Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread - Gorl Tawk's very own DMZ (De-Moidified Zone)

[Spooky all year]

Spicy! OK, so you're in the EU but you absolutely misstate the legalities and realities of how politics happens. As I said, there's no EU country without political parties or where parties are illegal, yet you said they were in your country.

Nowhere did I say they were "illegal". I said they "do not exist for the law". Those are not the same things. In this country, political parties as an entity have no standing. You do not vote on a party. You vote on an individual person that takes the seat if they get elected. There are still political parties you can have joined and you will be on ballots for political parties.

And now *you* need to read, Missy. I said nothing of the sort, nor am I "angry." It is not "angry" to challenge.*

This was a general comment directed at others in this thread. I didn't name names specifically because it's not directed at you specifically.

individual people in a position to direct things, vs peon voters whose votes get swallowed in a pool.

I don't understand what you mean by this though; here people do a lot of stupid "strategic" voting and it never works out. It's either that, or peon/uninformed voting.

Toughen up, buttercup.

I'm fine on this front, thanks.

Educational institutions are absolutely an issue that needs to be scrutinized more. An enormous amount of educators are heavily left leaning and absolutely give young people a false impression on how the world works. Academia in general is fucked, there needs to be a more right-wing "Long march through the institutions" and by the looks of it, men won't be able to deliver that if you look at the enrollment quotes of high education.

Agreed! The last two ministers we had on education were men, and BOTH of them were fucking weak. They changed exactly nothing and let riots and other bullshit just happen because "well that's not up to us". The riots were ideological. The stuff politicians went to debate about was also about the ideological capture in unis and fucking nothing happened.

I am a dicknigger/pickme who knowingly clicked on the Man-Hate Thread, here is my misogynistic wall of text nobody asked for, please don't bully me with it.

Sure, you niggerfaggot. It's not like I've never talked smack about men in here. Imagine just being honest about who does what. If dudes don't fuck up for once we should also be able to say that.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Nowhere did I say they were "illegal". I said they "do not exist for the law". Those are not the same things.

"do not exist for the law" is not an English phrase. Neither is "do not exist by way of our laws," which is what you originally said.

In this country, political parties as an entity have no standing. You do not vote on a party. You vote on an individual person that takes the seat if they get elected.

That is the same as in the US. You can vote for whomever you please down the ballot. So I guess I'm not understanding your point bc the way you described it, it sounded as though you thought that your way is different than most - is the rest of the EU required to vote for parties, not people? And assuming not, are party affiliations listed next to the names? And what do you think the impact of voting for individuals vs parties is, in the sense of leading to bad outcomes?

This was a general comment directed at others in this thread. I didn't name names specifically because it's not directed at you specifically.

Fair enough.

I don't understand what you mean by this though; here people do a lot of stupid "strategic" voting and it never works out. It's either that, or peon/uninformed voting.

I was referring back to your critical comment about @crazedaze noting that many/ most of those driving the economy via being CEOs of significant corporations, or of political parties, which DO have power, regardless of ballots having individuals listed rather than parties, are men. And my point was simply that power is power. One person with real and directive power has more ability to impact the world than any individual just casting a vote. So bitching about the female half of the idiot voter population more than the [insert gender here] people with actual power and influence seems misplaced. Curious: if all the men in your country voted for a party that is not the party all your idiot women are voting for, would the result be different?

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

And in general:

Imagine women actually accepting other women having shitty political takes and accepting they're the reason something's not going well.

Imagine women as a group becoming the scapegoats for all manner of social ills enacted by men (rapist migrants are also MEN, btw), and some other women going along with that because they think right wing men will appreciate their cooperation instead of using it against them. Unprecedented in human history. Certainly we have no idea where this will lead.

Like if men fuck up we get to shit on them easily, but if women do, we don't? That's fucking fake and gay. Crazedaze had the point that men are the reason for the shitty economy; I don't think they are because if we didn't have retarded prog parties in power mainly, here in soyjak Europe, we'd be better off. The voting is a women issue, and you can agree with that or not. But the angry reee no it can't be women is fucking stupid.

