Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the morning after pill [or at least one variant] just a MOAB BC pill? [&∴hormone -based?]
Yes, it's not an "abortion pill" like some people think, it prevents ovulation and they will also tell you it doesn't work if you already ovulated. It will also make you feel suicidal and depressed and like you have the worst PMS of your entire life for like 4 weeks. Fun fun.
 
I'm currently 28 weeks pregnant and I'm small (4'11, WAS 75lbs but gained weight since then) and I feel like shit. Doctor says I should be able to give birth vaginally "just fine, women were built for that" but I have a very, very strong feeling something is gonna go wrong.
Sorry it's a bit unrelated but a bit related cuz we talking about small women and babies and I'm honestly scared.
If it would make you feel better, insist that your doctor go over the things that can go wrong and go over the plan he has to deal with each of them. Bring your husband, or any male you know, if you think he is going to push back against that discussion.
 
A cross-post from the woman hate thread, courtesy of @AgendaPoster but I think this thread will appreciate it for a different reason:
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My favorite excerpt:
“A small but mounting body of evidence describes female psychopaths as prone to expressing violence verbally rather than physically, with the violence being of a relational and emotional nature, more subtle and less obvious than that expressed by male psychopaths,” he noted, adding that may include spreading rumours and lies for personal advantage.
So, according to Dr. Clive Buddy (depicted below), male psychopaths rape and kill and female psychopaths hurt feelings and gossip.
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Don’t you get it ladies?? You being rude is basically just as bad as when we rape and/or murder you. This is a both sides issue!
 
I'm currently 28 weeks pregnant and I'm small (4'11, WAS 75lbs but gained weight since then) and I feel like shit. Doctor says I should be able to give birth vaginally "just fine, women were built for that" but I have a very, very strong feeling something is gonna go wrong.
I think your scale must be a little off... 75lbs and '4"11 computes to a BMI of 15.
BMI Categories:
Underweight = <18.5
Normal weight = 18.5–24.9
Overweight = 25–29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
 
A cross-post from the woman hate thread, courtesy of @AgendaPoster but I think this thread will appreciate it for a different reason:
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My favorite excerpt:

So, according to Dr. Clive Buddy (depicted below), male psychopaths rape and kill and female psychopaths hurt feelings and gossip.
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Don’t you get it ladies?? You being rude is basically just as bad as when we rape and/or murder you. This is a both sides issue!


psychopath is when no one pay attention to me
 
I'm currently 28 weeks pregnant and I'm small (4'11, WAS 75lbs but gained weight since then) and I feel like shit. Doctor says I should be able to give birth vaginally "just fine, women were built for that" but I have a very, very strong feeling something is gonna go wrong.
Sorry it's a bit unrelated but a bit related cuz we talking about small women and babies and I'm honestly scared.
I’ve never given birth but I’ve gotten advice from many mothers, if you feel like something is going to go wrong you should never dismiss that feeling and go with what your gut tells you. Don’t be afraid to voice your concerns even if it feels like it’s just anxiety talking.
 
I'm currently 28 weeks pregnant and I'm small (4'11, WAS 75lbs but gained weight since then) and I feel like shit. Doctor says I should be able to give birth vaginally "just fine, women were built for that" but I have a very, very strong feeling something is gonna go wrong.
Sorry it's a bit unrelated but a bit related cuz we talking about small women and babies and I'm honestly scared.
1. Don't be scared. It really, really will not help. Everyone gets a bit scared when it gets to second stage, but please do not fret before then. You genuinely can't predict how it will go.
2. Go to a fucking hospital for delivery. Don't get any mad crunchy ideas. Hospitals have doctors and blood transfusions and neonatologists. This is a thing you do in a hospital, particularly the first time, especially if you are anxious.
3. If they think you need a section, get the fucking section. Yes, it's a big hole that takes six weeks to heal. You and you child will be alive.
4. If kid spins round and gets engaged head down, you have as good a chance as anyone of getting the baby out.
5. The thing no one tells you when they are blah-blah'ing about birth plans etc: you are not meaningfully in control of the process. I don't mean in terms of who's managing the delivery, or pain relief, or doulas or any other shit. Your body does that pushing business with very fucking little input from your brain. Lean into that. Your body does pretty much know wha tto do, and the doctors and midwives are there to help you if things get dicey.
6. It's actually completely normal to feel absolutely shit during pregnancy, especially third trimester. Some people sail through and some of us are like the walking dead. Your body does what it does. Also, you are absolutely 100% entitled to feel sorry for yourself about this. We've all heard "pregnancy's not an illness!" but actually there are a range of delightfully debilitating conditions that commonly occur in pregnancy. You have the right to feel shit and say so.
7. Get all the sleep you can. Your body actually does need more rest in the next twelve weeks. You are knitting together an entire goddamn human at the molecular level; take some naps.
8. IT IS GOING TO BE FINE.
 
