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It's the "girls/boys with a time machine" ones for me. It's just another way for men to post about how Women are dumb, vapid, have no internal thought processes, while the boys totally care about events in history, bro.
I mean if I had a Time Machine hell yeah I’m going back to to talk to my grandma, are you kidding? There are so many things I’d like to ask her. Why is that considered stupid but going to watch a bunch of moids kill each other (you can still do that in the 21st century) is “based”?
 
This supposes a grandiose conspiracy, when it seems much more plausible to me that someone noticed that misogyny sells. Produce misogynistic content, win in the algorithms, get rich quick, simple as. The algorithm is what makes it seem like a giant conspiracy and is what is pushing it to be more and more extreme :lit::lit: wow that's sinister af. We've already been taken over by the robot overlords it seems

It's also people thinking that the internet is real life. I don't think many of the people in these videos have ever actually had a healthy relationship with a woman that hasn't involved the internet somehow. The only personalities that have the most successful relationships seem to be the ones who keep their public/work life entirely or mostly departed from their actual life.

Another issue is that it seems to have gone from breadwinner and homemaker to dominant and submissive. I am not trying to shit up the thread with that statement. Traditionally here at least it was more equal in responsibility -- traditionally women would be in charge of the home, finances, and try to (even if not perfect) actually have a relationship of equals/partnership; now everything seems to be geared towards creating the need for competition -- even within your own family. Kinda gross tbh.
 
It’s because modern liberalism is a social progress party that’s controlled by wealthy capitalists. So the party focuses on identity politics in order to avoid discussion of class struggle.
This is exactly how I feel about modern liberalism and the so-called "left" in the US. There is no left in the US, because there is no class solidarity. Also, the article Inauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk Science has an excellent passage that hits home for me on this.
I mean, all this money attention doesn’t make sense if transgender people are the most oppressed minority in all America. Look at the North Carolina ‘bathroom bill’, H.B 2. It was international news. How many other state bills become international news? We watched on TV as celebrities said they would no longer come to the state and sports teams protested. Bruce Springsteen said he wouldn’t play there. Every boycott by some famous liberal was greeted with aplomb. There was a national shaming of the state, on the massive stage that is the mainstream news cycle. Left unmentioned by that same mainstream news were the changes to North Carolina employment laws also in the same bill that negatively impacted working-class Americans, or the fact some of the outcry was defining sex under North Carolina law as “the physical condition of being male or female, which is stated on a person’s birth certificate”. Bruce Springsteen didn’t refuse to play in the state based on employment law changes. When the ‘bathroom bill’ sections were removed in 2017, the employment sections did not change. There was a collective shaking of heads, a throwing up of hands, a celebration of transgenderism’s victory and the bill disappeared from the national conversation. Class analysis dies in the face of identity politics.
Bolded emphasis mine, by the way. Fantastic and well researched article. The bathroom bill, along with that article were among the things that peaked me.

And yes, porn plays a significant part in men trooning, and a smaller part in Women trooning.
 
It's also people thinking that the internet is real life. I don't think many of the people in these videos have ever actually had a healthy relationship with a woman that hasn't involved the internet somehow. The only personalities that have the most successful relationships seem to be the ones who keep their public/work life entirely or mostly departed from their actual life.
Well I'd like to agree, but I have had many discussions with 50+ year old men who have had relationships and still buy into it. They parrot the MRA bullshit and keep themselves nice and miserable with that.

Love that for us. :unholy:
Another issue is that it seems to have gone from breadwinner and homemaker to dominant and submissive. I am not trying to shit up the thread with that statement. Traditionally here at least it was more equal in responsibility -- traditionally women would be in charge of the home, finances, and try to (even if not perfect) actually have a relationship of equals/partnership; now everything seems to be geared towards creating the need for competition -- even within your own family. Kinda gross tbh.
I don't understand what you mean by geared toward creating competition, but I believe you're coming at this from a patriarchal viewpoint where men are the ones who make money and women need to hope and pray their pussy and clean and cook game is on point enough to earn her stay. IDK man I like the idea of a before time where women would have had to feed ourselves or die, men are not putting their asses out on the line for us come on LOL
 
I don't understand what you mean by geared toward creating competition, but I believe you're coming at this from a patriarchal viewpoint where men are the ones who make money and women need to hope and pray their pussy and clean and cook game is on point enough to earn her stay. IDK man I like the idea of a before time where women would have had to feed ourselves or die, men are not putting their asses out on the line for us come on LOL

I'm referencing the way it has been previously; I don't have any strong opinions on women working or men being stay at home dads. That's been normalized here since long before I was born.

