Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

Its just so fucking gross, dudes cant see a fucking bare ankle nowadays without letting everyone know that yes, they indeed want to masturbate to it
It's why telling women to cover up more won't solve the catcalling and street harassment; it's like men get a homeostatic reset each month of what constitutes being "scantily clad". So if the norm is for women to cover their hair, men will get rock hard if they see flyaway hairs. It's like an arms race: the more restrictive women's dress codes are, the more men will do to get their nut on.
It makes one wonder if maiming your face, getting skeletal thin or planet sized fat(or chopping your tits off) would get people to start viewing you as a human instead of some sort of transcended alien
It's a damn good reason to pretend you're a man on the Internet, if you can get away with it. It's sometimes the only way to get your ideas taken seriously. It's why J.K. Rowling and E.L. James write under the names that they do: from the bookstand it's not obvious the books were written by women.
What men don't understand about this "easy life" is that men don't treat you nice without hidden motive and expect sex in exchange for their "kindness" and when you don't return the favor they get angry and violent a lot of the time because you were "leading them on" by accepting something you thought was just kindness.
And your dad will tell you you invited it by being nice to that guy, and your mom will ask if you did it on purpose to get a free dinner.
 
It's a damn good reason to pretend you're a man on the Internet, if you can get away with it. It's sometimes the only way to get your ideas taken seriously.
This must be a sign of the apocalypse, I'm agreeing with a post by Margaret Pless.
Which thinking about it kind of refutes your point. I was agreeing for laughs, but in reality any idea can stand on its own if it's good enough, no matter who says it. Today at least, it obviously wasn't always like that.
 
The moids in A&T like to argue that the lives of women are easy compared to theirs because they can whore themselves out in various ways (OF, sugar babies, street hooker, stripper etc.) It's as if men think being a literal prostitute is an "easy" job, and they wish they too could whore themselves out for money (fwiw they could, trick is they have to be hot, and quick on the scheduling book, and invest a lot of money into makeup/costumes/gym/appearance, and last but not least, willing to let strangers use their body as a cumdump.)
Thats pretty much it, yeah.

Again, i'm not saying i agree with it, but i get where it comes from. From a male perspective, the highlight comes as a given, not a struggle. (Also, let's be real here, men don't care about your costumes and cosplay, we care about being teased with boobi, vagene and nowadays fucking feet of all things.) and unlike women, we really dont care about the mental strain of hypothetically becoming a living cumbucket for a living. We just don't have that sort of emotional intelligence i guess.

Not trying to convince any of you cause i know you won't see it our way at ever, but i saw a post asking why we tend to believe it and wanted to try and describe it as accurately as i can. Not trying to excuse it either, it's a disgusting way of thinking and if anything this post might make some of you hate us even more
 
men don't care about your costumes and cosplay
Gotta disagree; men have all kinds of fucked up fetishes (e.g. balloon fetish) that they just can't seem to do without. And dont forget AGP. I've also heard it is somewhat normal for boys to masturbate with such er, gusto, that their dicks go numb by age 18.
we really dont care about the mental strain of hypothetically becoming a living cumbucket for a living.
While I'm sure the mental strain of being sexually exploited by strangers is pretty awful, I was actually thinking of the physical/medical danger of fucking rando dick for a living and the risk of johns getting violent. And I was also thinking that johns probably smell terrible and that I would feel like a fucking clown dolling myself up so some sweaty pig can beat his meat.
and wanted to try and describe it as accurately as i can.
No worries and I appreciate the explanation. Obviously it's a spectrum, where the innocent side is watching porn, the questionable side is hiring hookers, and the horrors are shit like trapping your teenage daughter in a secret basement prison and siring 9 kids to her over 24 years.
I'm agreeing with a post by Margaret Pless.
thx man
 
I remember a talk I had with my friend. We got on the subject of worse jobs, and I said prostitution has to be one of the worse physically and spiritually. His response was construction work wears down the body. I was just shocked at his ignorance - are men really that blind to how women think? Like yeah buddy, I know physical labor is hard! That's not the same as selling your body! Men are the fucking autism of sexes, I swear. Eye-opening, but probably not for him.
 
