Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate & Woman-Hate Thread-Hate Thread

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but any SO worth marrying, male or female, would agree that those terms are more than fair

No... See...

Witholding sex excessively is fault (A dead bedroom is fault)

Being punished for withholding sex, be it man or woman, is never fair.

What kind of third world country are you from where you can't see that?

Not that it matters

I take that as a no.

Sooo, I don't know, why don't you, I don't know, remain unmarried?

Or are you so desperate you turn to triggering the angry ladies of kiwifarms for attention?

Marriage is about an equal exchange of responsibilities and resources in

Marriage is about trust for one.

Aren't men supposed to be leaders? Well here's some leadership notes for you: short of a commie hell hole, you can never force people to follow your lead. Whether it be a country, a company, or a family, there's an amount of volunteering that goes into it, some degree of it, otherwise you gtfo or fight. You can't force people to following a bunch of rules, and fact of this world, people aren't going to agree with you. What leaders do, is they negotiate, understand, learn, compromise.

 

[Spud]

What leaders do, is they negotiate, understand, learn, compromise.

How do you compromise with people who just want the ability to kill kids?

 

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How do you compromise with people who just want the ability to kill kids?

??? I don't know what you are specifically referring to here, if there's some user I missed here who's into that, or if this is just some pro-life thing?

 

[Spud]

??? I don't know what you are specifically referring to here, if there's some user I missed here who's into that, or if this is just some pro-life thing?

It's apparently the majority reason that women vote for left wing parties despite them being the ones that allow dudes in dresses into your bathrooms / changing rooms. Meanies on the right won't let them kill kids and that's why they vote left. How do you compromise with someone like that, I prefer the "what race is it" myself but that was cause its funny, I do agree with the pro-lifers that abortion is murder by definition but I'm okay with letting the mother and father having the choice to abort.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Being punished for withholding sex, be it man or woman, is never fair.

Keeping your spouse sexually satisfied has been recognized as one of the marital duties of both men and women for a long, long time. You can argue that a large percentage of people totally fail at fulfilling this duty, but it's still there. When you purposely neglect what's essentially your obligation that you willingly agreed to, you're putting your spouse in a situation where they either accept their needs may never again be met, or are forced into infidelity. In other words, entrapment.

Before someone accuses me of supporting marital rape or some bullshit like that, no, rape is wrong. If your spouse treats you like trash, you divorce.

 

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It's apparently the majority reason that women vote for left wing parties despite them being the ones that allow dudes in dresses into your bathrooms / changing rooms. Meanies on the right won't let them kill kids and that's why they vote left. How do you compromise with someone like that, I prefer the "what race is it" myself but that was cause its funny, I do agree with the pro-lifers that abortion is murder by definition but I'm okay with letting the mother and father having the choice to abort.

Ah. A pro life thing then. Could of just said.

In answer to your earlier question, look at it, say, from the point of view of someone enjoying a steak dinner. A vegan decides that eating meat is murder and killing an animal is a grevious wrong when you just want your required protein/ iron/ warm dinner. Vegan gets in your face calling you a murderer and waves a placard in your face. In what way would you start agreeing with the vegan?

Or, if you will, the euthanasia pov. A cancer patient is suffering, nothing more can be done with him, but some group insists he has to be kept alive and suffering even though death would be a mercy.

It's apparently the majority reason that women vote for left wing parties

don't look at me I vote liberal

Before someone accuses me of supporting marital rape, no, rape is wrong. If your spouse treats you like trash, you divorce

That's reassuring, tbh. Seriously. You argue online with people all over the globe and one day you could be arguing with a M. E. guy who's into marital rape then another who is just simply on about what you describe.

That said, where is the line between entrapment, as you put it, and simply saying no. How much leeway can you give without giving some creep an advantage into marital rape?

Keeping your spouse sexually satisfied has been recognized as one of the marital duties of both men and women for a long, long time. You can argue that a large percentage of people totally fail at fulfilling this duty, but it's still there.

And that's why I'm single.

It's probably a me-thing. But I do wonder if this obligation has felt too much for other people elsewhere too.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

That said, where is the line between entrapment, as you put it, and simply saying no. How much leeway can you give without giving some creep an advantage into marital rape?

