Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

[Kekky]

Conspiracy Theorist Sidney Powell was fired from the Trump Legal Team due to several of her conspiracy theories being proven false. Now the Trumptards are claiming she was never on the team, even though she's been representing the campaign on tv and at events. The President also confirmed that she was on the team, previously, via Twitter.

Crazy Sidney claimed that Dominion was designed and developed in Venezuela and that's been proven FALSE by even hardcore right sources. There are many sources but one prominent source is the OSET Institute, a nonpartisan election technology research and development nonprofit.

You can file a formal complaint against Sidney Powell with the Texas Bar Association, here:

https://www.texasbar.com/Content/NavigationMenu/ForThePublic/ProblemswithanAttorney/GrievanceEthicsInfo1/File_a_Grievance.htm

You forgot to start off with hello fellow kids. Eat a warm shit sandwich.

 

[alreadyhome]

When did Americans stop speaking with that "sophisticated" intonation and start speaking with the modern-day "casual" tone? Sorry if I'm not too clear but I notice it all the time with old-school newscasters and the current-day ones, it's like pre-1980s American TV hosts speak with a deeper, more focused voice and as you go all the way through to the early 2000s, you can see their style of presentation gradually become more carefree and softer-voiced. It's weird.

Weakened morale

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

What do you mean "no one called the election" in 2016.

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/796253849451429888

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There is one major difference in the media's coverage then and now.

There was no longer an opponent. Despite never shutting the fuck up Clinton never formally unconceded so the media was able to proceed with calling Trump president-elect. I don't like that they did because the EC hadn't met yet but at least there wasn't an ongoing race.

By way of comparison, take a look at the language employed to cover the 2000 race. Nobody is "elect".

The language regarding the candidates is neutral.

Neither candidate was forced on the people as "president-elect" while there was still an active race.

Compare all that neutrality to this buzzword-laden excerpt:

Meanwhile, the arrogance the media has displayed in the midst of an ongoing race is nothing short of infuriating.

The MSM has collapsed.

I stuck to AP articles to ensure I was comparing apples to apples as much as possible.

Spoiler: source links

Trump claims astounding victory as America's 45th president

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump claimed his place Wednesday as America's 45th president, an astonishing victory for the celebrity businessman and political novice who capitalized on voters' economic anxieties, took advantage of racial tensions and overcame a string of sexual assault allegations...

apnews.com

Gore Retracts Concession Call

WASHINGTON (AP) _ Vice President Al Gore conceded the presidential race in a telephone call to George W. Bush on Wednesday morning _ then took it back.

apnews.com

Americans Puzzled About Election

In Boston, Thomas Almeida didn't get much accomplished. In the Pittsburgh suburb of Monroeville, Dennis Gilbert had already lost interest. And in Foyil, Okla., Dolores Panter was confident that God would eventually sort it all out. Democrat or Republican, cranky or idealistic, Americans...

apnews.com

Supreme Court and Election Returns

WASHINGTON (AP) _ A century ago a sarcastic commentator famously observed that the Supreme Court follows the election returns. Rival brigades of lawyers are now trying to make the reverse happen _ not only with one Supreme Court but two, America's and Florida's.

apnews.com

Gore Makes Case in Top Fla. Court

Al Gore's lawyer pleaded with a seemingly skeptical Florida Supreme Court on Thursday to order selective manual recounts that could revive the vice president's fading quest for the White House. George W. Bush looked to the state's justices to finally count his rival out.

apnews.com

 

[introvertedobserver]

The states called it then too. The Associated Press is just reporting what the states were telling them. Math shows who is going to win, so you can call the winner before they finalize every last vote.

That's not how that works.

States don't call shit till certification (that is the states "calling it").

AP makes a "call" when they feel confident the vote in a state is going to end up a certain way. It's not an official call. It's just their opinion of how it's going to shake out. It's also been fairly accurate over the years, with only a handful of retractions ("uncalling").

Simple google search dude, simple google search.

https://www.ap.org/en-us/topics/politics/elections/how-we-call-races

 

[Techpriest]

That's not how that works.

States don't call shit till certification (that is the states "calling it").

AP makes a "call" when they feel confident the vote in a state is going to end up a certain way. It's not an official call. It's just their opinion of how it's going to shake out. It's also been fairly accurate over the years, with only a handful of retractions ("uncalling").

Simple google search dude, simple google search.

https://www.ap.org/en-us/topics/politics/elections/how-we-call-races

Even before the certification a state can pretty much say “there’s this many votes for this person, and this many for this person.” When all the votes are in, this tells you who won. This happens before certification more often than not.