By creating competition I mean men are being pushed to see even their own partners as the enemy. That every woman will cheat. That every woman will lie. That they can't trust anyone and that women are all evil. That couples need to flex on one another or hold it over each other, when instead they should just be enjoying the fruits of their combined efforts and seeking happiness together from it.

People are being taught to see their partner's success as some kind of thing to be feared rather than just supporting them. IDK, the people like Tait et al give weird takes.
 
This was a new one for me: a man consistently blaming women over the course of years for the eventual fall of Roe.
My favorite quote: “That’s made me reevaluate how valuable Seneca Falls was compared to Stonewall or the civil rights movement.”
AKA “women don’t vote how I, a MAN, want them to, and so clearly they shouldn’t vote at all!” (He’s oddly pressed about Seneca Falls in general, interesting fixation)
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A significant portion of women believe (or are at least willing to vote for), in 2022, that they don't deserve bodily autonomy, rapists should be able to choose who gives birth to their children, a woman's life matters less than a non viable fetus and if they can't safely carry a pregnancy to term they deserve to die. That's fucked up.


That's made me reevaluate how valuable Seneca Falls was compared to Stonewall or the civil rights movement.


After all, gender equality movements have been extremely sluggish compared to the LGBT movement.


You get the occasional Clarence Thomas or Candace Owens, but if you look at exit polls black people are far more likely to vote against racism than women are against sexism.


Seneca Falls was a chattering class initiative to change very little, ultimately.
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We need to stop assuming that if an issue negatively affects women, that women care about it or are remotely interested in fixing it.


Sick of crocodile tears about the fall of Roe V Wade. The state abortion restrictions that come into effect are largely ones that women voted for. A majority of white women voted for president Trump to stack the Supreme Court to allow this to happen.


Women have quite clearly decided that if your pregnancy goes wrong you deserve to die. I think the life of the birthing parent is valuable and worth saving, but a majority of women in many US states disagree with me. It's depressing and impossible to fight against.
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Seeing lots of memes about how this wouldn't have been an issue if it affected men, or that men took rights away from women.


Let's not forget Amy Coney Barrett, the 53% white women that voted for Trump in 2016, and all the women who voted in the conservative republican state legislatures that are taking the rights away. None of this would have happened if women got their own house in order.
“Let’s not forget whose fault this REALLY is: it’s the single conservative woman on the Supreme Court and the 25% of white women who voted for trump!!!! How can this have anything to do with men when we only hold a vast majority of the political power and not ALL of it!”
(they always say 50% of white women voted for Trump and it’s blatantly untrue, it was 50% of white women WHO VOTED that voted for Trump for a total of about 25%. It’s crazy how many different groups have exploited this incorrect statistic to all sorts of different ends)

Finally, unspoilered because it won’t let me upload more pictures:
“Women directly benefit from equal pay, free childcare, access to reproductive health services, and so on. Not to mention they benefit from a safe climate.

I'm not saying women should date climate scientists even if they aren't otherwise attracted, but they should reject fossil fuel enablers even if they are otherwise attracted.

Women can coalesce around the idea that cargo pants are ugly, and reject men who wear cargo pants even though that puts them at a competitive disadvantage with men who wear cargo pants. Why can't they decide that blocking access to abortion is ugly?”
 
After all, gender equality movements have been extremely sluggish compared to the LGBT movement.


