DMZ ♀ Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

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This thread is a DMZ (De-Moidified Zone) and is strictly for women. Men and trannies (men) shitting up the thread will be removed from the entire Lolcow Salon for a month.
I think moids' opinions on abortion need to be dismissed outright and not even dignified with an acknowledgement. We already know they simply hate women as anti abortion is just one in a long list of hateful misogynistic opinions they carry. It's a refrain of the right, it's a refrain of misogynists who cry about wahmen all day, it's not necessary to look any further for logical arguments because they're not being logical. They're being hemotional twats. Moids are not part of the conversation, end of.
 
Men don't get it. They don't think further than 'muh unborn child'. Nevermind that this kid ought to have been given plan B the moment she was raped (and why wasn't she? was she too scared to tell? This implies family member or trusted family friend to me) but when the 'abortion' is performed the "unborn child" doesn't even have a brain. The brain, heart, limbs, everything are grown slowly over time using the energy and nutrients of the mother's body. The child COMES INTO BEING over nine months, it wasn't there being a fully formed person at the moment of conception.
Nature aborts so many zygotes, fetuses, and even babies all on its own. We are lucky to live in a time where most babies survive. Before modern medicine, they’d have lots of kids because it was quite common for them to die young. That’s why I really don’t understand why everyone is so concerned about a zygote. It isn’t a child. It is the possibility of a child in the future, but it can still die. It can die months from conception, it can die during childbirth, it can be born still born, it can die of complications as an infant, it can die as a toddler due to an accident.

The thing I hate most about pro lifers is how little they give a shit about the child’s quality of life once it’s born. Grows up in a crack house? Who cares. Grows up starving because of poverty? Who gives a shit. Grows up being molested? Not our problem. As long as it wasn’t aborted, it’s all good. I’d rather be aborted and not exist than grow up in any of those scenarios.

Men aren’t owed our wombs or our labor during childbirth. If they cared about “muh unborn child” they should have gotten a vasectomy to prevent it from existing or wrapped up their dick. Fuck them.
 
Nature aborts so many zygotes, fetuses, and even babies all on its own. We are lucky to live in a time where most babies survive. Before modern medicine, they’d have lots of kids because it was quite common for them to die young. That’s why I really don’t understand why everyone is so concerned about a zygote. It isn’t a child. It is the possibility of a child in the future, but it can still die. It can die months from conception, it can die during childbirth, it can be born still born, it can die of complications as an infant, it can die as a toddler due to an accident.

Here are two things I learned in college:

From History class: Many ancient societies did not give much of a shit about babies or little kids. This is because they died so often that it was a waste of emotional effort to get attached to something that will just die and break your heart. Ancient Gaulish fathers did not meet their kids until they were 5 and had a much better chance of actually living (yes, this is so daddy doesn't have to feel sad, fuck ancient Gaulish mommy who just has to suffer I guess). The idea of caring about an UNBORN child would have been ludicrous, the most luxurious, first world, semi-mystical chicken-counting before hatched nonsense you'd ever heard in your life.

From Biology class: Evolution happens because most things die before they reproduce. Not just some of them. Like, almost all of them. That's how your whole species can become a different color like the moths they always use as an example, not because species gradually trend towards having more of one type than the other, because almost all one color of moth straight up gets fucking eaten, and it happens fast. In every litter, clutch, and squirty-egg-fog MOST of them will die before passing on any genes. Living is the exception, not the rule.

It honestly blows my mind that someone can be like "sperm plus egg = HUMAN BEING" because there are so many ifs involved. IF a man releases sperm and IF it successfully meets an egg and IF that zygote successfully implants and IF it continues to develop without spontaneously aborting because it's damaged or a mutant and IF it doesn't become poisoned and IF it continues to hang in there and IF it develops without abnormalities for 9 months and IF it survives the birthing process and IF it is compatible with life there MIGHT be a newborn baby. But fuck it, let's just pretend that when a sperm meets an egg there is a sacred human life in there that deserves the same rights as a living, breathing person (also something I vaguely learned from college: in some parts of Judaism it is sacrilegious to claim an embryo is a person because people are made in the image of God and God is not a squishy tissue blob, thankyouverymuch).
 
Teen pregnancies are more likely to result in complication than having kids in your 20s.
Also your prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed until you’re in your mid 20s and teenagers are basically retarded. This makes their kids more likely to be retarded too:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10002018/
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The idea that childbirth would be hunky dory for teenage girls if society gave them money is moronic. Even in medieval times most working class people would get married in their 20s.


Anyone who has ever traced their family history will know that late teenage marriages were common before the mid 20th century. Nobody argues that teenagers will try to have sex with each other, and prior to reliable contraception in the 1960’s, this necessarily involved marriage and children.

Your brain continues to change throughout your life. Statistically, the healthiest age to bear children is 22, and fertility starts to very slightly decline at 25, making the tiny difference in brain maturity irrelevant. Also motherhood changes the brain so dramatically it’s compared to the changes in puberty.