It's a damn good reason to pretend you're a man on the Internet, if you can get away with it. It's sometimes the only way to get your ideas taken seriously.
That was common sense on the Internet 20 to 25 years ago, hell as recent as ten. Every forum I've ever gone on, despite choosing a sort of female sounding screenname, I wouldn't advertise my sex. And I got away with it. You'd be amazed (well, probably not) how dimwitted males are, talking to someone with a female sounding screenname, yet calling me "him". I wouldn't correct them until I got well integrated into the forum and felt okay with revealing my actual sex. And of course, even though most people were okay, you'd always get one or two fucking weirdos who wouldn't leave you alone. I'm sure plenty of women never reveal it. Men think they are the center of the universe, that every place they inhabit is female-free because those icky vaginas are too dumb to have interests, yet women post without revealing our sex all the time. I see men on 4chan guess how many women post all the time. I think their numbers are far, far lower than the reality, at least on the actual interest boards. The art on the porn boards is too ugly to be posted by women.

All the more reason the whole "pronouns in bio" thing still baffles me to this day. I came from a time where you didn't do that. I used to almost exclusively see youngfag millennials, who may as well be zoomers, and zoomers do it. But even older people do it now on Twitter. It's fucking bizarre.
 
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I remember a talk I had with my friend. We got on the subject of worse jobs, and I said prostitution has to be one of the worse physically and spiritually. His response was construction work wears down the body. I was just shocked at his ignorance - are men really that blind to how women think? Like yeah buddy, I know physical labor is hard! That's not the same as selling your body! Men are the fucking autism of sexes, I swear. Eye-opening, but probably not for him.
Honestly? We are. It's not that we want to actively antagonize, we're just kinda simple that way. "Does this make me feel good? If so, i like it." Blessing and a curse in my opinion.
 
The moids in A&T like to argue that the lives of women are easy compared to theirs because they can whore themselves out in various ways (OF, sugar babies, street hooker, stripper etc.) It's as if men think being a literal prostitute is an "easy" job, and they wish they too could whore themselves out for money (fwiw they could, trick is they have to be hot, and quick on the scheduling book, and invest a lot of money into makeup/costumes/gym/appearance, and last but not least, willing to let strangers use their body as a cumdump.)
That's one where they talk out of both sides of their mouths. "Women have it easy, they can just do OnlyFans and make 10 gorillan dollars" and "women who do OF are trashy BPD whores." So you're saying there are drawbacks to this supposedly easy job?

Even if you look at some of the most successful OF girls, like Trisha Paytas and Amouranth (who both have threads here), they appear to have miserable, drama-filled lives. It is almost as if whoring yourself out long term can come with some trauma.
 
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man makes great sacrifice by having a woman cook him meals that aren't week-old spaghetti
 
There is literally nothing beauty alone gets you more often than average women other than harassment. If you're both beautiful and a cruel manipulator, maybe, but if you're good looking, honest and nice you just get assumptions that your life is easy as pie and that nothing should bother you
Oh, please, not "pretty women have it the worst."

All women (as a group, not each and every one) get treated like shit based on appearance, albeit with different rationales. Assumptions that "you're pretty so you must be dumb/a slut/after something," or"you're plain or ugly, so you must be desperate/ deficient/ overshooting," are standard fare.

If you're at a place you sincerely wonder whether maiming or disfiguring yourself is a step toward...something better, you need psychiatric help and/or to grow up, because you're playing helpless victim*. We (almost) all experience negative things in life, and the best course is just to do well, do good, and excel to the best of your abilities, despite biases or uphill battles (and if that feels beyond reach, self-work is a good idea; no, it doesn't fix bias, but it optimizes life; and nothing prevents working for the larger good as well).

*You may in fact be a victim in certain ways and by certain people, and those biases may have a real, negative impact. I've experienced it many times. But we (humans, barring extreme circumstances) are not helpless in a larger sense. I'm not saying bias based on sex or appearance is fair or right, to be clear. Just that we have choices, in most cases, to fight it, leave it, or work it. Consequences aren't always great, of course, which is wrong.