A cross-post from the woman hate thread, courtesy of @AgendaPoster but I think this thread will appreciate it for a different reason:
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My favorite excerpt:

So, according to Dr. Clive Buddy (depicted below), male psychopaths rape and kill and female psychopaths hurt feelings and gossip.
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Don’t you get it ladies?? You being rude is basically just as bad as when we rape and/or murder you. This is a both sides issue!
Some estimates have suggested there could be a 10:1 ratio of male to female psychopaths, but Boddy’s work, using only the first part of the LSRP, suggested the figures were very different.

“It’s almost one to one,” Boddy said, although he noted large-scale studies of randomly chosen adults would be needed to get a more definitive picture.
Source: Trust me bro

“Estimates [using the first part of the LSRP suggest] there are about 23% of men who, although they’re not categorically psychopathic, have enough of the traits to be problematic for society,” he said.

Boddy’s own research, based on surveys of white-collar workers, suggested such traits were not uncommon in females. “Around 12% to 13% of females have enough of those traits to be potentially problematic,” he said.
the first part of the assessment looked at how emotionally detached, selfish, uncaring and manipulative a person was, the second part – which covered the psychopathic lifestyle – focused on violence and antisocial behaviour.
Given how many times I've seen moids complaining that their female coworkers aren't friendly enough or are too bossy and therefore equals manipulative b*tches, I am surprised that the "problematic" women percentage is less than 20.

Curiosity got me to skim a reddit post about the article and the moids are sooo happy that they get to call more women crazy. Though I recall every last time such articles or studies about psychopathy in males were posted, the moids project it onto themselves and talk about it as though it's a desirable trait. You know, all the "it takes a psychopath to climb the the top, just how it is :/" and "personally I work very hard to have empathy for others, lest I unleash the very cool psycho monster inside of me" stuff.
 
I think your scale must be a little off... 75lbs and '4"11 computes to a BMI of 15.
BMI Categories:
Underweight = <18.5
Normal weight = 18.5–24.9
Overweight = 25–29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
It is true though. I was never on the chart for years and in 7th grade doctors told me I either gain weight or get forcefed at a hospital so I gained to 75 and was stuck there since.
@Fareal (sorry I can't reply normally) and thank you for your advice and reassurance. I was panicky lol
@Catman from cat town Thank you too. Sometimes my anxiety gets the better of me and I think of the worse possible scenarios.
@Kermit the Impaler Yeah, like mentioned above my thoughts tend to get the better of me. It is stupid! Thank you though, I will ask my Doc and go over it with my husband
 
I'm currently 28 weeks pregnant and I'm small (4'11, WAS 75lbs but gained weight since then) and I feel like shit. Doctor says I should be able to give birth vaginally "just fine, women were built for that" but I have a very, very strong feeling something is gonna go wrong.
Sorry it's a bit unrelated but a bit related cuz we talking about small women and babies and I'm honestly scared.

Well, if it helps, anecdata: my grandmothers were 4'10" and 4'11". Between them they had 16 births, including a set of twins. And my grandfathers were 6'3" and just under 6'. My mother and I are also shorties and had successful pregnancies with kids ranging 6.5-8.5 lbs (3-3.9 kg, roughly). We were all in the slightly underweight - mid normal/ healthy weight (by bmi calcs) ranges prior to each pregnancy, and most pregnancies were in 20s - 30s (one grandmother's first was in her teens).

My college best friend was 4'11" and about 80 lbs, very dainty bone structure and very short-waisted (not a classic "birthing body"); she had 3 with no incident.

No one's ribs broke. No one's pelvis shattered. No one lost teeth. No one had a c-section. And I can't speak for anyone but me, but the tearing wasn't bad, even with an induced birth* for the first one (and episiotomies are probably yet another thing people have conniptions about, but a controlled snip can be better than an uncontrolled tear), and everything bounced back just fine.
*pitocin was a bitch.

And congrats on your pregnancy! As @Fareal said, it's OK if you feel like shit. With the exception of significant morning sickness with my first, which evaporated at 14ish weeks, I felt great, but not everyone does. Eat and sleep well, take your vites, and assuming no medical reasons not to, be as active as you can.

