Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate & Woman-Hate Thread-Hate Thread

[Johnny Salami]

statisticks

women hate those. Especially ugly women. Ugly women are as useful as a Rabbi with shaky hands performing a circumcision

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

women hate those. Especially ugly women. Ugly women are as useful as a Rabbi with shaky hands performing a circumcision

you ok bud?

 

[Johnny Salami]

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you ok bud?

It's shoulder say. of course I'm okay

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

It's shoulder say. of course I'm okay

then why you spam my notifications with terrible ugly jokes?

 

[Johnny Salami]

then why you spam my notifications with terrible ugly jokes?

cause you ugly

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

cause you ugly

I know that I have been ugly for 30+ years . So what made you again to spam my notificatuins with really shitty you ugly jokes?

 

[Kikemaster]

Just wanted to say I am disappointed in @Lidl Drip for expressing the following:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/official-kiwifarms-man-hate-thread.169351/post-16744262

It was very entertaining for me to read that thread and be totally immersed in the topic without a "fourth wall break".
Great thread otherwise. I'll followup with this thread afterwards.

EDIT:
Don't know if that makes me retarded, but I take every time someone on here says "I'm gonna rape you" or "Get raped" - I think they must be joking and its the funniest shit ever. I imagine most on here that say that - couldn't even do it.
There probably are those who legit mean it, but the levels of seething you have to reach to threaten rape is making me chuckle irl.

 

[56 others]

This is my new favorite retard slap-fight thread on the farms

 

[profoundlyunfunnyshitpost]

Punch all women.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Oh, ok, my bad, I mistakenly thought you meant the comment to imply it's not so bad for women as men ("divorce rape"). I imputed things to your position that you did not say.

I didn't imply, I outright stated.

Oh. I thought you were simply suggesting that women would choose to stay if it were a bigger ding to divorce (so I countered by saying that women who divorce already suffer more than men). But on rereading, I now see you weren't commenting on women's supposed disproportionate benefit/minimal loss from divorce,

For one, women would divorce less if it was more loss than benefit. Your "proof" was citing a tiny silver of overall divorces as proof of divorce being ruinous. I clearly pointed out why that isn't the case. And provided the criteria by which you could provide evidence that divorce is ruinous for women. Hell I could expand it and ask you provide evidence for women born after 1980 and a loss of half of income & assets. However given what you used as evidence the first go around, I assume you can't find such data, because divorce isn't ruinous for most women.

but more or less arguing that women, only, should be literally ruined by divorce (regardless of instigator?)

Why should men be ruined for divorce when file the majority of them?

- and not by a mere 4x% decrease in household income, but full-scale devastation - regardless of income during marriage or reason for the parting. So when men can't keep a woman on their own merits, tptb should step in and "help" by punishing her, specifically, for having married a dick, bc as bad as he might be, it's better for her to suffer in a way that allows him to keep his statu...and that is what it would take to encourage men not to be gooners and redpillers?

"status" - Really says the type of idiot you are. Marriage in this day and age does not confer statues, say for those who live in deeply religious communities. Which is few of us. Women are the ones who insist upon marriage. Not men. Women are the ones who file for divorce the majority of the time. Not men. And 99% of the time the reason for divorce is without fault, as in "I'm not happy". The other poster asked how to get men to get into marriage for the sake of the next generation. I don't assume a man needs to be married to a woman to do that, he does. I stated what would limit divorce and give men a reason to return. I'm not asking for government intervention to punish women. I don't know where you got that notion, than again you are a feminist and think marriage confers status to men. I am asking for the government to stop enabling divorce to be a wealth transfer from the man (who is the majority earner and asset holder in most marriages) to the woman.

I don't know man, sounds...lopsided in some sort of vague way.

It's only lopsided for fools who think because a woman turned up and had a pulse, she has a right to an equal share. That might have been acceptable when women the weren't earners and men weren't doing domestic labor. However for the majority of modern marriages, even right-wing ones, that isn't the case. If it ever truly was.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

That might have been acceptable when women the weren't earners and men weren't doing domestic labor. However for the majority of modern marriages, even right-wing ones, that isn't the case.

This right here is the main issue with modern divorce and so many people don't want to look at it. The initial laws were made when women essentially could not work to earn income except in very specific fields. They were then revised slightly when women were legally granted the right to work anywhere but still earned essentially fuckall compared to men for various reasons up to and including: Lack of experience, discrimination, unequal pay, general job choice, and so on. Those are not the conditions today even if retarded activists wish they were so as to justify their existence.

