Null's Gambit - My attempt at getting Chris to talk openly

[AnOminous]

It is a good idea on paper, but I have doubts on some things:

-The therapist being able to decipher Chris' word salads.

Chris isn't mentally well. He needs help but I cannot imagine anyone unfamiliar with him being able to understand his complex and unintelligible rantings of CPU sister Gods and alternate cartoon dimensions while also deciphering what he's saying about the real world as he believes CWCville is real and will no doubt mix events in reality and his mind together.

You do realize it's literally the job of psychiatrists and psychologists to recognize crazy and talk to crazy people, right? They're the actual professionals in this shit, not us.

 

[Subconcious Offense]

Honestly, I think it's pretty stupid anyone has had a problem with Null intervening. This is the most classic "troll" tactic with Chris. Help him and he gives you fucktons of content. Literally what Marvin and Co. had been doing for years.

It's true, we got Hedgehog Defense Mode because @The Captain tried to help.

 

[Marvin]

Is this really about helping Chris, or punishing Joshua Wise and Stephen Boyd? Because if you actually want to help Chris, you should be using whatever influence you have over him to get him to permanently cease all one-on-one contact with anyone from the internet who is not a trusted friend or ebay customer.

Yes, null's been doing that. That was the purpose of this thread. Anyone wanting to buy something from Chris has to go through null first. If they're trying to troll Chris, they get doxed and laughed at.

The money he gave them is gone forever, and even if you somehow manage to put into motion a sequence of events leading to a criminal investigation, prosecution, and conviction, that still won't help Chris in any practical way.

Sure it will.

In the most concrete way, it'll get him back his money in the form of restitution. It'll also get him justice.

And on a longer timeline, it'll have established a very scary precedent for future aspiring Idea Guys.

 

[wes]

I'd suggest asking CWC for the email of his therapist/helper and writing a long email documenting the concerns that have arisen from his internet life and now put his entire life/house at risk.

If not that, then writing a courteous email and asking CWC to print it and bring it with him.

As many have mentioned, it would be difficult on the legal end. HIPPA is taken extremely seriously, and I'd imagine Chris would be signing many documents to have a successful team behind him. Because he's over 18, Barb can't do shit (not that I can see her being capable of anything). As far as I know, someone would have to become a legal proxy for him, thus giving that person the right to make important decisions for Chris. My only experience with that specifically was with patients who had neurologically degenerative disorders and had their spouse or kids help deal with legal matters like DNR. IANAL though.

I also don't see any harm in people trying to help CWC. Autists are going to shit on everything, but from what I have seen very few people have tried to help CWC or have been able to get through to him on any real level.

What would worry me would be a we;en getting Chris's trust and then fucking him over just like Boyd and Wise. Which could be anyone, so it becomes a gamble to let that happen, especially after this whole ordeal. Even government custody have iffy caretakers at best, in my experience.

 

[Mason Verger]

You do realize it's literally the job of psychiatrists and psychologists to recognize crazy and talk to crazy people, right? They're the actual professionals in this shit, not us.

But.. But.. We have the CWCki.. How else will they know that "Reldnach Notsew Naistirhc" is a thinly veiled manifestation of Chris's inner urges!

 

[Wrathcaster]

I'm a bit concerned that the moment Chris starts talking with authorities he fucks it up and ends up going on a rant that bypasses the actual crimes but instead is a diatribe on his bizarre headcanon.

They end up hearing insane gibberish for however he's allowed to speak, and by some miracle he gets to the point of extortion they're thinking "hmmmm, how reliable of a witness is this guy?"

I know you've got Discord logs and receipts, but isn't it possible anyone not intimately familiar with Chris' delusions might look at ig all and say "well here's someone who is clearly delusional/insane and sent some guys gift cards."

There's plenty of crazy people out there with crazy delusions who also accuse very real people of committing very real crimes, yet they are rarely taken seriously. You've got discord logs of nigh-incomprehensible gibberish roleplay with demands for money and videos. Do you really think it will get to a point where someone in a position to do anything about this is going to sit down and look at the main concrete evidence of extortion, the logs, and read them? Comb through all that bullshit and look for evidence a crime has taken place?

Even then, we have people talking to Chris through pseudonyms via online chat as fictional entities. Sure, Null and co. are able to confirm Wise and Boyd's identities through the means at their disposal but authorities will have to do this as well, independently. Are they going to make that effort? Dozens of hours, if not days worth of investigative work? And your primary witness and victim is a crazy person who will most likely give the worst, most unreliable account of this mess possible.

I'm not saying don't help, but all these things taken together make this a huge uphill battle for Chris to see justice.

Also, Sonichu, Neptunia, MLP, and now fucking Marvel lore are all involved? Chris has fucking lost it. Motherfucker really thinks he has an infinity stone. Imagine if he brings that along to a shrink or police station.