This constant guff about the brain not being mature until 25 is just propaganda to support the modern middle class extended adolescence lifestyle (and to excuse younger criminals). Which is all well and good, but it’s not natural.

You can’t ignore the fact that at 30+ and especially 35+ outcomes for mothers and their babies decline significantly - if you’re going to use such statistics to decide the correct age for motherhood. By your logic, the only sensible time for women to bear children is a little window between 25-29.

Currently, it’s the reckless or disadvantaged types who are somewhat more likely to have children very young, and tend to make other bad or uneducated decisions about their health (poor diet etc) that influence these outcomes, rather than it being inevitable biology.

Reducing this discussion to “throwing money at teenage girls” is what is moronic, nobody said that.

The point I was making is that the whole of society is set up to make motherhood socially and economically life-destroying, and to dismiss women’s health. This affects mothers at absolutely every age.

The only solution given to aspiring mothers is to avoid these inevitable consequences for as long as possible by delaying motherhood until the last moment - and feminists just unthinkingly support this as a good thing.
 
Also casual reminder that Jeff Durbin believes that women who have abortions in any scenario should be given the death penalty. He is not "pro-life" he is pro-birth. And he and his supporters couldn't give less of a shit what happens to these unwanted children afterwards.
That is what these people admit to when pushed enough. They always say they never want to see the woman charged, just the doctor, but if they view abortion as worse than slavery or murder, that is the punishment once must get. Hell there are men here who admit that.
Teen pregnancies are more likely to result in complication than having kids in your 20s.
Also your prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed until you’re in your mid 20s and teenagers are basically retarded. This makes their kids more likely to be retarded too:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10002018/
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The idea that childbirth would be hunky dory for teenage girls if society gave them money is moronic. Even in medieval times most working class people would get married in their 20s.
Since these people claim to love the Bell Curve, teen pregnancy leads to lower IQ scores in offspring, too.
 
Ancient Gaulish fathers did not meet their kids until they were 5 and had a much better chance of actually living
Wasn't this more like an unintended result of some of them fucking off to a war or on a ship and returning years later, and based on rare texts that were found? I mean, if one lives in the same village and same house with some woman and she has a kid, it's quite impossible to not see it for 5 years.
Since there is some misconception, that an average Roman = either a noble or a military man, I wouldn't be surprised if the survivorship bias applied to the other people too.
 
So much bullshit about when is the best time for a woman to become a mother. As if women need a decree from on high on when they can reproduce.

Maybe just leave women the fuck alone and let them make the decision about what to do with their body, and when.

Men are faggots for thinking they can instruct women on when they should have children, and how they're responsible for any complications if they don't follow the "rules".
Let's not add to that by creating our own retarded, intrusive, completely insulting rules.

Women's bodies know best. Let them be.
 
Once again, my hypothesis that only degenerate rapists and other sex pests get mad at the existence of a sex offender registry is .....
As we all know, moid moid moid.
I do absolutely agree though, there should be levels and we should be advised of who is on which level.

It would be useful to know:
*Men who assaulted girlfriends/adult women
*men who try to fuck teens
*men who molest barely pubescent 12 year olds
*men who molest elementary school children
*men who will rape a fucking BABY who can't even communicate that they've been raped

I'll give men a slight concession: they're mostly likely to stick within their wheelhouse of perversion, although never completely trustworthy.
 
Well, moids admitting their 'PrEfErEnCeS' have jackshit to do with biology and evolution:
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Teen pregnancies are normal and natural from mid-late teens, as long as they are physically fully mature.

It’s society that makes (post-puberty) teen pregnancies difficult, not biology.

It’s not normal or natural that motherhood should be life-ruining and cripplingly expensive.
Uh, no they're not.

In nature, especially among the mammal variety, first time mothers almost always lose their first couple of offspring due to a lack of experience with raising them. This is why most male animals of the same species will always be more drawn towards females with offspring; they're naturally more inclined to find the mothers best suited to continue their genes.

Young motherhood is associated with higher levels of infanticide, parental neglect and abandonment in nature. An inexperienced mother bear will, for example, often accidentally kill her own cubs in the den.

Lets not even get started on the mammals with far higher intellect. Orcas will typically not become mothers until their early twenties, and only having calves younger if their population has been significantly depleted. And even then, their calves still have a high mortality rate. Elephants will not usually breed until well into adulthood, and spend early adulthood helping older females raise calves. Wolves and coyotes also spend similar early adulthood helping out their mothers with cubs.

I could list many, many more examples which immediately makes your point moot just from nature itself. If all of humanity were to return to living in archaic hunter-gatherer societies, teen pregnancies would still be rare because surviving into adulthood is the name of the game, Moids died a lot younger than women back then from engaging in tribal warfare or hunting accidents.

Teenage pregnancies did happen once in a while, but it came it fatal results. Why is that, you may ask? The vast majority of skeletal remains of archaic infants were often found with 13-19 year old girls. The suspected mothers in question had injuries that were consistent with birth complications (such as a too narrow of a birth canal, infant’s head being too big to be delivered, etc). Due to archeological evidence, its safe to assume that getting pregnant that young back then was a death sentence.