Accounting for personal choice, women make equal pay to men within a few percentage points that are effectively error. They have preferential hiring for nearly all white-collar jobs and firing a woman is always harder than firing a man of the same race due to the extra potential for discrimination lawsuits. This isn't incel fantasy, it's corporate policy, you can find it in any HR department. There is no fucking reason a woman today shouldn't be able to support herself at least as well as a man. In nearly all marriages today both parents work as well, it's not like having a kid puts a decade-long work void on a resume anymore. For all intents and purposes, men and women stand on at least relatively equal ground in terms of income and earning potential.

Yet, the courts still very often rule as though it's 1975 and the woman is some poor little thing making $4/hr at the grocery store while her husband is at the factory popping brewskis with the boys and getting $40/hr. It's not ubiquitous anymore, I'm seeing more and more divorces where the woman doesn't get to fleece her partner because the judge actually has the brain to realize they make near-equal income, but it's still far too common, and that's even before factoring in how fault in divorce is dealt with.

Marriage is a contract that basically only penalizes one side if broken. I personally know a man who was cheated on by his wife, filed a divorce against her for it, listed the infidelity as the cause/fault, and STILL ended up paying alimony. Not child support, ALIMONY. To a woman who fucked around on him while he was out working to get money to pay for her lifestyle, because she refused to work even though she had a nursing degree. That's fucking ridiculous, and shit like it is why men don't want to marry anymore. I don't even have a problem with no-fault divorce, fault can be hard to prove or quantify and sometimes it's not really anybody's fault that a marriage fails, what I have a problem with is a man being victimized while the woman gets to take his shit and live it up regardless of who was right or wrong, if anyone.

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(Sperg rant below)
Does society want men to marry? Okay, here are some simple things they could do:

• No-fault divorce cannot result in alimony (child support is fine) and unless co-filed and necessarily favors the party who did not initiate when splitting shared assets (subject to that party's will, can be waived)
• Fault in a marriage automatically results in lesser entitlements to shared assets during rulings
• Any claims made in a divorce court about the conduct of the other party are subject to the same rules they would be in a defamation suit (i.e. you can't just claim the person was abusive with zero evidence to sway the ruling)
• Witholding sex excessively is fault (A dead bedroom is fault)
• Witholding resources excessively is fault (Hiding half a mil from your wife is fault)
• Neglect is fault (Being a cold fucking bitch/asshole is fault, it shouldn't need to meet the definition of "cruelty")
• Excessive and willful physical deterioration is fault (No you cannot gain 50+lbs from being a lazy fucking pig if your husband/wife is not okay with it)
• Excessive and willful misuse of shared finances is fault (No you cannot gamble the kids' college fund away or swipe the family card and rack up 5 figures of shopping debt because you're sad)
• Falsely representing yourself is fault (no more "teehee whoops actually I fucked 50 guys and made a porno before I knew you but it's too late now, you believed me when I said I only had 3 boyfriends", which also kills "Ah yeah I know I said I was a millionaire but actually I'm deep in debt and my car got repo'd 2 days before the wedding and I have a serious drug problem")
• Attempting to turn the children against the other party is fault

etc.
Notice how all of these things surround divorce and conduct in the marriage? Yeah, that's because these days that's all anyone fucking thinks about when it comes to marriage because abuse of the contract has become the norm. What men generally want is a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD and EQUAL RULES AND OUTCOMES FOR BOTH PARTIES. Yet, when they voice this, they're called misogynists, incels, and so on. I'd love to know how treating women as equals in a legal contract is misogynistic, or wanting to be able to be married without having a legal gun to my head makes me an incel. If anything, I'm pro-marriage and pro-relationships, it's the fucking government that wants to make them such a bad deal that no sane man would engage in them these days.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

However given what you used as evidence the first go around, I assume you can't find such data, because divorce isn't ruinous for most women.

Women are, as a whole group, worse off than men post-divorce.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5992251/

A study carried out by Richard Peterson (who, mind you, was debunking a prior study with a higher differential) showed that after divorce, women experience a 20% decline in income and standard of living as well as a 27% increase in the risk of poverty.

