Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

[Techpriest]

So we reaching the climax of this Black Pill
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Not quite yet. They’ve been going on and on about how the SCOTUS will save them.

 

[Taco]

I doubt it. It happened in multiple states. And it probably would have been reported if that had happened. I'm thinking that's why so many people are very suspicious of it.

I honestly wouldn't put it past Dems to dump lots of fraudulent ballots, some deep blue cities are pretty famous for election shenanigans. But I've looked at the county by county results and the numbers don't really support that theory.

My biggest sticking point is I 1000% put it beyond the Democrats or Republicans capability to commit large scale voter fraud across multiple districts and states and not immediately get caught. I mean do you have any earthly idea how many people would need to be involved in an operation like that and you'd have to keep them all silent while the entire US is staring at you under a microscope. The logistics involved are incomprehensible. Voting records are public in the US so you would also be relying on no one noticing that hundreds of thousands of people listed as voting didn't actually vote. Then the entire time one slip up could collapse the entire house of cards...

I suspect the people seriously supporting these theories have never worked on a project bigger than school group projects in their life.

 

[Techpriest]

My biggest sticking point is I 1000% put it beyond the Democrats or Republicans capability to commit large scale voter fraud across multiple districts and states and not immediately get caught. I mean do you have any earthly idea how many people would need to be involved in an operation like that and you'd have to keep them all silent while the entire US is staring at you under a microscope. The logistics involved are incomprehensible. Voting records are public in the US so you would also be relying on no one noticing that hundreds of thousands of people listed as voting didn't actually vote. Then the entire time one slip up could collapse the entire house of cards...

I suspect the people seriously supporting these theories have never worked on a project bigger than school group projects in their life.

Exactly. They’re essentially trying to claim that not only did this happen in one state but in every state. Independently, which is why nobody would notice. It’s fucking retarded.

 

[Taco]

Exactly. They’re essentially trying to claim that not only did this happen in one state but in every state. Independently, which is why nobody would notice. It’s fucking retarded.

I honestly think some of them know it's bull shit at this point and have just decided for various reasons that the useful idiots believing the vote was stolen benefits their agenda.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Exactly. They’re essentially trying to claim that not only did this happen in one state but in every state. Independently, which is why nobody would notice. It’s fucking retarded.

It can actually be done, but I don't think it was in this case (there was undoubtedly some fraud but the margins were too big). You don't have to have central command, you just want to motivate unscrupulous actors to act on your behalf and then give them the wink and the nod. And it's important to run interference when anyone is caught in something potentially illegal or unethical. That way future participants know their back is covered.

Obama's admin did this all the time, putting in shady characters like Brennan. And the admin ties to power structures like the press will cover for them.

 

[BlackDragoons]

Not quite yet. They’ve been going on and on about how the SCOTUS will save them.

Its never going to reach SCOTUS. Never seen a deluded pipedream like this.

 

[thejackal]

My biggest sticking point is I 1000% put it beyond the Democrats or Republicans capability to commit large scale voter fraud across multiple districts and states and not immediately get caught. I mean do you have any earthly idea how many people would need to be involved in an operation like that and you'd have to keep them all silent while the entire US is staring at you under a microscope. The logistics involved are incomprehensible. Voting records are public in the US so you would also be relying on no one noticing that hundreds of thousands of people listed as voting didn't actually vote. Then the entire time one slip up could collapse the entire house of cards...

I suspect the people seriously supporting these theories have never worked on a project bigger than school group projects in their life.

I used to work in voting, was a database admin. What you just posted is spot on. Like the voter roles themselves are kinda sloppy, like most databases that contain millions of records you're going to have some duplicates and errors but to actually pull off voter fraud on a massive scale you'd need a lot of people in on it. Most elections are handled at the county level, which provides a pretty good firewall against any sort of massive fraud itself.

 

[All becomes gunt]

It's kind of a crosspost at this point but can anyone explain how an election case reaches SCOTUS other than "it's hard" ? I am lacking so much technical knowledge on election law it's not even funny.

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

FWIW, this is a stance I can approve of. Allowing the mechanisms to play out should, in my opinion, be respected.

FYI Michigan just certified the election results, 3-1. Bring on the audits!

I agree but the butthurt Trumpers are demanding one

 

[B’Elanna]

FWIW, this is a stance I can approve of. Allowing the mechanisms to play out should, in my opinion, be respected.

As a resident I can safely say that no one I know has opposed a recount or audit. State law says neither can happen until certification, all the certification drama is unnecessary and fucking stupid.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I would feel some sympathy if they weren't so smug and arrogant for the last 4 years.

Makes zero sense because now the reigns get handed back to people who have been acting as smug and arrogant assholes for the last 60 years and who have started or enabled the following:

Environmentalism Retardation
Social media Activists
Global Warming grift
Globalism
Every single new Age trend scam
Transgenderism
NOMAPS
Identity Politics
Modern Day Atheism
Antifa
Hippies
The Clintons
Diversity Bullshit
Hipsters
9 Dollar Coffee

I mean you're supposed to pick the lesser of two evils, but you somehow fucked that up.

 

[BlackDragoons]

Makes zero sense because now the reigns get handed back to people who have been acting as smug and arrogant assholes for the last 60 years and who have started or enabled the following:

Environmentalism Retardation
Social media Activists
Global Warming grift
Globalism
Every single new Age trend scam
Transgenderism
NOMAPS
Identity Politics
Modern Day Atheism
Antifa
Hippies
The Clintons
Diversity Bullshit
Hipsters
9 Dollar Coffee

I mean you're supposed to pick the lesser of two evils, but you somehow fucked that up.

