Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate & Woman-Hate Thread-Hate Thread

[Spud]

If you spent the time used to argue with whamen trying to make them "get it" into fixing your diet and going to the gym you'd be jacked by now.

 

[God of Nothing]

If you spent the time used to argue with whamen trying to make them "get it" into fixing your diet and going to the gym you'd be jacked by now.

Edit: to actually give an answer to the advice of self-improvement, it, much like inceldom and feminism, is very misguided. The answer to what plagues men and women today isn't so simple. If everyone were to improve, the average remains the same. The "masturbation" so to speak is related to the goal of improvement. It's one thing if a person is legitimately unhealthy (a fat fuck that can't even find their own genitals), but what we consider average are perfectly healthy people. Much like how when one masturbates they imagine themselves in a certain position, a person who self-improves imagines themselves much the same. But what are the actual results?

Frustration. Let's face it, most of our expectations don't match up to the reality. Self-improvement is personal while masturbation is sexual. So many of our problems today relate to our expectations. That is something far more quantifiable and relatable for everyone. Picking up healthy habits for the sake of being healthy isn't the same as being healthy because you gravitated towards healthy habits. Something much deeper than just not doing the right thing is wrong here. They're not just unhealthy in their bodies: their minds are equally fucked. That is what needs to be solved first.

 

[melty]

Picking up healthy habits for the sake of being healthy isn't the same as being healthy because you gravitated towards healthy habits. Something much deeper than just not doing the right thing is wrong here. They're not just unhealthy in their bodies: their minds are equally fucked. That is what needs to be solved first.

Fixing the body does a LOT to fix the mind. Getting on an exercise routine >>>>> going to therapist, blogging, talking about your feelings, or whatever else.

 

[God of Nothing]

Fixing the body does a LOT to fix the mind. Getting on an exercise routine >>>>> going to therapist, blogging, talking about your feelings, or whatever else.

Body dysmorphia called.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Whatever the case is, incels and MRAs are both less toxic than your average feminist, who are held up in high esteem in western culture, and using both as an insult is primarily done by feminist factions. I'm aware MRAs were an actual group, but feminists used the term as a pejorative because women tend to hate it when men focus on their own issues, god forbid men focus on something other than making women happy for a change.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Whatever the case is, incels and MRAs are both less toxic than your average feminist, who are held up in high esteem in western culture, and using both as an insult is primarily done by feminist factions. I'm aware MRAs were an actual group, but feminists used the term as a pejorative because women tend to hate it when men focus on their own issues, god forbid men focus on something other than making women happy for a change.

I appreciate you, even if you're stubborn.

Eta: same to you @God of Nothing and even you, @Kalsarinännit!

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

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I appreciate you, even if you're stubborn.

A lot of the specifics don't matter. Calling people who have sex "incels" because they say negative things about women, even if they're true, because it upsets women because it attacks their pure, virtuous image they try to cast off, is stupid, especially given the way most modern women vote and behave.

I've never had a woman justify to me why tarot cards, astrology, progressivism, etc are so popular with women. That's not male stuff, that's female stuff. And yet, all the insults are levied at men. It's even women that go to drag shows in droves.

 

[dvnc]

because women tend to hate it when men focus on their own issues, god forbid men focus on something other than making women happy for a change.

Bro, I don't know where the hell you're meeting women but you're clearly interacting with ones that are too young-minded, too young (early 20's), and too woke.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Bro, I don't know where the hell you're meeting women but you're clearly interacting with ones that are too young-minded, too young (early 20's), and too woke.

20s and 30s in a deeply conservative place. That's not to say I date conservative women, their ~fantasy~ is rugged cowboy type. I'd prefer a moderate but women like the excitement of radical statements and politics, even if they aren't very well thought out. The thing most clear about dating women is that women have a fantasy in their head they are searching for and they will discard any guy at a moment's notice if they find someone who better fits that fantasy. Even into the 40s. I don't really care about age, social status, etc. So long as they are a little bit attractive and more importantly have an interesting personality, though I am beginning to think the former is too much an ask in this society. In fact I don't really like women in their 20s because Gen Z is even stupider and more shallower than millennials.

I think you women stick to your small peer groups and don't really know what is out there. I think you need to make an account on dating apps... Hinge, Bumble, Tinder, OKCupid... and just browse around America. See what selection men have. Use the picture of an average-looking guy. See what we see, for once.

But other than overseas it's been pretty much the same throughout America. I don't really see a difference. I used to run groups that would post the terrible profiles, particularly the far-left monster ones. And overseas it's easier for Americans because many women have ~their fantasy~ about America and Americans due to Hollywood's influence on foreign countries. I turned one girl in Eastern Europe off by saying I didn't own my own home, she had her entire view of America through movies in NYC and California.