In comparison, men experience an average 30% increase in household income and standard of living.

On top of that, divorced women are at a much higher risk of losing homeownership and “falling down the housing ladder” than men.

Also:

According to various studies, the financial impact of a divorce is typically less severe for men compared to women. One report from the US Government Accountability Office found that men’s household income fell by just 23% after divorcing past the age of 50. Although this might seem like a relatively large number, the truth is that women suffer much more on average.

Other studies have come to even more interesting conclusions. According to a recent article, men actually become richer after getting divorced. One study published by the Institute for Social and Economic Research found that men “rise immediately and continuously” as the years go by after their divorce. They may suffer a dent to their wealth at the beginning, but as time goes by, they actually seem to benefit from no longer having a spouse.

This study also found that when a father leaves a childless marriage, his income immediately increases by 25%. Separated women are three times more likely to fall into poverty compared to separated men. However, it is worth pointing out that this information is based on UK data.

https://aacfl.org/impact-of-divorce-on-the-finances-of-men-women-and-children

Adding to that, women usually have the children > 50%, and

About 30% of parents who are owed child support payments get nothing, according to data from the Census Bureau.

One in five children in the US live in households that receive child support payments. In 2017[1], the 5.4 million parents who were owed child support payments received 62% of the amount they were supposed to get, on average.

The median amount received was $1,800 [$150/month], though 1.6 million, or 30% received no child support at all. About 46% of parents with child support agreements get all of what is owed to them.

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-child-support-do-parents-actually-receive/#:~:text=In%202017%2C%20the%205.4%20million,what%20is%20owed%20to%20them.

That doesn't even take into account that
at least as of 2019, even women in well-paying jobs still earned about 82 cents for every dollar compared to men in similar positions. In the long term, that pay gap means a woman will have to work 11 years longer than her ex to make up that difference.

Plus, when women take a break from the workforce to care for children, those years of reduced earning power could mean lower Social Security income and gaps in retirement contributions.

On top of that, the average life expectancy of a woman is longer than that of a man, so the lower amount of money/wealth has, on average, to last longer,

Hell I could expand it and ask you provide evidence for women born after 1980 and a loss of half of income & assets.

"After 1980". Who's playing with data now? How about you provide some evidence?

Why should men be ruined for divorce when file the majority of them?

Because their actions cause most of them. And here's how (recall women initiate more divorces than men):

Most people choose a no fault, divorce, citing irreconcilable differences. And, irreconcilable differences are indeed a common divorce cause, with 31% of couples who ended their marriages reporting that incompatibility was the reason.

However, while simply not getting along is a common reason for divorce, infidelity remains a bigger issue.

In total, 34% of marriages among survey respondents ended due to an affair. Adultery is one of the grounds for a fault divorcein court. However, even when an extramarital affair occurs, sometimes the couple pursues a no-fault divorce instead of a fault divorce because it’s simpler.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/common-causes-divorce/

Lack of Commitment Is the Most Common Reason for Divorce​

Marriage is not always easy, so success requires both spouses to be dedicated to their union and serious about making it last. That’s why it is not surprising that a lack of commitment could spell disaster for a couple.

In fact, 75% of individuals and couples cited lack of commitment as the reason for their divorce. This was the most common cause of a marriage ending, exceeding even infidelity.[15]

60% of Divorced Couples Cited Infidelity as a Reason for Their Divorce​

Infidelity is another leading cause of divorce, with 60% of couples citing a partner’s unfaithfulness as a reason their union ended. When a marriage is supposed to be monogamous, and one party fails to fulfill this obligation, trust can be lost, and the marriage may be irretrievably broken.

Domestic Abuse Prompts a Divorce in 24% of Cases​

Domestic abuse is a serious crime. It is also common among couples who are divorcing. Nearly a quarter of divorces—24% in total—cite domestic abuse as a cause of divorce.[15]

When a couple ends a marriage for this reason, the divorce process may look different. An uncontested divorce arranged through a mediator may not be the best approach, despite its benefits in ordinary situations, due to the difficulties of an abuse victim negotiating a settlement with an abusive partner.

The “Final Straw” Causing Divorce Is Most Commonly Infidelity, Domestic Violence or Substance Abuse​

Often, there is not just one factor resulting in a marriage ending. Couples may face many problems, as these divorce statistics show.

