Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

Who wins on November 3rd? (Zeitgeist, not who you're voting for)

  • Expecting a Trump win.

    Votes: 978 45.7%
  • Expecting a Biden win.

    Votes: 277 12.9%
  • Expecting no clear winner on November 3rd.

    Votes: 885 41.4%

  • Total voters
    2,140
  • Poll closed .
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I think the Democrats are aware of this at the top and their plan is not to reform the party or its message, it's to seal the deal on the minority vote as America makes the demographic "minority majority" shift and ideally they can bring in Puerto Rico later on. I think the current strategy is to increasingly make it more likely they will be in power over time since overwhelmingly non-whites vote Dem and always have.

Maybe they're crazy to think that can't change, I don't know, but it really seems like they have no intention of reeling anything back in. They will always win the popular vote, they will almost always have a comfortable number of seats in the House, and with Puerto Rico they'd run the Senate seemingly forever.
A major problem is that the Dems keep trying to make things about race that don't need to be a race. Like the whole defund the police shit. I think if they said "Yes, the police system in America is currently broken and needs to be fixed to so they cannot abuse their powers and hurt your rights as Americans" it would go over a hell of a lot better then just "Ooga Booga, white man using police to kill blacks. no more money for them"
 
I'm a little confused on what people expect the Supreme Court to do honestly. Trump can't just say "He cheated, make me president". He has to present actual proof that fraud is happening. And the SC already said for one state that they have count every ballot that was gotten before or on election day.

Ain't gonna be enough to flip it, but high chance of the PA suit being successful.

As for fraud, if they can somehow prove which ballots are fraudulent the court could invalidate them (unlikely, and proving fraud in this short time frame is virtually impossible. But the lawsuit would give Trump's team discovery access). But ultimately getting the judiciary to agree that there is fraud would be a big reason for Congress to contest the results of that state and potentially throw out the electoral votes from the state after the EC votes.

It has never happened and it won't happen this time, but there's a whole process for this (oh, and Pence presides over it, fun stuff), so that's likely what they'd be aiming for.
 

Ain't gonna be enough to flip it, but high chance of the PA suit being successful.

As for fraud, if they can somehow prove which ballots are fraudulent the court could invalidate them (unlikely, and proving fraud in this short time frame is virtually impossible. But the lawsuit would give Trump's team discovery access). But ultimately getting the judiciary to agree that there is fraud would be a big reason for Congress to contest the results of that state and potentially throw out the electoral votes from the state after the EC votes.

It has never happened and it won't happen this time, but there's a whole process for this (oh, and Pence presides over it, fun stuff), so that's likely what they'd be aiming for.
Even if they get PA thrown out, they don't have enough electoral votes to win. So it'll be all bluster and tax payer money spent for nothing but a waste of time to save an old man's fragile ego.
 
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Why do people keep falling back on PV? There known shysters, they been caught multiple times spreading lies and bribing peeps.
 
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The Dems need a major overhaul of how they market to voters. If you're really the party of the working class, you need to appeal to them.
The U.S. lacks a workers party. Every corporation in the universe, no matter how huge or nefarious, is currently happy to advertise its concern for black non-binary LGBT etc. people, and to pay lip service to BLM. They're glad to pander to anything so long as it doesn't really focus on class.
 
I think the Democrats are aware of this at the top and their plan is not to reform the party or its message, it's to seal the deal on the minority vote as America makes the demographic "minority majority" shift and ideally they can bring in Puerto Rico later on. I think the current strategy is to increasingly make it more likely they will be in power over time since overwhelmingly non-whites vote Dem and always have.

Maybe they're crazy to think that can't change, I don't know, but it really seems like they have no intention of reeling anything back in. They will always win the popular vote, they will almost always have a comfortable number of seats in the House, and with Puerto Rico they'd run the Senate seemingly forever.
They are also failing to realize a lot of hispanics and black guys are deserting to the GOP and will continue to do so if nothing changes under Biden/Harris, which it probably wont.

The GOP is in a great position for 2024. They can point the finger and continue to blame the media for the problems in America. Counterpoint, if I ran the GOP I would start an all out assault on getting black and hispanic voters on board and into the party. The more the media looks like idiots, the more you can convince people they are manipulating you to vote for the Dems.
 
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Nothing sounds mad than a Democrap talking to himself. He truly lives inside his sad bubble. I'll one-shot him with a baseball bat if I ever meet this clown in real life. And it's very sad his orangutan of a wife isn't there to save his dumbass self.

They claim they are the loving friendly party but then you realize they are nothing but cowards and bullies. They don't care about race until it's about their party. Hope Trump Daddy sues Biden for trying to steal the election. The salt will be rising. Bush vs Gore 2.0
 

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A major problem is that the Dems keep trying to make things about race that don't need to be a race. Like the whole defund the police shit. I think if they said "Yes, the police system in America is currently broken and needs to be fixed to so they cannot abuse their powers and hurt your rights as Americans" it would go over a hell of a lot better then just "Ooga Booga, white man using police to kill blacks. no more money for them"
We had that, a single day when both Democrats and Republicans were completely aligned on police reform. The day the George Floyd story broke there was a ton of agreement that there needs to be police reform. Even by Trump.