Perhaps, since women insist men should ~listen and believe~ them, women would also benefit by ~listen and believe~ men.

Ah, I still cannot get an answer on the drag/socialism/mysticism stuff. But I know that when arguing with women, they are very selective about what they respond to.

You can just look at how the mores and standards have changed. Go on /r/gonewild and you can see women just posting their nudes and getting excited by the responses. A lot of women don't need the average guy, they can have variety and those men will still buy shit for them. I've been in chat rooms where I hear the women brag all about it. All us men see it, but women seem to not want to believe this is how it works and just keep gaslighting us and blaming us even though American social relations are increasingly turning into harems.

Of course, anything women want is precious and sacred, and us men just need to get powerful, wealthy, and dominate if we want a non-toxic relationship, right? That's the rules? It's always "men need to change for women" and never women do anything wrong--not even here on KF. Fuck, you guys even tell us we're shallow for not dating fat chicks meanwhile tell us we need to work on ourselves and work out and get muscular if we want to expect any attention.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

A lot of the specifics don't matter. Calling people who have sex "incels" because they say negative things about women, even if they're true, because it upsets women because it attacks their pure, virtuous image they try to cast off, is stupid, especially given the way most modern women vote and behave.

I've never had a woman justify to me why tarot cards, astrology, progressivism, etc are so popular with women. That's not male stuff, that's female stuff. And yet, all the insults are levied at men. It's even women that go to drag shows in droves.

Damn, guy, a quick hot two paragraphs within 3 minutes of my comment! Which comment was an attempt to smooth away friction, fyi. And which, btw, was a way of expressing empathy and understanding of the root cause of frustration, while recognizing the likely low probability of a reciprocal perspective.

Calling people who have sex "incels" because they say negative things about women, even if they're true, because it upsets women because it attacks their pure, virtuous image they try to cast off, is stupid, especially given the way most modern women vote and behave.

(I think you meant "don't have sex"?). Either way, I haven't done that here, or anywhere. And I haven't seen anything showing that most people using the term pejoratively are basing that criticism purely on sexual experience/lack, rather than on stated or advocated views.

My experience of feminism is that it has multiple strains and manifestations, many of which I do not endorse (particularly current-day, unnuanced positions, which in common discussion by advocates and detractors alike, tend toward absolutism or the reactionary, or alternatively are diluted beyond recognition and relevance). But feminism of any sort is not premised on action (sexual experience/lack), but rather a fundamental characteristic present from birth and immutable*. But though I challenge the fundamental merits of the analogy and attempt to square up "Incel ideology" and feminism, I'm also saying (again) that the issue with "Incels" is the stated associated views, not the physical/ experiential qualities of men who have not had sex.

*trans and other dilutive stuff aside, which is just

women have a fantasy in their head they are searching for

I agree that this occurs and is too common - though my rationale for agreement that this is a bad thing is likely for differentlh prioritized reasons than yours. In my view, this is most bad because fantasy harms individuals who hold it. Yes, it also harms those they want to impose that fantasy on. But whether it's the fantasies of women about men or the fantasies of men about women, the issue (and resolution) is with those who have the fantasy.

I think you women stick to your small peer groups and don't really know what is out there. I think you need to make an account on dating apps... Hinge, Bumble, Tinder, OKCupid... and just browse around America. See what selection men have. Use the picture of an average-looking guy. See what we see, for once.

Did that. And when I filtered for women with decent education, income, and minimal ability to articulate a basic profile, I was impressed. [Yes, I added some filters because I wanted to analogize as much as possible to what filters I used as a woman. (And btw in my actual, not research as if a man seeking a woman, profile, yes I did filter for education and income. But that never prevented people way outside those parameters from reaching out. Which is fine; life isn't numbers. But there is something to be said for minimal commonalities.)]. Now, I did not actually reach out to women as a pretend man, because that would be a shitty bridge too far. But I did survey the pool.

Perhaps, since women insist men should ~listen and believe~ them, women would also benefit by ~listen and believe~ men.

I think most men do. But online/here - as demonstrated in this very thread /exchange - it is met by dogged combativeness. How many times have I said I don't judge by sexual experience, or stated I understand the frustration or some point? How many times have you?

Ah, I still cannot get an answer on the drag/socialism/mysticism stuff.

Tbh, I haven't understood your questions on these things (and btw, iirc, many of your comments were just comments. Fyi, a statement of irritation isn't a question; if you just say something, I assume you just want to say it (and might respond or not).) And if you have a general question you throw out, it may be that no one really knows what you're talking about or has the view you're aiming to critique, so have no real comment in response.

But I'm on a lunchbreak from a continuing ed course, so what are the "drag/ socialism/ mysticism" questions you have?

But I know that when arguing with women, they are very selective about what they respond to.

Everyone is. Nothing personal. (And you've not come close to responding to all of my comments, but my response to that was to move on, not sulk.)