You still haven't convincingly made the case that women voting alone destroyed Europe's economy and caused them to get raped. And honestly, really? You expected us to agree with you? I don't even know any men in real life who would say something this blatantly misogynistic and expect me to agree with them. You can't just blame all the political inconveniences your side faces on the 50% of the population who have vaginas and expect that to go in your favor.

I get that you voted left one time and now you feel the need to atone. But I haven't, and I'm not carrying some guilt about my past choices that's causing me to let people walk all over me. I don't even 100% agree that men are solely to blame for the economy and birth rate (crazedaze has some good points; I just think all issues are more complex than one group being retarded). But it's embarrassing as a woman to be like "Oh it's women's fault, they're all silly and emotional. Unlike me, I'm rational like a man, which is why I vote like one." Sis, they don't see you any differently. They'll make you pay not just for your sins, but for theirs as well if you agree to this narrative.

 

[Spooky all year]

"do not exist for the law" is not an English phrase. Neither is "do not exist by way of our laws," which is what you originally said.

Oh no, you caught me saying something a not-native English speaker would say. After I said I was a Eurofag and didn't specify my country. Gasp.

is the rest of the EU required to vote for parties, not people?

From what I know, the countries bordering mine have different rules regarding political parties and voting. I don't know the specifics though. There are likely rules about party membership and whatnot.

So bitching about the female half of the idiot voter population more than the [insert gender here] people with actual power and influence seems misplaced.

Sure, except this is bullshit; you can get into a political seat by winning the popular vote if you get enough votes, which means women can be voted in over men. And within parties, there are rules of conduct that ensure one guy doesn't just fuck off with said power. On top of that; party membership can actually matter here considering parties here generally do congresses once or twice a year where members can vote ons hit within their party, including on deposing who leads the party and who should replace them. So it's not the same as the US and the CEO comparison is stupid imho. But if you want to keep rolling with it, go right ahead.

rapist migrants are also MEN, btw),

No shit, Sherlock.

some other women going along with that because they think right wing men will appreciate their cooperation

I don't give a fuck about what right-wing / left-wing / whatever men think. I'm just saying that if men fuck up it should be pointed out. If women fuck up the same rules should apply.

Imagine women as a group becoming the scapegoats for all manner of social ills enacted by men

Like 'believe all women' never got dudes innocently fucked over. This shit is bullshit in both directions. Men aren't a scapegoat for everything as a group and neither are women.

women voting alone destroyed Europe's economy and caused them to get raped.

Retarded take. I never said that's the reason they get raped. But hey, go right ahead and put words in my mouth.

You can't just blame all the political inconveniences your side faces on the 50% of the population who have vaginas and expect that to go in your favor.

So you're just a liberal Karen that can't stand hearing that liberal voting is fucking over people, huh? You know, I hadn't expected that from how I've seen you post in other threads; I agree with you quite often. This tho. Lol. Lmao even.

Also, again, I too am a wamen. I have a fucking vagina. I've also worked close to politics and seen what that shit does here. But hey, whatever. Clearly you and I aren't going to agree on this. I wish everybody what they vote for though.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Did Null really just come in here to retard rage about politics??? What tf happened this time for him to get this pissy? Did he send a card to Chantal after salah "left"?

Seriously tho, most of you women are based. Obviously, men have no meaningful arguments, so the "libtard" insult might as well be a closing statement. Like fuck, dude, go back to your hug box in the pol thread and let the women talk about shit that matters. No one needs your gay ass sperging about male issues you have no interest in actually fixing or challenging in any meaningful way. Go cry to your Discord group about how all women are mean whores who won't fuck you for free.

People actually have shit to do than baby your gay ass.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Educational institutions are absolutely an issue that needs to be scrutinized more. An enormous amount of educators are heavily left leaning and absolutely give young people a false impression on how the world works. Academia in general is fucked, there needs to be a more right-wing "Long march through the institutions" and by the looks of it, men won't be able to deliver that if you look at the enrollment quotes of high education.

There's a book about this called The Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukanioff. As the title suggests, it's about American universities, but some of what it criticizes is broadly applicable to the US, Canada, and Europe.