[The morning-after pill/Plan B] prevents ovulation
Yes:
Morning-after pills do not end a pregnancy that has implanted. They work primarily by delaying or preventing ovulation.
And they can also prevent implantation if fertilization but not implantation has occurred.

Also: there are multiple morning-after pills:
The morning-after pill is intended for backup contraception only, not as a primary method of birth control. Morning-after pills contain either levonorgestrel (Plan B One-Step) or ulipristal acetate (ella).

Levonorgestrel is available over-the-counter without a prescription; ulipristal acetate is available only with a prescription.


it's not an "abortion pill" like some people think,
Yes:
Keep in mind that the morning-after pill isn't the same as mifepristone (Mifeprex), also known as RU-486 or the abortion pill. This drug terminates an established pregnancy — one in which the fertilized egg has attached to the uterine wall and has begun to develop.
 
I'm currently 28 weeks pregnant and I'm small (4'11, WAS 75lbs but gained weight since then) and I feel like shit. Doctor says I should be able to give birth vaginally "just fine, women were built for that" but I have a very, very strong feeling something is gonna go wrong.
Sorry it's a bit unrelated but a bit related cuz we talking about small women and babies and I'm honestly scared.
Congratulations! I am also small. How ‘easy’ a birth is a a complex mix of factors. head soze, pelvic shape, but also the position the baby is in can make a big difference. There’s a (slightly hippy) website called spinning babies which has exercises that can help gently encourage the baby into a good position. Check it out, it’s a bit crunchy but has some good exercises to do.
Right at the end the baby has to rotate, while being head down, under to engage properly and a lot of the issues of birth is the baby rotating - if it’s already locked and loaded it’ll be less bad than if it has to do a full rotation on the way down or if it ends up in a non optimum position.
I would sit down with your other half and discuss what you would like to happen as in if…then… so if they offer you forceps or section? (Answer: get the fuck away from me with forceps, go to section.)
Talk to your midwife or OB or whatever is in your country. Explain your concern and don’t be fobbed off. Ask what the options are for birth. Are they onboard with keeping you as mobile as possible? At what point would they go to section if things aren’t progressing? Will they be cool with you not giving birth on your back? Do they do stuff like support the perineal area during birth?
What kinds of epidurals do they offer? Remember that taking a full (not walking) epidural will affect your movement, and can lead to a cascade of intervention, but also that sometimes that intervention is needed.
They can also estimate head size as well from scans and if the head is ludicrously big sometimes they will section in that alone (not in my case alas, and yes, those Nordic babies have gigantic heads…)

Learn your breathing techniques as well, but pinch of salt with those - they’re great as a tool, but if you need intervention you need it. People get really weird about birth and there’s a camp who will shame you for doing anything other than breathe the baby out silently. Tell them to fuck off too, but dollars the breathing techniques because they’re helpful at various points.
My three top tips would be keep moving, keep as upright as you can and perineal support.
Best of luck with it, I don’t think it’s ever fun but the resulting baby is well worth it.
If you’re not on mumsnet, then that’s somewhere that’s also full of very useful advice.
ETA: I’m small, all my kids have ludicrously large skulls and they were all out fine in the end, one way or another.
 
@Friend of Dorothy Parker Dang that is A LOT of babies!!!! I need to do more research on pitocin and epidural and the like cuz I don't know a lot. Well I know a bit about epidural but not pitocin. Your comment reassured and comforted me though, thank you.
Don't let the doctors convince you to do a planned induction. I don't know if you are in the US but they love to do that in the US because it fits their schedule better if they can plan it when it's convenient for them but every woman I know who agreed to that regretted it massively. It's better to do it at 3am with a doctor you don't know but your baby is actually ready to go and you don't need any pitocin. Ofc sometimes it's unavoidable when things aren't progressing on their own but I would definitely wait for that. They also love to do C-sections in the US for this reasons, more convenient and because it's more money for them.

What kinds of epidurals do they offer? Remember that taking a full (not walking) epidural will affect your movement, and can lead to a cascade of intervention, but also that sometimes that intervention is needed.
This is good advice, most women don't know there's actually several different kinds of epidurals, some that allow you to move around still and you don't need a catheter (which imo is the main reason to avoid the full epidural of the high risk of infection) but still will take most of the pain away.

Maybe we should make a general thread for this stuff, lol.
 
