Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

Who wins on November 3rd? (Zeitgeist, not who you're voting for)

  • Expecting a Trump win.

    Votes: 978 45.7%
  • Expecting a Biden win.

    Votes: 277 12.9%
  • Expecting no clear winner on November 3rd.

    Votes: 885 41.4%

  • Total voters
    2,140
  • Poll closed .
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Right, I'd say every state depends on youth turnout. They rarely ever show up or vote in any significant numbers but perhaps this time it will be different Probably not though.

Dems benefit from youth turnout in almost every tossup state, but I don't think they depend on it like they do here. In Florida, for example, Trump's banking on the cuban/venezuelan/brazilian/argentinian expat turnout being greater than the mexican/central american/puerto rican turnout, and he desperately needs the elderly vote not to turn on him. In a place like Nevada or Texas, say, dems probably hang more on the rural areas not turning up to vote than they do on larger turnout from its small urban areas.

Here, there's really no chance that the rural areas -don't- show up to vote. The cities are also generally more mixed -- Philly has shitloads more people than Pitt and is a part of the east coast metro boat, whereas Pitt draws in plenty of people from across the midwest who tend to be more moderated. Philly will absolutely bend hard for Biden, but the greater Pittsburgh area is going to be more purple unless the sorts of young people who've made the local DSA/SRA chapters annoyingly vocal manage to conjure up big numbers to carry this side of the state. Allentown and Erie flipped from steadfast Obama holdovers to deep Trump areas to such a point that the latter was featured in a little Spiked documentary comparing the Brexit surge with Trump's election.

tl;dr: all of our olds and above-30s are probably in play, and that balance favors Trump fairly heavily. The only thing that'd flip the state on the whole is either extreme hemorrhaging of suburban women or an extreme turnout among the youth vote. I will, however, say that both of those events are perfectly likely and plausible.
 
Does anyone think people will die in the riots? Or will the rioters just steal and burn like last time?
Depends a lot on where they decide to riot. If it's the usual places, they'll get the usual tear gas, pepperballs, and impact rounds.

If they decide to riot somewhere in the sticks with bad reception and bad LE coverage, they're gonna get shot at with live rounds.

That actually happened to Frank Nitty's jog to DC march when they started stirring shit in rural PA. Nobody was killed or injured but they skedaddled real quick when bullets started landing and they couldn't figure out where from.

Edit: Or if they actually no shit storm the whitehouse. If they do that the Secret Service will let the world know just how little they give a shit about casualties.
 
Welp, nothing much to do until this evening, post your Trump folders if you got 'em

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Texan here. Californians are literally colonizing the American Southwest. It sucks. They even bring the horrific Califnornian suburban sprawl and highway wastelands here.

Not sure where I read it, but recall that new Texas residents skew more conservatively than the native residents (exception in inner cities). The real problem is the educational system, which is producing a bluer and bluer new voter demographic.


Also:
According to a 2019 UC Berkeley Institute of Government Studies poll, more than half of Californians have considered moving. The biggest predictor for whether a Golden State resident wants to stay or go? Political affiliation. The poll found that Republicans were nearly twice as likely to be considering leaving California — 71% of Republicans compared to 38% of Democrats. Political affiliation was a better predictor of respondents’ answers than any other type of demographic, including race, gender and age.



Gut feeling, PA is a throw up, given the current issues going on there. Still way too early to decide if it's going one way or another.

The Dems are banking on 1.) Voting day 'disruptions 'pushing down voting day numbers (which skews Republican), and 2.) A strong Dem showing in mail-in-voting.

 
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Dems benefit from youth turnout in almost every tossup state, but I don't think they depend on it like they do here. In Florida, for example, Trump's banking on the cuban/venezuelan/brazilian/argentinian expat turnout being greater than the mexican/central american/puerto rican turnout, and he desperately needs the elderly vote not to turn on him. In a place like Nevada or Texas, say, dems probably hang more on the rural areas not turning up to vote than they do on larger turnout from its small urban areas.

Here, there's really no chance that the rural areas -don't- show up to vote. The cities are also generally more mixed -- Philly has shitloads more people than Pitt and is a part of the east coast metro boat, whereas Pitt draws in plenty of people from across the midwest who tend to be more moderated. Philly will absolutely bend hard for Biden, but the greater Pittsburgh area is going to be more purple unless the sorts of young people who've made the local DSA/SRA chapters annoyingly vocal manage to conjure up big numbers to carry this side of the state. Allentown and Erie flipped from steadfast Obama holdovers to deep Trump areas to such a point that the latter was featured in a little Spiked documentary comparing the Brexit surge with Trump's election.

tl;dr: all of our olds and above-30s are probably in play, and that balance favors Trump fairly heavily. The only thing that'd flip the state on the whole is either extreme hemorrhaging of suburban women or an extreme turnout among the youth vote. I will, however, say that both of those events are perfectly likely and plausible.
The youth vote has never showed up in the force that the democrats have wanted. Not once. I do not expect this pattern to change.
 
Mitt Romney lost Massachusetts and he was governor of that state for a few years.
Yeah, but Mitt's campaign was the most pathetic thing ever.

Instead of melting down on Fox News, Karl Rove should have gone full Bud Dwyer on air. He failed utterly.

There's a chance of this place being shut down regardless - look up the section 230 stuff.
It's my understanding Null doesn't really care for either of them, because of their positions on CDA 230. I think that might be the real reason for our "friend" in the upper right hand corner.
 
The youth vote has never showed up in the force that the democrats have wanted. Not once. I do not expect this pattern to change.
Every election I've paid attention to, it's been people saying the youth vote and the black vote will be the deciding factor, and even year over year their projected numbers are lower than they guessed, even lowballing it.
 
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