Its safe to assume that archaic humans also figured out that young pregnancies weren't good for survival. A good portion of skeletal remains of women were in their 40s to 60s at death, after all compared to the average moid rarely reaching their 40s.

In other words, just because you can technically do something it doesn't mean you should.

Another thing worth noting is that over a hundred years ago, most girls didn't start menstruation until they were 16-19 years old. Interesting how that works.

Pedophiles often misrepresent nature and biology to justify their fetishes for minors, because most people don't know jack shit about either nature or history. Nor do they care, they just want to convince everyone around them that their attraction to minors is normal.
 
Anyone who has ever traced their family history will know that late teenage marriages were common before the mid 20th century.
We literally have marriage records from Medieval England and Italy showing that the average marriage was early 20's for both men and women. It was the exclusive, wealthy classes that preferred fucking little girls. Game of Thrones is not a history book. Take your porn fanfiction back to your gooncave.
 
I do not enjoy talking about girl lolcows or internet people with men.

Brittany Venti and shoeonhead are subjects i would otherwise be very interested in keeping tabs on, (Less of the former because she doesn't do jackshit these days) but the discussions around them are so fucking autistic because of men. Shoe curates her twitter section by blocking everyone, but look at anything Venti related on twitter and the anime avatars come in swaths.
A lot of men who hate these women sound like butthurt former fans that turned on them when they started saying things they didn't like. And the amount of chimping out if you dare to claim you find any of them are pretty is just unwell.

Same with Anisa Jomha, although she has a lot more that could be criticized for imo, but if the criticisms are laced with people still tarding out over her taking their precious idubbbz away, I mentally check out. Men are just in constant pursuit of a e-daddy to make excuses for. It only enables those two to malign their critics as incel freaks.
 
I hate how it seems common that when men hear that a woman has an unhealthy, estranged relationship with her father they automatically think it’s a “red flag” (like when it comes to dating and relationships) and she’s got daddy issues and probably BPD and you probably need to stay away from her cause she’s most likely “cRaZy!”.

Like why is the woman automatically put to blame in this? Most of those types of relationships are because of a shitty ass father, the parent themselves. The woman could have very likely been abused or neglected by him and suffered a lot of trauma as a result, but yet it’s her fault that her father treated her the way he did and so she doesn’t deserve a loving relationship because of it?? Yeesh, sounds like a big fucking load of victim blaming to me, but then again most men don’t have empathy nor the capacity to understand the complexities, nuances, or deeper aspects of something so.
 
A woman who was gang-raped and her younger sister, who suffered from guilt, both took their own lives. Later, their mother was sued by the rapists and is now required to compensate them financially.

In 2004, a woman worked as a film extra. While working, she was raped by four men and sexually harassed by eight others. Afterward, she began exhibiting strange behaviors at home, such as mumbling to herself or breaking objects. Her family took her to the hospital, where they discovered that she had been raped by multiple men. She received treatment at the hospital and filed charges against the perpetrators. However, the men threatened her, saying things like, “I will burn down your house” and “I will kill your entire family.” Out of fear, she withdrew her charges. On August 18, 2009, she jumped from the 18th floor of an apartment building and died by suicide. In her suicide note, she wrote, “I was a sex toy for those men” and “I have no reason to live anymore.” Six days after her suicide, her younger sister also took her own life. She felt guilty because she had recommended the job to her older sister. After losing both daughters to suicide, their father suffered a stroke due to shock and passed away. The mother grieved deeply over the suicides of her daughters and the death of her husband. She was also enraged that none of the men who had raped her daughter faced any punishment. In 2014, she filed a civil lawsuit against the twelve men who committed sexual crimes against her daughter. However, because three years had passed since the crimes occurred, she lost all of the lawsuits. As a result, the perpetrators faced no consequences. Instead, they sued the mother for holding solo protests with placards that read “Rapist! Murderer!” (In South Korea, there is a law called “Defamation by Fact,” which allows individuals to sue for defamation even if the statements made are true.) Several of the perpetrators filed lawsuits against her and won. Since they won all three trials, she is now required to pay them compensation ranging from 3 million to 5 million KRW per person. Other perpetrators also filed lawsuits against her. In one trial, the court ruled that she must pay them 10 million KRW in damages and refrain from posting anything about them online in the future. If she violates this ruling and posts about them online again, she will have to pay them an additional 1 million KRW per post (this ruling is not yet finalized; if she appeals, a second trial will take place).

https://naver.me/GtUFtYtO

this is the feminist utopia men are afraid of.
 
https://x.com/zip99900/status/1906308501405835448 this is the feminist utopia men are afraid of.
I didn't even have to get to the second half of the quote before I was able to identify the country it took place in (Incel Wakanda).

Being a scrote in the matriarchal hellscape of South Korea is truly hard. The worst forms of oppression you face for being a man are priority seats for pregnant women on public transport, the pinching hand emoji, and not being able to sue your rape victim and her family fast enough after they exposed you as a rapist.
 
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