That implies that shit went away during Trumps "Glorious" four years of office.

Actually shit got worse with that.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Actually shit got worse with that.

And now it's going to get even worse because now they're back in power and will double down because they've been slighted, instead of spending another 4 years maybe possibly coming tot he conclusion that they were the retards all along.

 

[Ineedahero]

They weren't refusing poll watchers, either.

Even politifact admits it happened. They call it half true, which means it's a natural law of the universe based on their track record.

there's no need to stop counting when adding fraudulent ballots).

That is not dispositive, and it assumes competence where none has been demonstrated. The democrats didn't need to coordinate to steal the election, it was merely #resistance - a thousand disparate TDS sufferers each putting their fingers on the scale - accidentally refusing a poll watcher here, accidentally trashing a bunch of votes for no reason there. A death by a thousand cuts, a cavalcade of coincidence that makes a lack of fraud mathematically impossible. The kind of thing that should be terrifying to the party who claims to fight for the working class and disenfranchised.

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

As a resident I can safely say that no one I know has opposed a recount or audit. State law says neither can happen until certification, all the certification drama is unnecessary and fucking stupid.

While my comment quoted you is was less directed less at you and more at people like HHH.

and yeah, if audits require certification then let's get that cert.

 

[Techpriest]

It's kind of a crosspost at this point but can anyone explain how an election case reaches SCOTUS other than "it's hard" ? I am lacking so much technical knowledge on election law it's not even funny.

It’s hard because there’s a lot of stuff that can happen before you even get there. Your case can be dismissed with prejudice for example, or returned to a lower court. But basically it has to go through all levels of the federal judiciary first. This isn’t easy and takes time. You do need to have merit for your appeals to work. So you make it through the gauntlet of appeals, circuit courts, etc, you’re now at the Supreme Court. Congrats. Much of the time after a cursory examination, the justices will simply say “Yeah the lower court was correct” and it ends there. Other times, they’ll take the case and send it back to a lower court with specific instructions about the case. Finally, if enough justices agree a case has merit enough to be heard by them, they put the case to a vote among the justices. If less than 5 want to hear it, they don’t hear it and the two situations above happen. If they do agree to hear it, they might only hear part of the case, rather than the whole case. A lot of it depends on what the issue actually is and how the lower courts handled it.

Trump’s various lawsuits have a very low chance of getting a full hearing mostly because while they try to lean on constitutional stuff, they offer pretty much no evidence as to why the Supreme Court needs to intervene. The court does not like having its time wasted. It’s pretty busy and it’s usually able to rule with a 2/3rds majority or more on most cases. Unanimous decisions are also not that rare.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

It’s hard because there’s a lot of stuff that can happen before you even get there. Your case can be dismissed with prejudice for example, or returned to a lower court. But basically it has to go through all levels of the federal judiciary first. This isn’t easy and takes time. You do need to have merit for your appeals to work. So you make it through the gauntlet of appeals, circuit courts, etc, you’re now at the Supreme Court. Congrats. Much of the time after a cursory examination, the justices will simply say “Yeah the lower court was correct” and it ends there. Other times, they’ll take the case and send it back to a lower court with specific instructions about the case. Finally, if enough justices agree a case has merit enough to be heard by them, they put the case to a vote among the justices. If less than 5 want to hear it, they don’t hear it and the two situations above happen. If they do agree to hear it, they might only hear part of the case, rather than the whole case. A lot of it depends on what the issue actually is and how the lower courts handled it.

Trump’s various lawsuits have a very low chance of getting a full hearing mostly because while they try to lean on constitutional stuff, they offer pretty much no evidence as to why the Supreme Court needs to intervene. The court does not like having its time wasted. It’s pretty busy and it’s usually able to rule with a 2/3rds majority or more on most cases. Unanimous decisions are also not that rare.

The interesting thing I learned about the court process is that despite what people with internet law degrees shout, you can appeal a case that is dismissed with prejudice. You just can't refile an amended complaint with the court.

 

[King's Gambit Accepted]

It's kind of a crosspost at this point but can anyone explain how an election case reaches SCOTUS other than "it's hard" ? I am lacking so much technical knowledge on election law it's not even funny.

SCOTUS gets to pick the cases it hears. At least four justices must agree to hear the case. A couple Trump suits have been appealed to the court. If they were interested in hearing these cases they would have heard them by now. I suspect they would only hear a case if Trump got some massive victory and succeeded in having tons of ballots thrown out at a lower court. They could then hear the case and either affirm it or overturn it.

But it’s not going to the court.

 

[Techpriest]

The interesting thing I learned about the court process is that despite what people with internet law degrees shout, you can appeal a case that is dismissed with prejudice. You just can't refile an amended complaint with the court.

Ahhhh. Ok that’s what I was getting confused about. What I thought was you had to appeal the dismissal itself as with prejudice before the case could resume its normal appeal. I also heard though they were suing to be able to amend or appealing in order to do so.

 

[Personal Jesus]

Man, if Trump manages to win presidency throug SCOTUS, then the George Floyd/BLM protests will actually look like peaceful compared to the protests this decision will generate.