the other day, but he explained it very well). Honestly, I dont understand why anyone is saying the legal case is iffy or that Null doing this is a lost cause, theres tons of evidence supporting this at this point. If someone extorts someone who is a heroin addict, making them commit a crime in return for drugs/money for example, the person who made them do the shit in the first place is still just as responsible for what happened. The person is vulnerable, and there are laws and shit purely dedicated to protecting people from this specifically as they're piss easy to extort, otherwise anyone could do shit to disabled people and just get away with it by saying "nah they're crazy we didnt do anything its all just internet RPing XD."

On the psychiatrist/therapist topic, in the UK you can nominate someone to be an advocate for you during your care. Usually its useful for people who have conditions that have episodes of illness that decrease their capacity to make decisions. I don't know if the US has similar, but if Chris was to give Null permission to be in contact with her therapist then that means confidentiality wouldn't be an issue. It is all up to Chris, but she seems to trust Null so I hope it will work out. I agree with others that say it's best to not rely on Chris to tell them everything, but also having someone like Null who was involved in not only this event, but knowledge of her past too, would be helpful to give context to this whole situation.

 

[Canned Bread]

Trust me, when this whole thing went down it was tough wrapping our heads around.

Without the ring this may have still been going on. Now it's a reality stone? Isn't the reality stone green, not amnyfest?

The reality stone is Red. If he was saying the stone was the Power Stone (Which is the Purple Stone) then he would still be crazy yes, but he would at least be somewhat accurate. I honestly feel like bringing these types of errors up might somewhat help with the delusions (It's just really sad to see somebody whose sense of reality is so warped, I really want for Chris to be able to seperate fiction from reality just like the rest of us).

 

[repentance]

Is there a community legal centre near Chris? At some point in any legal process Chris is going to have to tell the story in his own words, both to those investigating the complaint and eventually to a court. It's going to be very difficult for him to do that in any coherent way without some kind of advocate helping him. If Chris finds the process itself too stressful, he may become uncooperative.

Contact with a community legal service may also increase the likelihood of the complaint being acted on instead of authorities deciding to throw it in the too hard basket because Chris is unlikely to make a good witness.

 

[Pvt. Real G]

I am just curious if Chris is really even half serious in pursuing these fuckers. All he has been up to is coloring his books and getting ready for Bronycon. It's been months after the whole extortion thing has happened. I know legal stuff takes a while, but I feel like Chris is too lax. I know Chris has been to the police, but he doesn't even talk serious with @Null and just drift away with his fantasy stuff. He might just be pulling a classic "Im workin on it". If he doesn't go full throttle on this, I feel like this case will just kinda drift away into the wind.

 

[Chicken Picnic]

Is there a community legal centre near Chris? At some point in any legal process Chris is going to have to tell the story in his own words, both to those investigating the complaint and eventually to a court. It's going to be very difficult for him to do that in any coherent way without some kind of advocate helping him. If Chris finds the process itself too stressful, he may become uncooperative.

Contact with a community legal service may also increase the likelihood of the complaint being acted on instead of authorities deciding to throw it in the too hard basket because Chris is unlikely to make a good witness.

Couldn’t she write a sworn statement? That way, she can get all of her thoughts down in a concise manner with the help of a lawyer and therapist. The case is pretty loaded with evidence in Chris’ favour and we don’t even know, if it went to court, how the guys would plead. If they plead guilty, no trial would have to even happen.

 

[Mason Verger]

I am just curious if Chris is really even half serious in pursuing these fuckers. All he has been up to is coloring his books and getting ready for Bronycon. It's been months after the whole extortion thing has happened. I know legal stuff takes a while, but I feel like Chris is too lax. I know Chris has been to the police, but he doesn't even talk serious with @Null and just drift away with his fantasy stuff. He might just be pulling a classic "Im workin on it". If he doesn't go full throttle on this, I feel like this case will just kinda drift away into the wind.

Hopefully the fact that he doesn't have anything going on after this bronycon except the NEXT bronycon will get his head in the game.

 

[Marvin]

I am just curious if Chris is really even half serious in pursuing these fuckers. All he has been up to is coloring his books and getting ready for Bronycon. It's been months after the whole extortion thing has happened. I know legal stuff takes a while, but I feel like Chris is too lax. I know Chris has been to the police, but he doesn't even talk serious with @Null and just drift away with his fantasy stuff. He might just be pulling a classic "Im workin on it". If he doesn't go full throttle on this, I feel like this case will just kinda drift away into the wind.

Outside people (like therapists) can help Chris file the necessary paperwork. That's what's happening.

 

[Done]

Outside people (like therapists) can help Chris file the necessary paperwork. That's what's happening.

Would be hilarious to see the two idiots get taken to court by an autist who literally colored childish comicbooks the whole time..

That would be a side-splitting answer to "What got you in this jail cell?"

 

[repentance]

Couldn’t she write a sworn statement? That way, she can get all of her thoughts down in a concise manner with the help of a lawyer and therapist. The case is pretty loaded with evidence in Chris’ favour and we don’t even know, if it went to court, how the guys would plead. If they plead guilty, no trial would have to even happen.

Courts here aren't fond of reliance on affidavits/sworn statements and will generally insist on an appearance by video link if someone has a compelling reason for being unable to appear in person. It may be different in Chris's jurisdiction.

We have no idea how a prosecutor would assess the strength of the evidence or what charges they may ultimately file, and have little ability to influence that. Someone familiar with the courts and the people in Chris's jurisdiction can provide the best guidance on that. A community legal service should have some idea of how aggressively a situation like Chris's is likely to be investigated/prosecuted, which often comes down to the personalities of those in key positions with an added dose of the current law enforcement priorities in a region.

We also don't know how likely these scumbags would be to fight any charges.

There's a good chance that getting anything done about this is going to require some effort on Chris's part, and his willingness to expend that effort is a bit of an unknown quantity.

 

[Jack Awful]

I think it depends on what "working" would entail. Would it mean Chris actually goes to the police, or would it mean Boyd/Wise get put on trial?

For only $6k, I am not sure the feds are going to do much. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but not to the feds. When the amount of money spent prosecuting the case far exceeds the amount swindled, the feds usually don't do much.

State police might, but since Boyd and Wise live in different states, I cannot imagine they will do much.

I hope I am wrong, though

I think the best chance they have of being brought to justice is having the sympathy card played because they blackmailed and extorted a 30 year old autistic manchild by threatening to blow up his imaginary world and making him shit on the floor.

 

[Marvin]

There's a good chance that getting anything done about this is going to require some effort on Chris's part, and his willingness to expend that effort is a bit of an unknown quantity.

I don't think that's the case. I think Chris will merely need to show up and speak, which he'll have ample help doing.

 

[wellthathappened]

Outside people (like therapists) can help Chris file the necessary paperwork. That's what's happening.

This will be an interesting experiment in intentions vs results.