It makes one wonder if maiming your face, getting skeletal thin or planet sized fat(or chopping your tits off) would get people to start viewing you as a human instead of some sort of transcended alien
Ladies, stop diminishing yourselves. Things like tit-chopping (or self-harm) as a reaction to being pretty are unsupportable. Chop em if you hate them, I guess, but as a reaction to being considered pretty or attractive, it's insane and ridiculous. If - and I don't believe it is the case - these are being done on any scale for this reason, the need is for a) mental care and/or b) ingraining of a sense of self and resilience (and recognizing that dumbfuck men's views of you don't define you; abuse victims are a different thing, so not including that in my comment).

they need to feel desired without caring to become desirable and push it back on shit like height and baldness
This is a great point. Many (no idea as to %, but I'd wager it's at least "most") women go to pains to maximize their superficial appearance, and that's the "norm." Yes, some things we (generally speaking) do are for our own sense of feeling good, to be our best selves, or at least to feel comfortable, but there are significant cultural influences - including on basic bodily upkeep.

There is a subgroup of men who are joyless and (coincidentally, sure) loveless refuse to make similar "accommodations." Cool; do you, but understand that if an aim is to attract others, then there may be things you do (like shower occasionally) in part because of general norms/expectations, in addition to actually feeling better and often being more on top of life when you tend to your physical body. This subgroup refuses to accept that in a society, sometimes we do things that are deemed social norms. Everyone should feel free to disregard those per one's own preferences, but choices (may) have consequences. Falling back on "women hate shorties" or "bald guys never have a chance" is just weak, when you refuse to wash yourself (or go outside, or be minimally congenial, or have a job, or whatever).

I think a lot of men just straight up don't want babies period. They might say they do, but all they actually want is muh genetic legacy and to babytrap a woman. As soon as the kid is born they want nothing to do with it (or are actively abusive) and pawn off all the work on the woman.
Too many men (meaning, > 0) think their job is done at insemination, and the rest is wOmAn'S wOrK.

So if the norm is for women to cover their hair, men will get rock hard if they see flyaway hairs. It's like an arms race: the more restrictive women's dress codes are, the more men will do to get their nut on.
Not really apropos, but sort of, and a grand old song, for a moment of lightness:

"In olden days, a glimpse of stocking
Was looked on as something shocking"


That was common sense on the Internet 20 to 25 years ago, hell as recent as ten. Every forum I've ever gone on, despite choosing a sort of female sounding screenname, I wouldn't advertise my sex. And I got away with it. You'd be amazed (well, probably not) how dimwitted males are, talking to someone with a female sounding screenname, yet calling me "him". I wouldn't correct them until I got well integrated into the forum and felt okay with revealing my actual sex. And of course, even though most people were okay, you'd always get one or two fucking weirdos who wouldn't leave you alone. I'm sure plenty of women never reveal it. [...]

All the more reason the whole "pronouns in bio" thing still baffles me to this day. I came from a time where you didn't do that. I used to almost exclusively see youngfag millennials, who may as well be zoomers, and zoomers do it. But even older people do it now on Twitter. It's fucking bizarre.
Idk and basically dgaf about advertising pronouns, but though I've occasionally chosen semi-gender-ambiguous user names in (granny voice) all my years on the internet, I've never actually hidden my gender, even in places I knew would be immediately dismissive of a woman's comment/viewpoint. Why? Because I don't fucking care whether or not someone perceives me one way or another because I am a woman. I am confident in my ability to interact and to debate (win or lose) if that's where it goes. I don't need to mask or masquerade due to gender. Women's ideas are not "lesser than" or bound by sex. If you have independence of thought grounded in reality and aren't unthinkingly parroting viewpoints without having investigated them, what's to be afraid of? Sexist or demeaning comments and offensive dms? Dismiss or defeat (or report/annihilate, if they are abusive). Online comments don't have real-life impact*; I'd think that folks younger than I would know that more than anyone and be more hardened to it than my GenX contemporaries.

*and I mean comments, not going outside that universe
Honestly? We are. It's not that we want to actively antagonize, we're just kinda simple that way. "Does this make me feel good? If so, i like it." Blessing and a curse in my opinion.
Y'all can do better.