I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to try to conjure up legalese about where this line should be, but I'd just use common sense. Sex is highly emotional so even something like "you pissed me off" can be a reason to withhold, but not if the thing you did to piss me off was something objectively meaningless that happened a year ago and now I'm just being spiteful and I refuse to reconcile with you.
The fact this is so subjective and complicated means this will probably never be recognized as fault in divorce proceedings. But in an ideal world it would be.

 

[Gay Baby Jailer]

In comparison, men experience an average 30% increase in household income and standard of living.

I don't really know too much about the debate you are having. But I have had "statistics" thrown at me in the MATI thread saying that:
"men earn more money once they get married ...[because women push them harder and control them better]"
but now its:
"men earn more money once they get divorced"
so which is true?

 

[Thé au lait]

It's apparently the majority reason that women vote for left wing parties despite them being the ones that allow dudes in dresses into your bathrooms / changing rooms. Meanies on the right won't let them kill kids and that's why they vote left. How do you compromise with someone like that, I prefer the "what race is it" myself but that was cause its funny, I do agree with the pro-lifers that abortion is murder by definition but I'm okay with letting the mother and father having the choice to abort.

>muh baby murder
>omg they'll ruin everything to lichrully murder babies
>it's okay if a moid says so tho
I fucking kneel

 

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From man hate thread:

Edit:
Here is just a quick screenshot grab of some of the posts. There are far more.

This is "tame" and "standard convo"

ಠ_ಠ

Sometimes I need a little reminder like this that guys aren't the only fucked up degenerates on this spastic planet.

Women suck. Men suck. Fuck the human race.

 

[Chandelier]

Infidelity" - So she stopped putting out and he went a wandering. Key reason why lesbians divorce at three times the rates as gays.

Skill issue. Man isn't performing his duties where the wife will happily "put out". If she's being "frigid", and not communicating, the problem is inside the house.

You keep citing data for couples who got divorced 30-40-50 years ago. None of which has any barring on current (last decade or two) relationships and future relationships. Me pointing out what would represent useful data for the discussion at hand isn't "playing with data".

Is 2018 good enough or do we need something more recent? Lemme know if a checklist is required.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Skill issue. Man isn't performing his duties where the wife will happily "put out". If she's being "frigid", and not communicating, the problem is inside the house.

"Performing his duties" - Such as? Cause he's got the bill paying down according your own data you cite later. Or it could be women simply stop putting out, be it in hetero or homo relationships and this leads to more infidelity and higher divorce rates as opposed to homo men.

Is 2018 good enough or do we need something more recent? Lemme know if a checklist is required.

In the year of divorce, women lost approximately 40 % of their predivorce incomes,

Divorce for women in Germany doesn't even account for half of their income and worse still for you

In subsequent years, women’s incomes recovered to reduce the resulting average gender gap from more than 11,000 Euros to approximately 6,500 Euros of equivalized annual household income (all income listed in 2011 values).

So ruinous for women they don't even lose half their income in the divorce and gain a good chuck of that back a few years after.

Y'all will drudge up any old bullshit to say women have it so bad.

 

[Chandelier]

"Performing his duties" - Such as? Cause he's got the bill paying down according your own data you cite later. Or it could be women simply stop putting out, be it in hetero or homo relationships and this leads to more infidelity and higher divorce rates as opposed to homo men.

Why is the woman not putting out? Have you asked? Where is that rationality to make conclusions based on the current evidence? You married your hypothetical wife because you wanted to share a life, household, and children with her. You agreed to give her your body and she hers. Good relationships aren't just based on chemistry, they're based on communication. If you aren't communicating over what you both want, you'll have that 'bitch wife doesn't put out' scenario.

"She's not putting out so I have the right to fuck who I want" is why women initiate 70% of divorces, lmao. If she's not putting out, there's a reason. You'll make assumptions that she's cheating in turn, but why is that? What made her cheat? I don't need to preference psych blogs for this, do I.

So ruinous for women they don't even lose half their income in the divorce and gain a good chuck of that back a few years after.

Y'all will drudge up any old bullshit to say women have it so bad.