It lasted a day before the BLM/Defund the police shit derailed it and the Media backed them because "Can't let any dems and Trump/repubs actually agree on anything sensible".

Immediately got polarized because the left media went full tilt into hating cops, which is a stance they knew republicans would never support..
 
They don't need the white working class anymore. And it's not like voting GOP will change anything. Conservatives are always whatever the Progressives were like 20 years ago. So in 2040 the GOP will be talking about white privilege and BLM. We need a third option that can bring disaffected Republicans, disaffected Democrats, and the undecided together. But the system won't allow such a movement to make any change. Change will have to come from guys preparing to create a new system like the National Justice Party rather than from rigged, crumbling institutions like the GOP, Dems, and the current political system.

Agree with you fully. What do we call the party?
 
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Ain't gonna be enough to flip it, but high chance of the PA suit being successful.

As for fraud, if they can somehow prove which ballots are fraudulent the court could invalidate them (unlikely, and proving fraud in this short time frame is virtually impossible. But the lawsuit would give Trump's team discovery access). But ultimately getting the judiciary to agree that there is fraud would be a big reason for Congress to contest the results of that state and potentially throw out the electoral votes from the state after the EC votes.

It has never happened and it won't happen this time, but there's a whole process for this (oh, and Pence presides over it, fun stuff), so that's likely what they'd be aiming for.

Actually If they toss everything delivered after the third it probably would flip it to Trump. With the added fun that while a Court is unlikely to order a state to do it over. There have been cases where a voting precinct has been so corrupted or bungled that it is stricken from the election. Philly might just be that stupid. They refused a Court Order to let the Legally Mandated Observers in. Repeatedly. Do I think this will happen? No. The Roberts Court is a pack of weak willed weasels who will avoid any conflict with the political branches of the government at all costs, lest people say nasty things about them on Twitter. But it is probably the best avenue of attack for PA. And PA is the easiest case to make right now. Followed rather quickly by Michigan. I mean really? The software automatically shifts 6000 Trump votes over to Biden Votes in each county? "Oops we've found a technical glitch!" Uh huh, sure you did. Georgia is going to be a harder one to show a legit cause. Although rumor is they found boxes of uncounted Trump ballots hidden away and being destroyed, and the FBI is now involved. So like I said nothing will be done.
 
As for fraud, if they can somehow prove which ballots are fraudulent the court could invalidate them (unlikely, and proving fraud in this short time frame is virtually impossible.
That's why it's retarded to make that your legal claim and set that kind of a bar for yourself. All that has to be proven is that ballots are invalid, not fraudulent. And the idea of "voter fraud" is a mirage anyway. That's so rare as to be nearly nonexistent. Where the fraud would happen is in the counting.
 
Tariq Nasheed, who usually spouts a lot of hard left lunacy, thinks the votes are suspicious. Strange but interesting turn of events. The guy hates Trump.
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Personally, I couldn't vote for Biden because he has indicated he seemed willing to screw over the country to pad his wallet when he was VP. The corruption e-mails are what truly made him repugnant in my eyes. I guess we'll see what he and Kamala actually do, though.
He wants a black nationalist state lol. Honestly he's kinda based in a different way than us. He understands the lunacy of it all but in a different way so for that I always follow what he says.
 
We had that, a single day when both Democrats and Republicans were completely aligned on police reform. The day the George Floyd story broke there was a ton of agreement that there needs to be police reform. Even by Trump.

It lasted a day before the BLM/Defund the police shit derailed it and the Media backed them because "Can't let any dems and Trump/repubs actually agree on anything sensible".

Immediately got polarized because the left media went full tilt into hating cops, which is a stance they knew republicans would never support..

Well and then the coroners report and the actual bodycam footage that had been hidden from the public came out and you realized that what happened there in no way resembled the narativ ethat the media are as always trying to spin. And the Right walked away in disgust once again.
 
Shouldn't there be a official announcement declaring the winner by now?

There hasn’t been a winner. All that’s been counted is popular voted and media predictions based on those. Said predictions are a very good indicator of who will win, so if the media across the board is saying its looking like Biden is getting away with 300 electorals or what the fuck ever, he’ll almost certainly be getting the win.

This is because America is not a direct democracy, it’s a republic, which means the popular vote is the people telling their representatives how they want them to vote, so come December when the official electoral votes are cast, unless an elector wants to lose their job and stain their career forever, they’ll vote according to the popular vote, but it’s not a guarantee.

Trump could end up with every single electoral vote and win 538 - 0. He won’t, but it’s a possibility allowed by the system.

So functionally it’s over and Biden is the winner, but it’s not official yet.
 
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