Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

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Who wins on November 3rd? (Zeitgeist, not who you're voting for)

  • Expecting a Trump win.

    Votes: 978 45.7%
  • Expecting a Biden win.

    Votes: 277 12.9%
  • Expecting no clear winner on November 3rd.

    Votes: 885 41.4%

  • Total voters
    2,140
  • Poll closed .
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in Ancient Athens were it was invented, it was used to govern the matters of the city-state along with some punitive actions such as ostracism. Even so in order to vote you had to be male with parents both father and mother Athenian and to own property. That showed that you had a vested interest towards the benefit of the city itself. I don't know how with a straight face you can support this sham that gives you the illusion of a choice you don't really have, and why you would allow second class citizens to vote.
If ancient athenians were so smart, why are they all dead? :story:
 
If ancient athenians were so smart, why are they all dead? :story:
Well passage of time is a thing, rise and fall of civilizations, all that jazz. They had good teachings both as examples to follow and examples to avoid, as do most civilizations.
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''if X is so smart then why are they all dead?'' is a joke so ancient it might be older than the athenians.
I still wanna reply to it though just for posterity.
 
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The great question we need to ask ourselves is where our elites come from?

Did the people of high status in our society gain this status by their personal merit? Or is it more hereditary?
Or maybe it's undeserved at all?

The major democracy flaw is that it is based at least on popularity contest, on smoke and mirrors, on creating a convincing persona. There is no way that democratic process can provide us with a leader that we really need for the tough times that are coming.

However, in America the democratic process is even more a sham, because lots of high status positions are not gained via elections, due to cancerous growth of administrative state. True, it might be that some elected positions are a ticket to the more lardy administrative chairs, but I don't think they count that much in the grand scheme of things. They are just a stepping stone.
 
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I declare a race war

Sound like somebody's got a case of liberal kool aid. Democracy itself is a faulty system to govern any population that's over 10000 tops, and even then it shouldn't be used for any kind of executive decisions on how to run a country. The even funnier part is that it's implemented in the wrong manner. As a system in Ancient Athens were it was invented, it was used to govern the matters of the city-state along with some punitive actions such as ostracism. Even so in order to vote you had to be male with parents both father and mother Athenian and to own property. That showed that you had a vested interest towards the benefit of the city itself. I don't know how with a straight face you can support this sham that gives you the illusion of a choice you don't really have, and why you would allow second class citizens to vote.
"No coloreds, women or poor people should attempt to have a marginal impact in their own destiny. Only superior men should vote."

Thank you, Moviebob.
 
The great question we need to ask ourselves is where our elites come from?

Did the people of high status in our society gain this status by their personal merit? Or is it more hereditary?
Or maybe it's undeserved at all?

The major democracy flaw is that it is based at least on popularity contest, on smoke and mirrors, on creating a convincing persona. There is no way that democratic process can provide us with a leader that we really need for the tough times that are coming.

However, in America the democratic process is even more a sham, because lots of high status positions are not gained via elections, due to cancerous growth of administrative state. True, it might be that some elected positions are a ticket to the more lardy administrative chairs, but I don't think they count that much in the grand scheme of things. They are just a stepping stone.
Where do our elites come from? Israel, duh! Easy test. Next question.
 
due to cancerous growth of administrative state

Mhm, would disagree. Look at the vast number of 'elites' and the only common link is money. Can buy the good contracts, can appeal to other rich wankers, can set kids who haven't earned it, up for life. Whether they even bother to get involved in state work and so on, they can glide on through without giving a damn. But god forbid we mention their wealth, them be some good ol' boy capitalists!
 
Mhm, would disagree. Look at the vast number of 'elites' and the only common link is money. Can buy the good contracts, can appeal to other rich wankers, can set kids who haven't earned it, up for life. Whether they even bother to get involved in state work and so on, they can glide on through without giving a damn. But god forbid we mention their wealth, them be some good ol' boy capitalists!

Another thing a vast amount of elites share as well.

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Mhm, would disagree. Look at the vast number of 'elites' and the only common link is money. Can buy the good contracts, can appeal to other rich wankers, can set kids who haven't earned it, up for life. Whether they even bother to get involved in state work and so on, they can glide on through without giving a damn. But god forbid we mention their wealth, them be some good ol' boy capitalists!
The system is socialism for the kikes up top with constant bailouts, and crony capitalism for the rest, it takes the worst out of both systems. Its a terrible system. The more the government interferes with a market the more that market is going to get destroyed. Quite frankly other than a couple of basic regulations the government shouldnt interfere. Free market with sound money was the system that all civilizations had during their golden age. The rise and decline of civilizations is directly correlated to and can be traced by the status of their currency.
 
Gonna take a while shot in the dark and say their version of the truth is “any information that gets Trump out of office”

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Another thing a vast amount of elites share as well.

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Now that gave me a good laugh, cheers.

The system is socialism for the kikes up top with constant bailouts, and crony capitalism for the rest, it takes the worst out of both systems. Its a terrible system. The more the government interferes with a market the more that market is going to get destroyed. Quite frankly other than a couple of basic regulations the government shouldnt interfere. Free market with sound money was the system that all civilizations had during their golden age. The rise and decline of civilizations is directly correlated to and can be traced by the status of their currency.

Assuming you're not just trolling for funnies, I'd say you're taking an aspect of time and simply assuming that every scene or period is thus circular. Whereas, historically conditions are projected and have constantly increased with each new period, each new civilization that's popped up after, talking about Europe here, not so much Asia, because good god have they fucked it. Have a good foundation, and you won't constantly be fighting back a shadow of past.

Free markets will always lead to the oligarchs running the show, blaming the solution will only hyping the problem. Take government out, who stops Google, Twitter or any other big companies, buying out all the smaller ones, streamlining any and all news that it'll land on the cows' screen. Goes with any and every industry, only takes one to reach the tipping point, where they can take the reigns and assume control over a sector. Only thing stopping, good ol' government. Bet that makes ya feel all warm and bubbly inside, eh?
 
The system is socialism for the kikes up top with constant bailouts, and crony capitalism for the rest, it takes the worst out of both systems. Its a terrible system. The more the government interferes with a market the more that market is going to get destroyed. Quite frankly other than a couple of basic regulations the government shouldnt interfere. Free market with sound money was the system that all civilizations had during their golden age. The rise and decline of civilizations is directly correlated to and can be traced by the status of their currency.
I prefer capitalism over socialism a thousand times over. But with respects to unregulated capitalism cannot avoid feeling like there is some wisdom in this Bertrand Russell quote:

"Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate".
 
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