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Damn, guy, a quick hot two paragraphs within 3 minutes of my comment! Which comment was an attempt to smooth away friction, fyi. And which, btw, was a way of expressing empathy and understanding of the root cause of frustration, while recognizing the likely low probability of a reciprocal perspective.

I have a fever right now and am out of it but I type very fast.

I agree that this occurs and is too common - though my rationale for agreement that this is a bad thing is likely for differentlh prioritized reasons than yours. In my view, this is most bad because fantasy harms individuals who hold it. Yes, it also harms those they want to impose that fantasy on. But whether it's the fantasies of women about men or the fantasies of men about women, the issue (and resolution) is with those who have the fantasy.

I cant' believe you have sympathy for the woman for the unrealistic standards. This is why we'll never see eye-to-eye, you will always circle back to putting the woman in a good light.

Did that. And when I filtered for women with decent education, income, and minimal ability to articulate a basic profile, I was impressed. [Yes, I added some filters because I wanted to analogize as much as possible to what filters I used as a woman. (And btw in my actual, not research as if a man seeking a woman, profile, yes I did filter for education and income. But that never prevented people way outside those parameters from reaching out. Which is fine; life isn't numbers. But there is something to be said for minimal commonalities.)]. Now, I did not actually reach out to women as a pretend man, because that would be a shitty bridge too far. But I did survey the pool.

You must have been paying, no app allows you to filter by those anymore for free, or else you're lying. Or it was 10 years ago or so. There's something you're not telling me, because I have done this and not seen very many people that are actual humans.

Also, appearances can be deceiving. Those women often are fucking multiple guys and are there for one night stands, they just say otherwise in case guys they work with or whatever see their profile. Women go through big lengths to protect their reputation. Cocaine addictions, infidelity, meth, I've seen it all. Except mental soundness, stability, and pro-sociality. I have never been with a mentally sound woman in my life. Every single one of them ended up being trainwreck or a sociopath.

Either that, or you're very comfortable with your average woke, socialist woman, who is more the norm today than not.

I think most men do. But online/here - as demonstrated in this very thread /exchange - it is met by dogged combativeness. How many times have I said I don't judge by sexual experience, or stated I understand the frustration or some point? How many times have you?

You don't, but most women do. We aren't arguing about you.

Tbh, I haven't understood your questions on these things (and btw, iirc, many of your comments were just comments. Fyi, a statement of irritation isn't a question; if you just say something, I assume you just want to say it (and might respond or not).) And if you have a general question you throw out, it may be that no one really knows what you're talking about or has the view you're aiming to critique, so have no real comment in response.

But I'm on a lunchbreak from a continuing ed course, so what are the "drag/ socialism/ mysticism" questions you have?

Why is it women that believe in those things, why is it women that like drag, why it is women into tarot cards and astrology....?

If women in general have such sounds minds and judgment, why do they literally believe in magic and fantasy?

Have you kept up on the modern culture? A laaaaarge number of women call themselves "witches" now.

 

[dvnc]

Ah, I still cannot get an answer on the drag/socialism/mysticism stuff. But I know that when arguing with women, they are very selective about what they respond to.

Oh my bad. I'm not into any of that shit and I'm conservative. I've no genuine idea why it's a thing. Again, always assumed it was on the younger crowd.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Oh my bad. I'm not into any of that shit and I'm conservative. I've no genuine idea why it's a thing. Again, always assumed it was on the younger crowd.

It's not. Most women are composed of nothing more than the current trends.

 

[dvnc]

It's not. Most women are composed of nothing more than the current trends.

Most people are. You can't deny that both sexes glom on to trends and pump this out endlessly and create their personas around them, even if they don't understand in toto what they mean/represent.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Most people are. You can't deny that both sexes glom on to trends and pump this out endlessly and create their personas around them, even if they don't understand in toto what they mean/represent.

Not to the extent women do. Women made fun of any loser that played video games, up until it was cool to play video games. Thus came "the geek girl." Now witchcraft and shit is the trend cuz they grew up with Harry Potter. Men aren't into that shit.

Men were already into video games, in a span of a decade suddenly women were too and we're supposed to forget they never were.

 

[dvnc]

BUT... you still agree that both sexes do this.

S'why I can't stand young millennials/zoomers.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

BUT... you still agree that both sexes do this.

S'why I can't stand young millennials/zoomers.

Yes, but one sex is willing to believe in full on paganism because they read Harry Potter as a child.

 

[dvnc]

im gonna bang your head on a wall

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

im gonna bang your head on a wall

I've already banged my head on a wall called "womankind"

There's not a bone in my body that believes a healthy and real relationship with a woman where both sides give evenly is possible. I couldn't even picture it in my head.

 

[dvnc]

I promise you it can happen. My words are meaningless though, I know.