OK so we're doing the Reddit thing where we're going to nitpick every single snippet of data just to squeeze something out of it. You don't like it when the dates are too old, and you didn't like one from Europe, so you want to focus on the US. I hear all the time on how men have it so bad and how they'll get divorce raped, yet if men's wages recover after the first few years, I guess it wasn't so bad now, was it? Now we just need to find out why couples divorce.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

Aren't men supposed to be leaders? Well here's some leadership notes for you: short of a commie hell hole, you can never force people to follow your lead. Whether it be a country, a company, or a family, there's an amount of volunteering that goes into it, some degree of it, otherwise you gtfo or fight. You can't force people to following a bunch of rules, and fact of this world, people aren't going to agree with you. What leaders do, is they negotiate, understand, learn, compromise.

You can only negotiate and compromise with rational actors.

 

[Gog & Magog]

You can only negotiate and compromise with rational actors.

Do you have a wife?

 

[Lords Greatsword]

Women suck. Men suck. Fuck the human race.

It's easy to give into misanthropy when confronted with the hypocrisy, the wickedness, and the betrayal that people are capable of.
But to hold fast to the notion that there remain yet some good within humanity - and all the more, to harbor that good yourself - is our one defense against that pessimism.

 

[Lidl Drip]

After extensive studies and careful data analysis the following statistics for the demographics of the userbase of the hate threads have been determined to be as follows...

for the woman hate thread:

5% - old white men 40-50+ (never married)
10% - indian men
25% - homosexuals with AIDS
60% - pooners posting for gender euphoria

and for the man hate thread:

100% - giga stacies

This study has been replicated and peer reviewed.

 

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You can only negotiate and compromise with rational actors.

Who, the boss, or bossed?

No one HAS to lead anyone around. Everyone can live as islands and mind their own buisness as unmarried folk. I encourage them to do so. But if a person/ group of people so insist on being the boss of some relationship, and make known that's what they want, well, you better understand what that means: You're the one who needs to be rational and considerate and comprimise. I don't have to do squat because you have nothing I want.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

Who, the boss, or bossed?

It's a universal truth. You can only negotiate and compromise with a rational counterparty. Which is where:

??? I don't know what you are specifically referring to here, if there's some user I missed here who's into that, or if this is just some pro-life thing?

Comes in, the farms has had multiple instances in tranny and/or muh migrant discussions where the ladies will outright admit there's no lunacy they won't support as long as it comes with the promise of unrestricted, legal child killing for women. In those discussions they also illuminate what they consider to be a rational compromise: Women may choose to use their political power to suppress only those aspects of the tranny/migrant menace that directly bother them if and only if right wing chuds agree to let women legally icepick children as they vacate the birth canal.

There's no rationalizing, negotiating or compromising with a person or group of people with that kind of mindset.

 

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It's a universal truth. You can only negotiate and compromise with a rational counterparty. Which is where:

Comes in, the farms has had multiple instances in tranny and/or muh migrant discussions where the ladies will outright admit there's no lunacy they won't support as long as it comes with the promise of unrestricted, legal child killing for women. In those discussions they also illuminate what they consider to be a rational compromise: Women may choose to use their political power to suppress only those aspects of the tranny/migrant menace that directly bother them if and only if right wing chuds agree to let women legally icepick children as they vacate the birth canal.

There's no rationalizing, negotiating or compromising with a person or group of people with that kind of mindset.

Sir, this is your countries politics. Here, it abortion is not only legal, it is also illegal to protest outside abortion clinics. Probably to avoid bombings """"pro lifers"""" are known for (so rational). I don't have to agree with your ideals and as so someone who never will step foot in your country there's nothing you can do about it.

I also never supported lgbtqwtfbbq and so hold no responsibility towards whatever they do. There's nothing you have on me to push this responsibility onto me.

Why do you care? You're not going to lead them. It's not your job. You can choose who to manage your country, but it won't be "who can push what ideals" and never will be.

If you want to find out why I have my own ideals, by all means. (I was a pro-lifer myself once, for example). Understanding is the only power you or I have online. And if you're salty about who x and y vote for in usa, try and appreciate this power and learn why.