Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

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Incels don't see women as human, they see us as video game NPCs who can be won over if you choose the correct dialog option and then get butthurt when it doesn't work irl. They don't even attempt to hide this, they literally refer to dating as a game and making shallow attempts at improving themselves as "maxxing" like how you assign characters points for various traits
That's also one reason they get so butthurt over abortion, they see a potentially male embryo as more of a person than a woman or girl. It's like there's something wrong in their brain that prevents them from seeing female people as people.
 
Yeah gotta disagree there, at least that is definitely not something that happens to all women. Pregnancy doesn't turn a narcissist or sociopath into a normal person. The only thing that happens when someone with NPD gets pregnant and gives birth is they now have a completely dependant and incredibly convenient victim to abuse. Ask me how I know.

Which is more reason why Pregnancy/reproducing isn't something all women are suited for. Women are ultimately individual people, not walking incubators.
Of course there are outliers to everything. Postpartum depression and psychosis proves this. I definitely agree that there are many women who shouldn't get pregnant, like all the lolcows who have children on this site.
 
The faggots in thunderdome say that it's women's fault that troons are in their space so they cheer for troons nevermind that these troons are pedos and the most vile sex pests.
By that logic, it's their fault that pedos and other bad men exist. They stayed silent and even worse, cheered for the most vile kiddy diddlers.

It really makes you thunk...
I don't understand that mentality. It's parroted a lot, too. Men basically blaming women for the actions of other men makes zero sense to me. They never want to be held accountable for what their bros are doing. They blame men beating women on women, they blame men raping women on women, they blame men intruding in womens spaces on women, they blame pedo men molesting children on women. It is never mens fault despite being the aggressors.
Incels don't see women as human, they see us as video game NPCs who can be won over if you choose the correct dialog option and then get butthurt when it doesn't work irl. They don't even attempt to hide this, they literally refer to dating as a game and making shallow attempts at improving themselves as "maxxing" like how you assign characters points for various traits
I have had multiple men, men i've dated and coworkers, ask me to rate their level of attractiveness on a scale of 1 to 10. Like this was fucking Yelp for dating. I say I won't do it each time, cause that just introduces unnecessary conflict for zero reason. It has become an instant red flag for me.
 
Of course there are outliers to everything. Postpartum depression and psychosis proves this. I definitely agree that there are many women who shouldn't get pregnant, like all the lolcows who have children on this site.
I think all the threads of cows who've reproduced, like the Rodrigues and Sammieverse, should be required reading for all prolifers on the farms. That and Tard Baby.

Tard Baby is unironically informative AF especially about late-term abortions and the people who have them (spoilers: its almost always wanted pregnancies that got some horrible diagnosis because there are an infinite amount of horrific, often fatal, developmental abnormalities).
 
Let's be honest, most fathers still get plenty of sleep while the woman wakes up every hour to breastfeed.
That's not really what I'm talking about. There's more to it. The attention of the mother goes away from the husband to the child. There's men who troon out when the baby is born. There's also many men who kill their wives during or after pregnancy. You've posted the statistics yourself.

I distinctly remember a murder which involved a man killing his children and wife because the fucking violent retard didn't want to get a divorce and thought killing them all was better.
 
That's not really what I'm talking about. There's more to it. The attention of the mother goes away from the husband to the child. There's men who troon out when the baby is born. There's also many men who kill their wives during or after pregnancy. You've posted the statistics yourself.

I distinctly remember a murder which involved a man killing his children and wife because the fucking violent retard didn't want to get a divorce and thought killing them all was better.
Absolutely, I'm just saying they don't have the excuse that they are overtired from taking care of a baby.
 
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sometimes". A manbaby will immediately start to cry and REEEE "NOT ALL MEN! WOMEN ARE BAD TOO!". Like Dyn said, it's male fragility. They are completely afraid that even admitting that a woman is right one time will make them less of a man because they have been "defeated
I'll have you know that in our super secret autistic male illuminati we actually sent Dyn as a super ironic troll meant to seem like he supports women's rights (lol imagine trusting an aussie). We are not "afraid of defeat" because as a man, we rewrote the dictionary to define defeat as "something that a man is not capable of". Eg, you defend lidl even though lidl is legit considered bad by everyone, (I do like their sausage rolls though). Even Aldi and Poundland are better! (I use to love their sandwiches).

But seriously, manbabies are cringe.
conservative men, as it turns out, are not any better than liberal men when it comes to upholding values and morality
Liberal men would jack off as their wife cucks them by having them do anal with their "bull" preaching about how they are not racist. Conservatives would just do it themselves whilst preaching how the bible tells 'em that it ain't a sin.
 
Thats why I stick to drawn porn and fanfiction. No worry about accidentally jerking off to a trafficking victim with drawings of fictional mecha anime space nazis getting crammed full of dicks.

I think a lot of tradcels want to use porn existing as a scapegoat for why they can't get laid, when in reality it's their shit personalities. They don't actually give a shit about the real problems with the porn industry or w/e, they just want to blame being a gross misogynistic weirdo on having looked at porn so they don't have to accept they are the problem. An extreme version is Ted Bundy trying to blame porn for him raping and murdering a bunch of women and little girls (when he was just a sick fuck that would've probably done that shit regardless).
 
I know a lot of women who loved the whole pregnancy experience, but of course it's not easy even if you have an "easy pregnancy". But nothing worth doing is easy
Women definitely experience pregnancy differently, but I think all women can at least agree that the delivery part of pregnancy is not pleasant.
Most pregnancies, and for most women, aren't utter misery, nor an exercise in fetishization, nor traumatizing - eventful, often difficult, but not usually horrific or unbearable.