I wonder why so many men seem to think they are bound by their reactive urges. Presumably, most of these men are sentient, some even intelligent. If you know you're an ape at heart, ok, but then - try not to be an ape. It's not hard to check yourself. If you (the general you) wanted to do better, you would. But there's a circle-jerk culture of self-reinforcing affirmation for being an ape, lately cloaked as bIoLoGy, as if individuals were helpless to moderate it. It's weak and lame and lazy. Do better.
 
Made my bf watch Andrea Dworkin's Pornography Documentary last night. He finally gets it.
But even older people do it now on Twitter. It's fucking bizarre.
It's Millennials in HR making them do it, or older people who claim to be "allies", and who think every troon or gay men is passive and sassy like on Modern Family or Will & Grace.
"women live on easy mode"
- men who are heads of the house just for being male
- men who can get good-paying jobs just by nature of males being physically stronger than women
- men who aren't harassed by others or have their competency questioned at work
MGTOW scrotes will spew out phrases like the "easy mode" shit and then never elaborate on what they mean. And if they dare to do, they'll just bring up some BS like alimony payments or selective service
 
I remember a talk I had with my friend. We got on the subject of worse jobs, and I said prostitution has to be one of the worse physically and spiritually. His response was construction work wears down the body. I was just shocked at his ignorance - are men really that blind to how women think? Like yeah buddy, I know physical labor is hard! That's not the same as selling your body! Men are the fucking autism of sexes, I swear. Eye-opening, but probably not for him.

I know a girl who has a torn shoulder ligament from being in Childcare for 10 years, from just carrying babies and toddlers around every day. While the guys I know who've worked in construction, they are fucked by 35, all the little workplace injuries and accidents over 20 years adds up. Broken bones, torn ligaments, injured spinal cords. If something goes really bad, then they are on workers compensation and are usually on disability for the rest of their lives.

Talk to a construction guy some time and ask about what surgeries or pins or plates he has in his body.
 
If men want more compliments, they need to realize a compliment is not a come on, but they don't. The best I'll give them is a compliment on their shirt if it's the same music taste as me.
Careful. Better chase those compliments with dissing something else (not penis size though) otherwise you're going to get asked on a date.

Anyway, has worked for me for years.
 
Y'all can do better.

I wonder why so many men seem to think they are bound by their reactive urges. Presumably, most of these men are sentient, some even intelligent. If you know you're an ape at heart, ok, but then - try not to be an ape. It's not hard to check yourself. If you (the general you) wanted to do better, you would. But there's a circle-jerk culture of self-reinforcing affirmation for being an ape, lately cloaked as bIoLoGy, as if individuals were helpless to moderate it. It's weak and lame and lazy. Do better.
Here's the answer to the highlight, we don't want to say it out loud because it makes us look worse, and you won't like to hear it either.

"Why should i do better?"

I'm not gonna say selfishness is a purely male trait, but regarding your question, it's the only right answer. We don't like to perform unless we are certain there's a reward at the end of the tip. Goes from receiving sex all the way to just having a smile flashed back at us. It's all about the feeling of achievement and reward.

It's not hard to check ourselves, you're absolutely right. It's as simple as treating others the way you want to be treated, but the fact of the matter is that we are selfish that way. How does being better benefit *us*?

The women in our lives will feel more comfortable and easier on their shoes? That's aight... But what do *i* get out of it?

You'll become a much more pleasant person to be around? I don't care about that. Give *me* something!

How about just doing it because it's the right thing to do? Fuck off.

Not all of us are like this, obviously. But it's a percentage big enough to be worrisome. The light at the end of the tunnel is that it's easier to get the message through by reminding us of the women in our lives. Still selfish when you break it down, but it works. No sensible man wants to see his mother, sisters or wife going through that.

Careful. Better chase those compliments with dissing something else (not penis size though) otherwise you're going to get asked on a date.

Anyway, has worked for me for years.
Niggas will take a kind disposition as a fucking invitation. Sometimes even being blunt is not enough.

I feel for female clerks
 
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