But, even when there are a variety of issues, people who dissolve their unions usually report there is one “final straw” or tipping point that pushes them over the edge and causes them to make the final decision to divorce. In fact, 69% of divorcing couples report this is the case.

When there was a final straw, infidelity was the most common issue that ultimately prompted divorce, with 24% of couples reporting this as their final straw. Domestic violence was the ultimate cause of divorce for 21% of couples, and 12% said substance abuse was the deciding issue.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statistics/

But for real, I never suggested anyone should be ruined by divorce. Grow tf up.

Women are the ones who insist upon marriage.

Oh, golly, those poor entrapped men? What the hell are you talking about? Maybe you're from a long line of shotgun marriages caused not by a couple's recklessness but by the scheming hag who forced a man to knock her up, but for the rest of us, marriage is a mutual decision.

And btw, "no fault divorce" doesn't mean no one was at fault. It's an alternative to legally specified criteria. That's it.

think marriage confers status to men.

Marriage is a "status," full stop. Did I say everyone cares about it? I did not.

I am asking for the government to stop enabling divorce to be a wealth transfer from the man (who is the majority earner and asset holder in most marriages) to the woman.

Tell me you know nothing about marriage, louder this time.

But in fact:
In 45% of marriages, women make even or are the breadwinner. 50 years ago it was 15%.

One source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...iages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/

• Far fewer husbands are the sole breadwinner in their marriage these days. The share of marriages where the husband is the primary or sole breadwinner has fallen steadily in recent decades, driven mainly by the declining share of marriages where the husband is the sole provider – this was the arrangement in 49% of marriages in 1972, while today that share is 23%.

Also (citing above): https://fortune.com/2023/04/13/more-american-women-becoming-breadwinners/

I've written far more deeply and with more intense stats on this; feel free to search my comments.

It's only lopsided for fools who think because a woman turned up and had a pulse, she has a right to an equal share. That might have been acceptable when women the weren't earners and men weren't doing domestic labor. However for the majority of modern marriages, even right-wing ones, that isn't the case. If it ever truly was.

Good luck to you in your future divorce. I hope she takes every last penny, if there are even two to rub together.

 

[Kikemaster]

I finished the man-hate thread and I quite liked it (for the most part). I hate tl;dr-s, so I'll try (at least) to keep it short.

What I liked:

• Varied perspectives that hit hard out of the door. Makes the whole reflection process easier. Plus its often funny, even when its not intentional.
• A good lever of humor that was on topic.
• Women not afraid to compare their anecdotal experiences to what they've seen on the internet. A lot of women I know just seem to be "Oh so that's how it is" and seem all around defeatist when it comes to talking about boyfriends/husbands.
• Generally coherent convo without much derailment (probably thanks to null)

What I didn't like:

• Fourth wall breaks (my problem, really)
• Little repetitive with the topics. Then again, multiple posters have said they get heated on the topic, so its understandable.
• Some posters made a "Hit and run" post, where they start sharing a story/opinion and dissapear.

Kind of a powerlevel, but I enjoy these types of topics since its kinda my job, so thanks to all the posters!


>inb4 look at the moid making a list
Can't help it, you'll have to excuse me and my male ways lol

 

[JamusActimus]

More hate threads

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/official-kiwifarms-incel-hate-thread.192816/

 

[GunCar Gary]

Women are, as a whole group, worse off than men post-divorce.

skill issue

after divorce, women experience a 20% decline in income and standard of living as well as a 27% increase in the risk of poverty.

skill issue

On top of that, divorced women are at a much higher risk of losing homeownership and “falling down the housing ladder” than men.

skill issue

at least as of 2019, even women in well-paying jobs still earned about 82 cents for every dollar compared to men in similar positions.

skill issue

the average life expectancy of a woman is longer than that of a man, so the lower amount of money/wealth has, on average, to last longer,

skill issue

men experience an average 30% increase in household income and standard of living.

skill

 

[urr13 account]

so, what does everyone think of the song "The Boys are Back in Town" by Thin Lizzy?

 

[isalaide]

so, what does everyone think of the song "The Boys are Back in Town" by Thin Lizzy?

Grew up on Thin Lizzy. Fucking love them.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Yet, when they voice this, they're called misogynists, incels, and so on. I'd love to know how treating women as equals in a legal contract is misogynistic, or wanting to be able to be married without having a legal gun to my head makes me an incel.