So you're just a liberal Karen that can't stand hearing that liberal voting is fucking over people, huh? You know, I hadn't expected that from how I've seen you post in other threads; I agree with you quite often. This tho. Lol. Lmao even

Good guess, but if you pay close attention, you'll notice I hate both sides equally. I usually vote for the lesser of two evils, which at this point in history has tended to be the side that knows what a woman is. I guess I'm the first such person you've met who also happens to have a spine. That's a bit sad.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Good guess, but if you pay close attention, you'll notice I hate both sides equally. I usually vote for the lesser of two evils, which at this point in history has tended to be the side that knows what a woman is. I guess I'm the first such person you've met who also happens to have a spine. That's a bit sad.

Careful, girl. You know that our kind should not be revealed to the common world.
If they were to know of our existence, they would double down harder than a gay politician getting caught smoking crack with a male escort.

Spoiler

After years, I no longer can take any of this faggot's shit seriously.

 

[Spooky all year]

Good guess, but if you pay close attention, you'll notice I hate both sides equally. I usually vote for the lesser of two evils, which at this point in history has tended to be the side that knows what a woman is. I guess I'm the first such person you've met who also happens to have a spine. That's a bit sad.

Actually, that would be myself, not you. Like I told Crazedaze before; I've been doing shit for women's rights where I'm at. And there are next to no people with a spine. on it. I'm also not right OR left wing by your metrics. And I don't give a flying fuck about dudes on here having whatever opinion on me. But hey, again, go right ahead in making more assumptions there then though.

And I've had the Haidt book on a to read list, but I wasn't sure it was worth it; all those dudes tell the same stories anyway and it's not like the discourse on this topic has changed that dramatically much in recent years, except that shit has gotten more ridiculous here. So, if you've read it; is it worth reading?

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Actually, that would be myself, not you. Like I told Crazedaze before; I've been doing shit for women's rights where I'm at. And there are next to no people with a spine. on it. I'm also not right OR left wing by your metrics. And I don't give a flying fuck about dudes on here having whatever opinion on me. But hey, again, go right ahead in making more assumptions there then though.

It's not men here, but men in general. If you give them enough rope, they'll hang you with it. I'm tired of it and I'm not going along with it any more. That's all.

We've both made assumptions that were probably unfair at points, but that's the nature of these things.

And I've had the Haidt book on a to read list, but I wasn't sure it was worth it; all those dudes tell the same stories anyway and it's not like the discourse on this topic has changed that dramatically much in recent years, except that shit has gotten more ridiculous here. So, if you've read it; is it worth reading?

Yes, it's very interesting. They analyze extremism on college campuses though the lens of cognitive distortions (or "great untruths"), and explain why it's not just damaging to society, but to the individuals who accept these distortions. It doesn't just change how you vote; it weakens your ability to handle adversity and primes you to view challenges to your worldview as existential threats. It explains why so many of these people are depressed and anxious on top of being hard to reason with.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Actually, that would be myself, not you. Like I told Crazedaze before; I've been doing shit for women's rights where I'm at. And there are next to no people with a spine. on it. I'm also not right OR left wing by your metrics. And I don't give a flying fuck about dudes on here having whatever opinion on me. But hey, again, go right ahead in making more assumptions there then though.

Pardon me. Shit stirrer interjecting for a moment.

Let me get this straight: you're pretty much just having a slap fight to have a slap fight because her opinion isn't copy-and-paste?

You're making broad assumptions about her and her beliefs, but shit the bed when it's your turn. But you don't care, right? You made a point to say that you're the one with a real spine, but outside opinions don't matter, right? Yet you made a show of telling us that you're "actively standing" for women's rights, but being a man about it all the way through. So when a woman actually challenges you, you go straight to insults. BUT you have an independent stance on politics. Yet, I'm reading a lot of pol talking points, but not any actually individually thought-out opinions on your own end.

Idk, man. I'm getting a lot of male entitlement from you. For someone who "fights" for women's rights, you sure don't do a whole lot of listening when other women have things to say.

I thought independents were supposed to be more willing to engage with others' political opinions and stances? But if it sounds a little too feminist, it must be automatically liberal, huh? Idk, man, you're sounding a little, how do I say this, wannabe diet MAGA to me.