You get the occasional Clarence Thomas or Candace Owens, but if you look at exit polls black people are far more likely to vote against racism than women are against sexism.
Yeah he’s actually kind of right here. As angry as I was about roe v wade we can’t pretend that women aren’t anti abortion and that women aren’t anti feminist. it’s a fact that women are turning away from feminism at higher rates and you can thousands of women unironically talking about taking away their own right. It’s disgusting but too many women are legitimately self hating and yes it’s the patriarchy’s fault but at the end of the day that’s where we’re at. It’s no secret that Feminism is a nullshit pozzed movement as of late filled with women unironically advocating for Prostitution, men’s rights, trannies etc. compared to blm and lgbt it’s way more reatrded. You’d never get blm saying white lives matter or lgbt saying straight pride, libfems are borderline meninists. And it is true that women have no real anger of fire towards misogyby like the blacks and the gays do towards their oppression and neither does societc. I already made my point about how sexism is the only form of bigotry that’s acceptable but a bit of that is because women have no real anger towards it. The instant trump said grab me by the pussy women should have rioted. buf they didn’t and 25 percent of white women voted for him. Women don’t have class solidarity like every other group and it’s one of the most evil things the patriarchy has accomplished in terms of decimating women’s rights. I’m not saying rvw is womens fault but it’s true that women have literally zero preservation skills and aren’t proactive enough in our fight
 
You know, as problematic as porn in general can be, it's really sad that crazy, disgusting porn that involves the abuse of women is so ubiquitous now that one doesn't even have to specify that they're talking about that type of porn.
Even John Waters, the guy whose made some of the most fucked up movies ever, called straight porn some of the most fucked up and degrading shit he's ever seen because of this.
 
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Yeah he’s actually kind of right here. As angry as I was about roe v wade we can’t pretend that women aren’t anti abortion and that women aren’t anti feminist. it’s a fact that women are turning away from feminism at higher rates and you can thousands of women unironically talking about taking away their own right. It’s disgusting but too many women are legitimately self hating and yes it’s the patriarchy’s fault but at the end of the day that’s where we’re at. It’s no secret that Feminism is a nullshit pozzed movement as of late filled with women unironically advocating for Prostitution, men’s rights, trannies etc. compared to blm and lgbt it’s way more reatrded. You’d never get blm saying white lives matter or lgbt saying straight pride, libfems are borderline meninists. And it is true that women have no real anger of fire towards misogyby like the blacks and the gays do towards their oppression and neither does societc. I already made my point about how sexism is the only form of bigotry that’s acceptable but a bit of that is because women have no real anger towards it. The instant trump said grab me by the pussy women should have rioted. buf they didn’t and 25 percent of white women voted for him. Women don’t have class solidarity like every other group and it’s one of the most evil things the patriarchy has accomplished in terms of decimating women’s rights. I’m not saying rvw is womens fault but it’s true that women have literally zero preservation skills and aren’t proactive enough in our fight
You’re 100% correct and it is an issue, but when it comes from a dude who is exclusively focusing on conservative women as the main roadblock towards a more pro-choice US, I just want him to choke and die.
The whole tone just reminds me of one particular video from a few years back of a pro-choice man attacking a pro-life woman in that some men easily justify violence against and/or subjugation of women when the woman in question doesn’t agree with him (such as the terf wars etc). I agree with him (mostly you) ideologically, but in practice, he can suck eggs. He doesn’t otherwise get to be a sexist piece of shit just because he’s pro-choice as a man.
If he, or lefty men like him, split their time even somewhat equally between talking about how men and how women both contribute to this particular issue, it’d be whatever, but when they only focus on the women, it’s sus as fuck to me.
Also, I’m trying to find the specific video I’m thinking of and I can’t, but I am finding other videos of pro-choice men assaulting pro-life women.
I so absolutely wish women did have more class solidarity, however. I feel like maybe I’ve been seeing more of it over the last few years IRL, but I’ve also been trying to be more optimistic in general and might just be looking for it more and ad such it could be confirmation bias, IDK
 
What caused an uptick in my man hate is not only the increase in troons in women's spaces but this attitude on the right of "well women made this bed." The hugbox that is Twitter has women championing troon rights, therefore all women want gross men in our bathrooms and wax salons. Women wanted to vote and work and drive and have bank accounts, so they deserve to be degraded and fetishized and have 6'3 men pilfering their tampons from the bathroom to make "euphoria-inducing" tea. Even the well-intentioned advice to carry a firearm shows that men truly do not understand this issue. The only way a firearm is helping you is if the troon physically assaults you in that bathroom, and you better hope there were witnesses to back you up or he got his hands around your throat before you shot him or something, because the court of the land and the court of public opinion would love to rake a natal woman over the coals for murdering a transwoman for using the bathroom.