I loved being pregnant. Of course nausea isn't "fun,"and the last couple weeks with weird twinge-y pain at every step aren't a way I'd like to do every day in life, but otherwise it was cool. Not in a gritted-teeth, "I'm getting a baby out of it so this is worth it," and also not "woo woo such a mystical connected experience" (though tbh actually growing a baby inside you is a pretty rad idea/experience, imo/ime), but just regular, plain old enjoyed it.

As for birth, epidurals are fantastic, highly recommend. Pitocin is a bitch for sure, especially when Nurse Ratchet is administering it - but jeez, it's not like the pain of getting/fixing an acl tear means you hate doing your sport of choice - it's just a thing.

Call me stubborn or sturdy, but a bit of pain (or discomfort, or inconvenience) hardly automatically makes life (or pregnancy/ birthing) some kind of absolutely terrible or terrifying thing.

Going to add also that I loved it even with a shitty husband who didn't do a damn thing during or after. And I'd have done it again if I'd had a better one (husband), but I didn't, so I wised up and out a couple years after the last. None of that changes that pregnancy itself was a great experience for me.

I also know plenty of women who really disliked it or hated the body changes or had very bad experiences/scary complications, but for most, it's fine-to-good, at the least.

I 100% endorse never getting pregnant if you know you don't want to experience any discomfort, you're terrified of or have reason to expect you would experience major complications, or you don't actually want to reorient your life for decades. Or - if you just don't want to.

I genuinely don't take the positive descriptions of pregnancy and childbirth from people who have been pregnant because many of those memories have either been erased or manipulated by hormones that have been in their ancestral line to want to have another kid.
Why do this? You're dismissing the actual, lived experiences of people who have done something, in favor of speculation by those who have not. Those who have not know better - how?

As for accuracy of recollection, mine are consistent with the things I experienced and wrote down while actually going through it. I had no romantic notions about being pregnant or having children going in, and I didn't lose my brain as a result of either one. Not all women are rendered idiot slaves to hormones or motivated (because patriarchy or pick-me, I guess?) to paper over some mythical hellscape and live in denial of horrific trauma as part of the universal conspiracy to con other women into accepting lives of hell. Nope, some of us just enjoyed it - the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Condescending to women who have real, actual experiences that don't jibe with second- or third-hand horror stories is something I would expect from ill-intentioned incels and other male malcontents.

Let's be honest, most fathers still get plenty of sleep while the woman wakes up every hour to breastfeed.
My useless ex-husband never once did (if that's an exaggeration, it's not by much). I didn't have a full night's sleep for over a year with my challenging first; no help from dad. He thought he was a "50-50" guy, yet which one of us had the higher-stakes job, made markedly more than half of our household income, and did 98% of the childcare? I wonder.
Incels (I mean those who proudly and sincerely identify as such, not just guys who haven't had luck romantically) and red/blackpillers on women stuff have rendered themselves into non-men. There is nothing positive about them. And they can blame women and feminism until the cows come home, but they did it to themselves.
 
Some men even get off on it. Sometimes it worries me when I shit on incel idiots on this site that they are just secret femdom fetishists who get off on being yelled at by women and told they are retarded.
LMAO. I guess I fall into that potential trap too. Anything can turn these genetic defects on though so I don't even bother trying to avoid it beyond eventually ignoring bad faith attention seekers
 
Yeah gotta disagree there, at least that is definitely not something that happens to all women. Pregnancy doesn't turn a narcissist or sociopath into a normal person. The only thing that happens when someone with NPD gets pregnant and gives birth is they now have a completely dependant and incredibly convenient victim to abuse. Ask me how I know.

Which is more reason why Pregnancy/reproducing isn't something all women are suited for. Women are ultimately individual people, not walking incubators.
I am under the opinion if every woman was pushed to motherhood, we would see lots of cases similar to Andrea Yates.

Not because "women are unstable psychotic BPD messes that want to kill children on a whim" mentality incels have but, because not all women have
maternal skills, a supporting circle/network of people that would help them when dealing with post-partum depression episodes and newly acquired motherhood.

Especially, if they are new mothers in fundamentalist/super conservative spaces where women are just expected to wing it with their first baby, where talks of mental issues and depression are forbidden along with the idea taking anti-depressants being blasphemous.

Honestly, Andrea Yates case is one of the rare cases that made me feel frustrated because it
could had been prevented if her husband and his family didn't have their heads up their own ass.

Reading about how her retarded husband kept pushing her to have children
despite objections both from his wife and her psychiatrist/therapist is blood-boiling material.
The sheer audacity of this lunatic to suggest in her trial, that when he bails her out, they can
return to reproducing and start a new family is sheer lunacy and then double that when he
divorced her while she was in prison to waddle off with his new wife (she divorced his ass lol).

But anyways back to the topic,
I think, there are other ways for women who don't want or can't have their own children to feel maternal, if they want to by their own choice.
One example in animal kingdom is lionesses who are unable to reproduce or aren't picked by the alpha lion being wet-nurses and caretakers for their pack, in worst case scenarios;

If the main lioness dies (lets say during a fatal hunt), they take the role of substitute mother for the cubs. If animals that we consider primitive can find a system like this, I don't see why it be hard for humans to find a system similar to theirs but advanced to be on our level.
 
I've said before but Rusty Yates deserved criminal charges as well, the blood of those children is absolutely on his hands. Doctors told him for years Andrea needed to stay on her meds and not have anymore kids and he ignored it because he thought she existed to be his baby factory for Jesus. She wasn't even supposed to be left alone with the kids when she killed them, and guess what he did?

Postpartum depression/psychosis is a chemical thing, like its literally pregnancy hormones not playing nice with your brain chemistry. I'd imagine it's something some women are just genetically predisposed to, like other issues. I've also heard neurodivergent women are at higher risk. I'm sure I'd get it lol
 
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