Edit: whoopsy, instigated too soon.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

you live in a fabricated reality. if you cannot accept the fact that more workers accepting less money = lower wages for everyone (a well-documented phenomena known as "saturation"), there is no purpose in discussing anything.

Mostly I agree with what you're saying, although I think @crazedaze has a nugget of a point. My biggest criticism of the right remains that no one learned a single damn thing from the Gilded Age and will still suck big corpo dick when they would slit your throat and destroy this country to save half a cent. But mostly I just want to say (belatedly):

BEGONE PENISNIGGER

 

[Spooky all year]

It's not men here, but men in general. If you give them enough rope, they'll hang you with it. I'm tired of it and I'm not going along with it any more. That's all.

I'd say it depends on the man. I've known some absolutely excellent men. I've also known enough absolute assholes. Personally I've stopped taking shit from men and women both, since women also love dogpiling for no good reason when someone gets butthurt. It's like since the coof it's become more acceptable to be an asshole in general or something and I don't like it.

Yes, it's very interesting. They analyze extremism on college campuses though the lens of cognitive distortions (or "great untruths"), and explain why it's not just damaging to society, but to the individuals who accept these distortions. It doesn't just change how you vote; it weakens your ability to handle adversity and primes you to view challenges to your worldview as existential threats. It explains why so many of these people are depressed and anxious on top of being hard to reason with.

Oh nice. Guess I'll actually have to read it then. Does he reason in both directions for this? (By which I mean, does he discuss both sides of the political aisle). I can definitely imagine how people become more depressed and anxious by getting dragged in either direction.

 

[Brandy [◉'']]

My biggest criticism of the right remains that no one learned a single damn thing from the Gilded Age and will still stuck big corpo dick when they would slit your throat and destroy this country to save half a cent.

Agreed. The reason for that is fairly easy: No one in politics, journalism or the new wave content creation™ media on Xitter or Youtube has ever worked a real corporate, trade job or service job. These people simply have no concept of how soul crushing that kind of work has become in the past decade, how productivity has been increased by 5 times or more depending on your field while wages stagnate. And worse the way we work got so, so much worse. 5 times more productivity means you have 5 times less time to breath. Back in the day when a customer wanted a quote, you had to manually write it, review it and then fax it to them. Going even further back you send it per mail. It was a slow process and it left you time to breath because no one expects instant gratification. These days you have 0 breathing space, Teams/Slack is constantly ringing, your eMails are never fully done, you barely have time to work on each task. No wonder people are so exhausted after work that making a family isn't even on their mind, even before checking if your finances would allow it. Heck, I know a lot of coworker who really can't be bothered to look at the dating market after work because everything just sucks your energy out. And it will continue to deteriorate because the boomers are retiring, meaning the few of us left have to be more productive or else.

Meanwhile fucking boomer had a reasonable expectation of work and what they were supposed to do, along with a wage that was allowing them to keep, if not improve their standing. People had HOPE, something my generation simply isn't capable of perceiving any more because we are too busy working to barely stabilize out life.

And then some fucking moid on the internet who never worked in such an environment whose job it is to read articles on the internet and pay someone to make youtube shorts lectures you on how women are to root of all evil, MUH BIRTHRATES and all that crap.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Idk, man. I'm getting a lot of male entitlement from you.

Tbh I wouldn't put her behavior up there with men, especially /pol/ users. She hasn't called me a stupid cunt or made any rape threats. Maybe we got a bit heated for a second there, but it's all good.

I'd say it depends on the man. I've known some absolutely excellent men. I've also known enough absolute assholes. Personally I've stopped taking shit from men and women both, since women also love dogpiling for no good reason when someone gets butthurt. It's like since the coof it's become more acceptable to be an asshole in general or something and I don't like it.

Yeah, I'm talking about them as a group in a right/left political context, not individuals. This isn't the thread for my #notallmen dissertation, though.

Oh nice. Guess I'll actually have to read it then. Does he reason in both directions for this? (By which I mean, does he discuss both sides of the political aisle). I can definitely imagine how people become more depressed and anxious by getting dragged in either direction.

Yes, they do try to talk about both sides, but they end up talking about the left more because the focus of the book is campus culture. They aren't specifically targeting the left, though. It's just easier to find examples of them doing what the book criticizes.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Maybe we got a bit heated for a second there, but it's all good.