 

[Marvin]

I'm a bit concerned that the moment Chris starts talking with authorities he fucks it up and ends up going on a rant that bypasses the actual crimes but instead is a diatribe on his bizarre headcanon.

They end up hearing insane gibberish for however he's allowed to speak, and by some miracle he gets to the point of extortion they're thinking "hmmmm, how reliable of a witness is this guy?"

I know you've got Discord logs and receipts, but isn't it possible anyone not intimately familiar with Chris' delusions might look at ig all and say "well here's someone who is clearly delusional/insane and sent some guys gift cards."

There's plenty of crazy people out there with crazy delusions who also accuse very real people of committing very real crimes, yet they are rarely taken seriously. You've got discord logs of nigh-incomprehensible gibberish roleplay with demands for money and videos. Do you really think it will get to a point where someone in a position to do anything about this is going to sit down and look at the main concrete evidence of extortion, the logs, and read them? Comb through all that bullshit and look for evidence a crime has taken place?

Even then, we have people talking to Chris through pseudonyms via online chat as fictional entities. Sure, Null and co. are able to confirm Wise and Boyd's identities through the means at their disposal but authorities will have to do this as well, independently. Are they going to make that effort? Dozens of hours, if not days worth of investigative work? And your primary witness and victim is a crazy person who will most likely give the worst, most unreliable account of this mess possible.

I'm not saying don't help, but all these things taken together make this a huge uphill battle for Chris to see justice.

Also, Sonichu, Neptunia, MLP, and now fucking Marvel lore are all involved? Chris has fucking lost it. Motherfucker really thinks he has an infinity stone. Imagine if he brings that along to a shrink or police station.

Coherent criminal complaints have been filed.

 

[MrTroll]

Sure it will.

In the most concrete way, it'll get him back his money in the form of restitution. It'll also get him justice.

As if these guys have 6000 bucks laying around. Or would, after paying for an expensive legal defense in another state.

And on a longer timeline, it'll have established a very scary precedent for future aspiring Idea Guys.

Or just teach them to extort Chris in a smarter way that leaves fewer tracks. Like, instead of having him ship things directly to their home address, give them cryptocurrency or gift cards. If these guys weren't totally indifferent to Chris having extensive personal information about them, we wouldn't even have names to go on.

 

[GS 281]

In the most concrete way, it'll get him back his money in the form of restitution. It'll also get him justice.

You're assuming Wise and Boyd have that kinda money. I don't know much about them, but even if they're working and not on the tuggie, i don't see them having savings or making enough that garnishment would result in more than a dribble over time.

And on a longer timeline, it'll have established a very scary precedent for future aspiring Idea Guys.

Yeah, but more likely there won't be any type of legal action. If LEO is ignoring all of this right now, and from all the things we have been exposed to thus far it looks pretty much like an extended autismal RP session, professionals dealing with irl crimes or net reporters looking to discuss some weird web phenomenon will just look at this like a floppy cock. The story is salient because chris was dumb enough to believe this trash, from what has been shown to the audience, it isn't salient because of the extremes it went to.

The most salient elements are the things you all have chosen to keep to yourself. And for good reason. Seeing Chris shit or beat himself or his mom doesnt sound interesting to us and ultimately can spell trouble for chris as well, but without that shock value, its a limp dick.

So what is more likely? You push it to your limit, people see that the Wise Guys have no real world consequences, learn to cover up their dox a bit better, get a little crafty when your guard's down (because you can't keep this up forever), and someone else accepts the challenge of trolling the Chris-Chan into a grave.

You don't penetrate an asshole with a half-hard cock, if you have any chance of getting the attention you want, you probably have to go full-on, obnoxious shock value with it.

 

[TheMockTurtle]

I’m never going to forget the time we all got super serious and roped in to 3 retards roleplaying adventures

@Null I hope you know that if there were a prosecution, all your communications with Chris and potentially about Chris could be supoena’d. This situation is a mess and I think there are potentially bigger consequences to the farms as a whole that you maybe haven’t considered.

Godspeed, tardos

 

[Null]

@Null I hope you know that if there were a prosecution, all your communications with Chris and potentially about Chris could be supoena’d. This situation is a mess and I think there are potentially bigger consequences to the farms as a whole that you maybe haven’t considered.

I don't live in the U.S. and have said nothing incriminating to Chris. I will shake this tree until something falls out.

You harp in all these threads that there's no criminality here but there clearly is. I don't know what your game is and I don't care. Be quiet.

 

[MrTroll]

I’m never going to forget the time we all got super serious and roped in to 3 exceptional individuals roleplaying adventures

@Null I hope you know that if there were a prosecution, all your communications with Chris and potentially about Chris could be supoena’d. This situation is a mess and I think there are potentially bigger consequences to the farms as a whole that you maybe haven’t considered.