 

[Oreo Jenkins]

By way of comparison, take a look at the language employed to cover the 2000 race. Nobody is "elect".

In 2000, the state of Florida which would make the difference between Bush winning the Electoral College by 271-267 or Gore winning 292-246 ended up being certified with Bush the winner by 537 votes. So no-one knew at 15 days after Election Day who would end up winning Florida and therefore the Presidency. This isn't difficult to understand.

The claim that the 2020 Presidential election is as close as the 2000 Presidential election isn't a serious claim and anyone proposing it is just trolling at this point. Biden leads Trump by 80,000 in PA, 150,000 in MI, 12,000 in GA, 20,000 in WI, 10,000 in AZ. Trump needs to flip those leads in three of those states to win the election.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Conspiracy Theorist Sidney Powell was fired from the Trump Legal Team due to several of her conspiracy theories being proven false. Now the Trumptards are claiming she was never on the team, even though she's been representing the campaign on tv and at events. The President also confirmed that she was on the team, previously, via Twitter.

Crazy Sidney claimed that Dominion was designed and developed in Venezuela and that's been proven FALSE by even hardcore right sources. There are many sources but one prominent source is the OSET Institute, a nonpartisan election technology research and development nonprofit.

You can file a formal complaint against Sidney Powell with the Texas Bar Association, here:

https://www.texasbar.com/Content/NavigationMenu/ForThePublic/ProblemswithanAttorney/GrievanceEthicsInfo1/File_a_Grievance.htm

Yeah why would anyone waste their time with that?

Lawyers are usually given huge leeway to bullshit about all manner of stuff in service of their clients. She can simply say she was passing on information that she had read.

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

In 2000, the state of Florida which would make the difference between Bush winning the Electoral College by 271-267 or Gore winning 292-246 ended up being certified with Bush the winner by 537 votes. So no-one knew at 15 days after Election Day who would end up winning Florida and therefore the Presidency. This isn't difficult to understand.

The claim that the 2020 Presidential election is as close as the 2000 Presidential election isn't a serious claim and anyone proposing it is just trolling at this point. Biden leads Trump by 80,000 in PA, 150,000 in MI, 12,000 in GA, 20,000 in WI, 10,000 in AZ. Trump needs to flip those leads in three of those states to win the election.

The media does not coronate the President-elect. Although Biden is projected to win, nobody has won yet. Trump has legal options remaining. That matters. It's fishy that the media balks at the president having the audacity to exercise his Constitually-afforded right to litigation.

 

[StuffedBallot]

The media does not coronate the President-elect. Although Biden is projected to win, nobody has won yet. Trump has legal options remaining. That matters. It's fishy that the media balks at the president having the audacity to exercise his Constitually-afforded right to litigation.

Forgive me, but I am not fucking trusting the media after they post this and then hastily delete it. On *Election Day* no less.
I have no particular horse in this race, but peeople acting like what the media is doing is normal are fucking retarded.

 

[Oreo Jenkins]

Language matters, and the media does not coronate the President-elect.

Agreed, but there are facts. The facts are that Biden has won enough states to have a majority in the Electoral College and will most likely be the 46th President of the United States. That's what President-elect means. The only reason why I'm saying most likely is (a) the Trump campaign, DOJ or someone else could find actual evidence of an election fixing conspiracy or (b) Biden could die before midday on 20th January and Harris would be the 46th President instead.

Forgive me, but I am not fucking trusting the media after they post this and then hastily delete it. On *Election Day* no less.
I have no particular horse in this race, but peeople acting like what the media is doing is normal are fucking retarded.

I want to get this on record. How likely do you think that Biden won the 2020 Presidential election? How high a confidence would you need to start calling Biden 'President-Elect'?

 

[Paranoia Machine]

The media does not coronate the President-elect. Although Biden is projected to win, nobody has won yet. Trump has legal options remaining. That matters. It's fishy that the media balks at the president having the audacity to exercise his Constitually-afforded right to litigation.

Nobody is saying that he can't litigate, they are criticizing his choice to litigate en mass before all the votes were counted.
He jumped the gun and proved that he never had any intention of playing fair. He was hoping for a landslide in his favor and got upset the second it looked good for Biden.

So now, instead of having a shred of integrity, Trump has dug his heels in and is refusing to work with Biden's team on anything, including Biden's Coronavirus task force.
Meaning if Biden gets into office on January 20th it will be the first day his team will have any access to any government resources related to Covid
This in turn will result in a months-long setback to any action that can be taken to fighting Covid.