I figured. That's why I backed off immediately. I'm an asshole, but not a completely unprovoked instigator
Either way, I apologize to both of you. It wasn't my place to interject in a clearly controlled situation

Nonetheless, this isn't pol/ and we aren't men, we should be able to have conversations without name-calling and shit. You're clearly both capable of doing so when you aren't at an impasse. And I should have recognized that well before shit got rough for a minute, and that's on me.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Nonetheless, this isn't pol/ and we aren't men, we should be able to have conversations without name-calling and shit.

Yeah, I really dislike that part of site culture that's like "we call each other faggots and then we make up." Like that's how male bonding works, sure, but I don't think female relationships are enhanced by insulting each other. We should be able to handle our disagreements better.

 

[Dr. Butt]

should we sterilize the poor? would you cosign my effort to deploy a virus that affects people with sickle-cell anemia and causes infertility?

I think a lot of young men right now use "muh birth rate" because they don't want to admit that "if women think having babies is mandatory and their top priority in life, then one of them is more likely to settle fo me".
Also why did you come into the thread for racist women and ask if they like your idea for a Black plague? That's upvote farming.

ETA - I bet the mucho autismo Dutchman shitting up the thread is fat and shaped like Chris-Chan and has a nigh-unintelligible accent when he tries to speak English instead of just typing it on Discord all day.

 

[Inside your walls]

Can I just say it's very ironic to see the "Women ruined the western world because they voted with their emotions and for the vibes" rhetoric being so ramptant when most of haggot men largely voted in the 2024 US Elections based on feelings of being supposedly excluded from the American society and that blackies or some other minority having way more advantages than them even though society still is largely male default to almost everything, and because they're so obsessed bringing back "the vibes"? Along with how the White House on social media exactly posts content based on these "vibes" men like which can be bestly described as a Frankesteinian lovechild of 1950s machoism where men get to have the benefits of being the single provider and having a chaste Stepford housewife that they never bond with but just use, combined with video games, blatant sexualization and crude edginess of 2000s that would allow them to also act like an obnoxious fratbro with no repercussions?

How is White House posting Halo imagery, a video game popular among these types because they're forever stuck at being 15-20, or little cornball Little Dark Age with all the moidslop imagery they like no different if they would post let's say some TikTok edit of Sex and The City clip in some another scenario if the White House was ran by shitlibs?

And given how currently USA is doing, well you could say that men's choice to prioritize their feelings and vibes was clearly a dogshit one. Sure, DEI that supposedly took white men's jobs is dead but these men are still not working because the "conservatives" they choose to trust fully decided to just import Pajeets instead, the gas prices are balls to the walls, they can't have any decent healthcare without pilling up a 10k bill if they go to a hospital now, but at least these men who are still traumatized by their femoid teacher not putting up with their bullshit, triggered the fat dangerhair or those dancing girls going "Gen Z and a mini" on TikTok who were ingrained in their mind, and the official government accounts on Twitter reaffirm their gender and give them euphoria by saying "TRANS RIGHTS!" - I mean whatever the equivalent is for these men, which probably would be also "TRANS RIGHTS!"

Anger and resentment are still feelings, but men are pretending they aren't as they write melodramatic gay posts riddled with pretentious faux-aristocratic flowery language about how if they were allowed to still play their bing bing wahoos and act like sociopathic chimps towards women, none of this would had happened. But yet, once this mess is over with, we're not going to get posts going about how men should be put in coal mines and not allowed to vote because they don't know what's best for them, the same way we see that for women.

 

[drammamean]

Yeah, I really dislike that part of site culture that's like "we call each other faggots and then we make up." Like that's how male bonding works, sure, but I don't think female relationships are enhanced by insulting each other. We should be able to handle our disagreements better.

Males do not bond by fighting and then making up what is wrong with you.

Men bond with each other largely through shared activities. Women bond with each other largely by talking. Men and women bond romantically largely by having sex.

You are welcome.

 

[Tutu]

Men and women bond romantically largely by having sex.

Men? Bonding by having sex? Prostitutes must be the most loved people in the world, I guess.