If he eye-fucks you, takes upskirt photos, steals your tampon, or jacks off in one of the stalls, your gun will not avail you. Men cannot fathom being upset or uncomfortable if your life is not in imminent danger.

getting fucked up thinking about women in the Bible...how the women were the first to see Jesus' tomb empty and shit. Researching Marian Apparitions really got me fucked up too. How Eve ate the apple first, and how women have intuition and shit...damn.
People who say that women weren't important in the Bible haven't read the Bible. Women played some shockingly pivotal roles in scripture when viewed through the lens of the culture of the time. Rahab's pretty cool.
 
Yeah he’s actually kind of right here. As angry as I was about roe v wade we can’t pretend that women aren’t anti abortion and that women aren’t anti feminist. it’s a fact that women are turning away from feminism at higher rates and you can thousands of women unironically talking about taking away their own right. It’s disgusting but too many women are legitimately self hating and yes it’s the patriarchy’s fault but at the end of the day that’s where we’re at. It’s no secret that Feminism is a nullshit pozzed movement as of late filled with women unironically advocating for Prostitution, men’s rights, trannies etc. compared to blm and lgbt it’s way more reatrded. You’d never get blm saying white lives matter or lgbt saying straight pride, libfems are borderline meninists. And it is true that women have no real anger of fire towards misogyby like the blacks and the gays do towards their oppression and neither does societc. I already made my point about how sexism is the only form of bigotry that’s acceptable but a bit of that is because women have no real anger towards it. The instant trump said grab me by the pussy women should have rioted. buf they didn’t and 25 percent of white women voted for him. Women don’t have class solidarity like every other group and it’s one of the most evil things the patriarchy has accomplished in terms of decimating women’s rights. I’m not saying rvw is womens fault but it’s true that women have literally zero preservation skills and aren’t proactive enough in our fight
Women are turning from feminism because it’s been co-opted by corporations and Hollywood executives: “Female independence means spending your childbearing years slaving away to a soulless corporation, having insane amounts of casual sex, then dying alone with no family.”

I don’t need to tell you this but this version of feminism was obviously invented by men. Specifically the Harvey Weinsteins of the world, living in LA with an infinite supply of woman and children who would do anything for a crumb of fame. The whole point is to give women the false impression that the casting couch treatment is somehow “empowering.”

Emma Watson is an excellent example of such a modern feminist icon. She was clearly ultra mega raped (which is why she no longer wants anything to do with moids) but part of her platform is cope about the corporate vision of female independence, because if she didn’t have that, she’d probably go full Ted Kaczynski and kill every moid she sees since every man she’s ever met has tried to either exploit her for sex or money.

True female empowerment is to allow them to select a quality man and raise their children in peace, on his income alone. Of course, the corporate feminists pretend this is somehow oppression. They’d have you believe that you aren’t truly free unless both parents are forced to work to make ends meet, so the kids are raised by nannies and the state. And if that still isn’t enough, maybe you should just be selling degrading photos on OnlyFans as a side-hustle.
 
It's more the idea that identity could be changed.
I believe there are two types of troons - the ones you describe, who at some point realize that they fucked their lives beyond repair and want to start from the start (Cosmo Wright would be a good example) and sex pest troons who are products of porn addiction and troon out to live their fetishes and to shield themselves from consequences of their actions.

I don't think tranny porn really became more poplar or something.
Porn in general became much more accessible and consumption of porn is no longer associated with shame. In my social circle calling someone a coomer is similar to calling someone a faggot - offensive and emasculating. Younger generations who grew up on the Internet and terminally online individuals consider porn to be normal and openly talk about watching it and normalize actions portrayed in it, that's the crux of the problem.
 
Powerleveling here a bit but I’m frustrated and want to rant.

I have no clue if it has to do with me having a more passive personality, or whether my personal issues are more obvious than I think they are and men seeing and taking advantage of them, or if I’m just a magnet for the most deranged people in general, but I swear males take their emotions out on women in a way that they don't do with other men. Does it have anything to do with them being socialised to not talk about/show emotions (assuming they even have them in the first place lol) otherwise they'd be considered a faggot by other men? I swear nearly all my interactions with men have been negative, it’s either some pest with a Madonna-whore complex using me as a sexual punching bag, one of my gay "friends" using me as an emotional punching bag after a while of knowing them and I don't know how to tell them to fuck off properly without them causing even bigger problems for me (especially the fags)
 
Powerleveling here a bit but I’m frustrated and want to rant.