There is good reason for everyone to be critical of this.

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

Agreed, but there are facts. The facts are that Biden has won enough states to have a majority in the Electoral College and will most likely be the 46th President of the United States. That's what President-elect means. The only reason why I'm saying most likely is (a) the Trump campaign, DOJ or someone else could find actual evidence of an election fixing conspiracy or (b) Biden could die before midday on 20th January and Harris would be the 46th President instead.

There is a projected president-elect.

There is no president-elect until either the EC casts their votes or a candidate has no remaining competitors (regardless of the strength of those remaining competitors).

I will be stickler on this definition.

 

[TherapyMan]

There is a projected president-elect.

There is no president-elect until either the EC casts their votes or a candidate has no remaining competitors (regardless of the strength of those remaining competitors).

I will be stickler on this definition.

I prefer the definition in 18 U.S.C. § 871(b): The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2.

 

[EyelessMC]

I prefer the definition in 18 U.S.C. § 871(b): The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2.

"Apparent" does not mean "projected", and the results are not ascertained by "projection" alone during the election process.
Again, as before, language matters. Plus go back and refer to this entire page of responses to see what I was getting at which others explained better.

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

I prefer the definition in 18 U.S.C. § 871(b): The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2.

I wasn't able to access your links, so I found links of my own. If the wording differs please let me know.

U.S.C. Title 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

Spoiler

(b) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 19 and 20.

My interpretation of this definition is not in conflict with my layman version above.


Are these the sections referenced? Did I find the wrong bit of legislation? (legit questions)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/1

Spoiler

The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 672.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/2

Spoiler

Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

The facts are that Biden has won enough states to have a majority in the Electoral College

Well that's where you're wrong bucko. Until the states in limbo have gone through the processes and actually appear to be sending electors for Biden it's premature to say things are over. Arguably one of Trump's most likely path to victory is through the state's not sending electors at all. So it's hard to say he won enough of anything in the Electoral College when even the presence of some electors is in doubt.

 

[Oreo Jenkins]

Well that's where you're wrong bucko. Until the states in limbo have gone through the processes and actually appear to be sending electors for Biden it's premature to say things are over. Arguably one of Trump's most likely path to victory is through the state's not sending electors at all. So it's hard to say he won enough of anything in the Electoral College when even the presence of some electors is in doubt.

In 2016 the media called Trump president-elect long before any state certified their voting totals or appointed electors. In 2008 the media called Obama president-elect long before any state certified their voting totals or appointed electors. In 2000 the media called Bush president-elect as soon as the Supreme Court froze Florida's endless recount and before the electoral college voted. In 1992 the media called Clinton president-elect long before any state certified their voting totals or appointed electors. so on and so on. Biden has won the election, get over it.

 

[Paranoia Machine]

My words fail me.
This reality is being written by somebody who loves irony a bit too much, it has to be.

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1330906046223757312

Too bad for carrots...

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

In 2016 the media called Trump president-elect long before any state certified their voting totals or appointed electors.

the media called Bush president-elect as soon as the Supreme Court froze Florida's endless recount and before the electoral college voted.

There is no president-elect until either the EC casts their votes
or a candidate has no remaining competitors
(regardless of the strength of those remaining competitors).

Hey look, Biden has a remaining competitor!

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

In 2016 the media called Trump president-elect long before any state certified their voting totals or appointed electors. In 2008 the media called Obama president-elect long before any state certified their voting totals or appointed electors. In 2000 the media called Bush president-elect as soon as the Supreme Court froze Florida's endless recount and before the electoral college voted. In 1992 the media called Clinton president-elect long before any state certified their voting totals or appointed electors. so on and so on. Biden has won the election, get over it.

How many of those states in 2016 were in litigation and recount limbo through December? To my recollection it was only WI with Jill Stein. Nice of you to point out an argument in support of me though, the media held off in 2000 until Florida was finished litigating because it was the deciding state. Everything is premature until Trump concedes or his lawsuits resolve, one way or another. I'm sorry this is all going on too long for you to handle but it's okay. Detach yourself from the results and watch the show. You don't need to be huffing Biden's diapers soo hard just because people point out that the contests are ongoing.

My words fail me.
This reality is being written by somebody who loves irony a bit too much, it has to be.

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1330906046223757312

Too bad for carrots...

Sane People: This is funny and a bit on the nose.
Bidenbros: OMG HE"S BEEN PLANNING HOW TO STEAL THE ELECTION SINCE CARROTS LOST, THIS IS WHEN HE GOT THE IDEA! WHAT AN IDIOT!!!!111!!11