Misogyny in the modern sense doesn't mean hatred of women. Just as racism doesn't mean hatred based on race. Misogyny simply means when a woman isn't allowed to do something or get the outcome she wants. Incel likewise doesn't mean "man who can't get laid", but "man I wouldn't fuck" when it comes out of a woman's mouth.

Women are, as a whole group, worse off than men post-divorce.

And I was proven correct in my assertion you could not show such data.

That doesn't even take into account that
at least as of 2019, even women in well-paying jobs still earned about 82 cents for every dollar compared to men in similar positions. In the long term, that pay gap means a woman will have to work 11 years longer than her ex to make up that difference.

>talking about the pay gap in 2024

"After 1980". Who's playing with data now? How about you provide some evidence?

You keep citing data for couples who got divorced 30-40-50 years ago. None of which has any barring on current (last decade or two) relationships and future relationships. Me pointing out what would represent useful data for the discussion at hand isn't "playing with data".

Because their actions cause most of them. And here's how (recall women initiate more divorces than men):

"Infidelity" - So she stopped putting out and he went a wandering. Key reason why lesbians divorce at three times the rates as gays.

Oh, golly, those poor entrapped men? What the hell are you talking about? Maybe you're from a long line of shotgun marriages caused not by a couple's recklessness but by the scheming hag who forced a man to knock her up, but for the rest of us, marriage is a mutual decision.

You live under a rock. 99% of the people who desire to get married and sooner are women, not men.

And btw, "no fault divorce" doesn't mean no one was at fault. It's an alternative to legally specified criteria. That's it.

Given the big reasons are legal faults, cheating, abuse, etc. It might as well mean no one was at fault.

Marriage is a "status," full stop. Did I say everyone cares about it? I did not.

Tell me you know nothing about marriage, louder this time.

The sources you cited stated men have a dip in income after a divorce. The fact that those men go on to make more money (at least in the 60s, 70s, and 80s) doesn't change the fact what is happening is a wealth transfer, and that's not to mention the asset transfer.

But in fact:
In 45% of marriages, women make even or are the breadwinner. 50 years ago it was 15%.

45% is majority? Did you even stop to think before you posted?

Good luck to you in your future divorce. I hope she takes every last penny, if there are even two to rub together.

Case in point. You can't provide any evidence divorce is ruinous for women in terms of wealth, but you are nonetheless salty and wish divorce on someone else for pointing out the system is unfair.

 

[redcent]

• No-fault divorce cannot result in alimony (child support is fine) and unless co-filed and necessarily favors the party who did not initiate when splitting shared assets (subject to that party's will, can be waived)
• Fault in a marriage automatically results in lesser entitlements to shared assets during rulings
• Any claims made in a divorce court about the conduct of the other party are subject to the same rules they would be in a defamation suit (i.e. you can't just claim the person was abusive with zero evidence to sway the ruling)
• Witholding sex excessively is fault (A dead bedroom is fault)
• Witholding resources excessively is fault (Hiding half a mil from your wife is fault)

So how many SOs have you been able to get to agree to these terms?

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

So how many SOs have you been able to get to agree to these terms?

Not that it matters because they're hypothetical and any contract containing them would be voided by modern family courts, but any SO worth marrying, male or female, would agree that those terms are more than fair. I actually know several women personally who are married to male friends of mine that I've ran these by. They generally agree that such expectations are not unreasonable at all because they possess something called a "brain" and also an even rarer quality called "maturity". I'm sure some of the dudes over in the woman-hate thread won't believe that such a thing is possible, but it is, shocking as it may be. Sadly, I've not found one of these unicorns myself, at least not one who is actually compatible with me in terms of overall life goals.

Marriage is about an equal exchange of responsibilities and resources in order to further the advancement and life satisfaction of both parties. In most cases this means "have kids and raise a family" but not always. If you're not going to engage in marriage in good faith, you shouldn't be married. If you're not willing to share or compromise, you shouldn't be married. If you view the contract as something where you should get more than you give, you shouldn't be married. In a society with a still-present and coherent moral fabric, it's not even necessary to state things like "you can't hide your money from your wife" or "you can't just blue ball your husband", and especially "you can't just break a lifelong vow because you're bored". Sadly that's not our society, which is why these rules should be codified in law to ensure that bad actors are punished for immoral behavior.