I have no clue if it has to do with me having a more passive personality, or whether my personal issues are more obvious than I think they are and men seeing and taking advantage of them, or if I’m just a magnet for the most deranged people in general, but I swear males take their emotions out on women in a way that they don't do with other men. Does it have anything to do with them being socialised to not talk about/show emotions (assuming they even have them in the first place lol) otherwise they'd be considered a faggot by other men? I swear nearly all my interactions with men have been negative, it’s either some pest with a Madonna-whore complex using me as a sexual punching bag, one of my gay "friends" using me as an emotional punching bag after a while of knowing them and I don't know how to tell them to fuck off properly without them causing even bigger problems for me (especially the fags)
Female socialization teaches us to caretake people's feelings. There's a low level threat at all times around, it feels like, where I have to take care of others feelings. Now as I've mentioned, I purposely do the opposite of that, and push through the fear that someone could react. But it is that which we talk about when we say all men benefit from violence against women; they keep us in place, taking care of their feelings, making sure not to make them mad, to apologize, to smooth over difficult interactions. That low level hum of anxiety you feel.? That's your body telling you to run.

Cutting all non essential males out of one's life greatly improves mental health.
 
This is exactly how I feel about modern liberalism and the so-called "left" in the US. There is no left in the US, because there is no class solidarity.
Sorry to shit up the ladies thread again, but I feel compelled to post this.
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The irony is in the decade since Occupy Wall Street the able bodied heterosexual white men who identity politics was fighting against have taken over identity politics by putting on a dress and changing their pronouns. The modern American left is an absolute joke.
I have no clue if it has to do with me having a more passive personality, or whether my personal issues are more obvious than I think they are and men seeing and taking advantage of them, or if I’m just a magnet for the most deranged people in general, but I swear males take their emotions out on women in a way that they don't do with other men. Does it have anything to do with them being socialised to not talk about/show emotions (assuming they even have them in the first place lol) otherwise they'd be considered a faggot by other men?
They've done studies on rhesus monkeys where they inject them with testosterone. What happens is they become more aggressive and less empathetic, but only to monkeys who are beneath them in the pecking order. They will be just as submissive to the alphas as before. So there probably is an element of socialisation to this, but I think there is also an inbuilt male desire to walk over people they perceive as less than them.
 

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Funny how even the most women sympathetic moid on this page still defends porn lol all men are dumb apes controlled by a nasty tumor between their legs. All men are the same
We'll always let you down in the end, Queen.
There are no men that are truly anti-porn for the right reasons... Men are never against porn because it is exploitative towards women and the industry sex-traffics women and girls and gets them addicted to drugs in order to control them.
But this is literally the only reason I'm against it, it's the idea that it's brain poison that corrupts any moid that glimpses it that I don't find convincing at all. I don't consume porn because it doesn't interest me, and I have no concern for the porn-addicted coomers ruining their lives with it, any more than I care about drug addicts or the obese ruining their own lives with crack and big macs. I used to have serious concerns with how it commodified women in the view of society, but I can't get any of the arguments there past the fact that women have been just as commodified for all of human history, with or without porn being available, so I've softened considerably on those ideas. I'm still very, very open to being convinced it's a malignant social contagion, because I feel in my gut that it is, but the standard sex-negative radfem arguments that I used to believe just don't convince me anymore.

I can't honestly call myself anti-porn when the only issue I have left with it is the exploitative industry and the "it's so liberating for women" cultural grooming that surrounds it, because that's not an inherent, fundamental objection. It's something that could conceivably be fixed (even though it probably never will).

I still feel that it's bad for society, on a visceral gut level. I just can't form a compelling explanation why, and I've been struggling to find one for a long time now.
 
Reading some stuff about Vtubers in another thread got me thinking about how hilariously ass mad moids seem to get over male Vtubers. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Vtuber, e-girl, and thirst bait streamer stuff is all around retarded, but men will chimp out at these anime boys and make it sound like catering to fujoshi and weeb girls is the real problem here instead of like, I don't know, all the pseudo-pedophilia going on with loli avatar Vtubers and their simps.
 
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