Godspeed, tardos

That wouldn't even be the bigger problem. Turning that stuff over wouldn't be hard and I doubt Null has anything to hide. But Chris himself would be expected to testify, provide information as needed to the court and to the defense, etc. Good luck getting him to deal with that competently.

 

[TheMockTurtle]

I don't live in the U.S. and have said nothing incriminating to Chris. I will shake this tree until something falls out.

You harp in all these threads that there's no criminality here but there clearly is. I don't know what your game is and I don't care. Be quiet.

I’m pretty sure I’ve never said there isn’t criminality, what I have said is that it isn’t the slam dunk that you think it is. I do support you, and I’m just trying to help you look at this from all angles. If you want an echo chamber I’m happy to stay out of it.

 

[Null]

I’m pretty sure I’ve never said there isn’t criminality, what I have said is that it isn’t the slam dunk that you think it is. I do support you, and I’m just trying to help you look at this from all angles. If you want an echo chamber I’m happy to stay out of it.

You have people directly saying "If you don't give me money I will do something bad to you", I don't understand how it could possibly be more clear cut.

 

[Wrathcaster]

Coherent criminal complaints have been filed.

His complaint isn't what I'm referring to in this instance. I'm referring to the follow-up that must take place before any DA is going to file a complaint with the clerk. It was the local sheriff Chris filed his complaint with, right? Before anything further is done, they'll need to do their own investigation to determine if a crime has actually taken place. Before this even gets to the DA. Same deal with federal authorities. That investigation hinges on some evidence that is suspect, at best. Strongest evidence that it's a crime, we've got what?

1. Chris' word. See my previous post.
2. Discord logs. See my previous post.
3. Receipts for gift cards and other purchases and shipping info.
4. Videos that resulted from Discord and whatever other communications that took place.

From what I've heard so far, those videos include a.) Chris shitting on the floor. b.) Chris confessing to being a pedophile and rapist c.) a video of Chris punching himself.

Two of those, taken alone, aren't crimes. One is actually evidence that Chris confessed to a crime. And for those to be tied to extortion, you're back to 1 and 2 to show intent. That's what law enforcement is going to have to go through for this to make it to trial, or more likely some plea deal for Wise and Boyd. But before anything happens if they're serious about pursuing this further, they're going to want to talk to Chris again, and that's where I'm concerned. I worry that once he's sat in front of actual investigators, he's going to go full batshit and they start having second thoughts about it all.

 

[Terrorist]

It is a good idea on paper, but I have doubts on some things:

-Chris' honesty, how much he is willing to reveal RELEVANT things to said therapist before slipping onto a fantasy world tirade.

He'll definitely need to clarify and be able to prove that what Wise and Boyd did to him actually happened IRL and not in sonichu world. If he doesn't clearly delineate cwcville and real life, the therapist is gonna think the harassment was about as real as the moon laser and electric hedgehog pokemon. He and the therapist need to be on the same page if they want to get anywhere, and that will be a challenge considering how much background you need to parse all this shit.

 

[TheMockTurtle]

You have people directly saying "If you don't give me money I will do something bad to you", I don't understand how it could possibly be more clear cut.

The short answer is because Chris is actively participating in the fantasy. There are multiple times when Wise asserts something and Chris says “nuh uh! It’s actually this way!”, creating doubt as to how much Chris’s arm is really being twisted. Guys do weirder things on the internet involving money and fantasy. Yes I understand Chris has a diminished capacity.

My point is that this case is going to face scrutiny and it’s best to be prepared for it in advance. I understand this isn’t the kind of feedback you want so I’ll stay out of it.

 

[MrTroll]

You have people directly saying "If you don't give me money I will do something bad to you", I don't understand how it could possibly be more clear cut.

Nothing is clear cut once lawyers get involved.

And anyway, even in the event of a successful criminal prosecution, once all the dust clears these guys would get a slap on the wrist. They'd plead out to some misdemeanor, get probation and some deal where as long as they don't extort another retard for a year or two, the whole thing goes away. You know, the kind of deal Chris himself has gotten multiple times.

 

[Null]

My point is that this case is going to face scrutiny and it’s best to be prepared for it in advance. I understand this isn’t the kind of feedback you want so I’ll stay out of it.

Fuck off with your sancitmonious shit.

You know, the kind of deal Chris himself has gotten multiple times.

Except Chris has never committed a felony.


Put each in a box. They will squeal to save themselves.

 

[Mason Verger]

Chris can't act in his own defense yet. He just thanked these guys over twitter for opening up new worlds to him. A half decent defense attorney will have Chris channeling Cryzel on the stand. The evidence will need to speak for him.