If you wondered where all those obnoxious whitey nationalist trad larpers that got kicked out of 109 websites went, they didn't went off-grid like the trads they said they are, they just moved to Tumblr where they bitch about white women and then wondering why no white woman wants to be with them.
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This will probably sound an unpopular opinion, but in a some way I do feel sorry for white women that had children with somebody outside of their race, especially if the father of her child is a black man because if a nignog leaves the white woman with their child you get bunch of smug retards going "I told you so" and basically telling her she's a race traitor, but if a white woman manages to work out and have a successful marriage with black man or any person outside her race you'll get the same people calling her a race traitor because even if the marriage is trad and proper in every sense, it means nothing to them because she didn't settle down with a white man.

Also let's not forget the hypocrisy, that all of these /pol/moids that shit on women for having children with somebody that isn't white or even dating somebody outside their race, they are awfully quiet or do so many mental gymnastics trying to justify white guys dating women outside their race with retard copes such as:

"But it's different because they're the one colonizing them" (gross)
or
"Can you blame them? Look at the state of white women!" (they say that as they expect white women to pop out white babies out of nowhere).

Modern moids can't fathom the idea that women of any race falling in love with somebody that isn't their race without going "DURRR THEY WANT TO BE BLACKED/BLEACHED/RICED" or other superficial reasons because their brain is so porn and politics fried, but even if they recognize that they will blame that on DA JOOZ for secretly pushing them into this way of thinking and not themselves.

3. If they think you need a section, get the fucking section. Yes, it's a big hole that takes six weeks to heal. You and you child will be alive.
I remember a story from my country, where a mother basically begged the hospital she was in to perform a C-section on her after learning that her child might die through natural birth because it's umbilical cord was slowly getting tied around the baby's neck.

The doctor in charge denied all requests and went "No akshually you'll be fine, we'll go with regular childbirth : )", only for the child to die from asphyxiation because the umbilical cord tied to its neck and also almost end up getting the mother killed through the process. The same doctor also almost killed the mother again by stitching the womb with another organ close to it. If I remember correctly, the doctor got discharged and the woman now has to suffer with health issues for the rest of her life.

So yeah, if any doctor tries to dissuade from trusting your gut feeling and giving up on C-section, the best option to do is to basically raise hell until you get another doctor that will let you have a C-section. It doesn't matter if you didn't give birth to the child "properly", what matters is that you and your child are safe and alive.
 
Edit; Why do Nordic babies have big skulls
I don’t know. The whole Germanic Nordic arc is big built though. Swedish and Norwegian men are all massive and the women are built like amazons. I’m a Brit and built like a pixie and it always amuses me when I’m in that bit of the world, I feel like a different species of human.
Don't let the doctors convince you to do a planned induction. I don't know if you are in the US but they love to do that in the US because it fits their schedule better if they can plan it when it's convenient for them
Heck yes. An induction is pretty brutal. It should only ever be done for absolute medical need, not timetabling. Being induced before you’re properly overdue, and don’t have a reason to (and there are valid reasons to) is one of the big causes of the intervention cascade.
Maybe we should make a general thread for this stuff, lol.
Yeah that would be good I think.
So yeah, if any doctor tries to dissuade from trusting your gut feeling and giving up on C-section, the best option to do is to basically raise hell until you get another doctor that will let you have a C-section. It doesn't matter if you didn't give birth to the child "properly", what matters is that you and your child are safe and alive.
Agree with this too. Sections are life savers when they’re needed. I wouldn’t want one unless I needed one but when you need one you need it. Trust your gut. Now and when you have the baby and you’re taking it for checkups and if they’re unwell. Always trust your gut.
The ‘properly’ stuff is infuriating. You’re alive, kid is alive. Bingo, you win. Millions of women through history didn’t and would have if we’d had obstetric care.
What you’ll notice, @Not a bee is that you will see a very specific type of insanity and queen-bee ism in parenting groups.
Dont let anyone near you with forceps. Put that in your notes. No forceps.
On a brighter note - MOST first births are Ok. The most common outcome is a healthy baby and a few grazes or small tears. Be optimistic, but don’t beat yourself up if it doesn’t all go to plan. The only goal is you and the baby intact at the end, and that happens for the majority. Being as mobile as you can and as upright as you can and having the midwife support the perineum and coach you when you push is a good thing.
 
This will probably sound an unpopular opinion, but in a some way I do feel sorry for white women that had children with somebody outside of their race, especially if the father of her child is a black man because if a nignog leaves the white woman with their child you get bunch of smug retards going "I told you so" and basically telling her she's a race traitor, but if a white woman manages to work out and have a successful marriage with black man or any person outside her race you'll get the same people calling her a race traitor because even if the marriage is trad and proper in every sense, it means nothing to them because she didn't settle down with a white man.
Regular people aren't going around screaming about mudsharks and race traitors too much anymore, and I don't think too many mothers are /pol/ regulars.
 
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