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Official Kiwi Farms Man/Woman Unity Thread - Because you can't make babies on your own
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How do you want me to speak differently though? Also any thread about gender relations is fragile enough without me getting mad at insults. I've been online long enough to not care. Thanks though.
My thoughts exactly.
What the fuck is happening here lol
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What exactly happened to this thread? I was sad to see it in spurgatory when I found it the first time and I'm trying to avoid that outcome with this one.
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I thought I made it pretty clear. You should try speaking on a conversational basis. You have a strangely formal tone that's offputting, at least to me. If you waltzed into a pub and opened up to a group of guys with the same stuff you put in your OP they're gonna look at you funny and slowly turn away.
Also you probably should ask the mods to move this thread to Deep Thoughts if you're looking for more than just shitpostery. I'd probably still call you names but you'd have more receptive and thunkful people responding to you.
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Don't sperg out super hard about feminism like the other OP and keep an open mind and you should be fine I think, but ultimately it's up to the mods.
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Yeah, that's a great sentiment.
Modern society is fucked, we can't continue like this
You have a bunch of sexual deviants at the top manipulating honest men and women into being just like them, and then blaming each other for the problems that come from living like them
Sometimes it feels like the only way to get a GF these days (or not to get banned from all platforms) is to lie about who you are and what you like and what you dislike as much as possible, so women won't reject you for not bowing down to our fucked up society expectations.
And at the same time, women are constantly humiliated and gaslit by the same societal expectations. They grow up watching Hannah Montanah, just to watch her become a whore the moment she turns 18. All of the media and entertainment they get is filled with sexually liberated whores, hedonistic fat women, trannies and gays, who demand to be respected. They grow up with kind and beautiful and feminine Disney princesses, only to be told that they can't be like that anymore - that was all MAN oppression - , they actually need to be the sassy cool girl who is better than the boys, and that the Stacy femine girls are all mean and bad and sluts, but it's ok for YOU to be a slut, and you should hook up as much as possible until you find the perfect simp who is also very handsome - but you don't need men at all, only 10 different kinds of pills and a therapist.
I hate the anti christ
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The actual demographics of people who truly hate the opposite sex is pretty minimal, and the vast majority of people who rage about it online aren't that dedicated to their beliefs. Outside of performative ideology, it's mostly frustrated, usually single people whose hate campaigns only last up until they meet someone of the opposite sex in person who's nice and gives them positive attention (which is sometimes much easier said than done given how isolating the modern world can be).
This isn't South Korea, gender haters here in the west are amateurs.
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There's so much about society that's damaging to men, women and the relationships between them. I'll try to sum up some of my (hopefully not-entirely-obvious) theories & observations.
Men have no good role models
Fathers being absent from their sons' lives due to divorce is a well known issue, but our media only make it worse: In every movie, every TV show the protagonist is the absolute loser, a guy who's physically and mentally weak, who's not in control of his body, without charisma or leadership skills. Then some magic happens (like Harry gets his letter, Spiderman gets bitten by a mutant spider, ...) and the guy is, without any effort on his part, catapulted into being cool and capable. But life doesn't work that way and all the boys who grow up having these nerdy, non-offensive, non-aggressive "heroes" as their models are destined to just become sad and bitter losers.
Notice how the female (side) protagonists never have this issue. I genuinely think this is an intentional psyop.
The right is fucking retarded when it comes to women
I get where it stems from: women (or at least young women) really are much more progressive/liberal than their male counterparts and its infuriating. Men want to love women, instead they're made to fight them. But if you want to LARP as the gender of reason, you need to recognize, that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with women. It's just that some of their characteristics, like increased empathy and tendency to not rebel/follow the mainstream, have been subverted to support Current Year.
The right needs to have a positive message for women. You are valued, we do need you, we care about your issues, you're not just an afterthought in the movement and if you made some mistakes, we will still be happy to receive you without rubbing it in your face.
I'm sort of hopeful, that the current Christianity trend could inject this perspective, since this is what any real Christian should believe anyway - especially the part about atonement.
Men are scared of women
I guess women might not perceive this, but growing up as a man nowadays you are constantly reminded to "respect boundaries", "not bother women", or "not sexualize women". Just today I got on a tram and read a poster which said "Staring IS harassment", paid for by the city government of course. The endless talk about consent and boundaries and blahblahblah only has one real outcome and that is, that well-mannered men are frickin' scared of showing their interest in women not to mention initiating physicality, lest they be acused of creepiness and whatnot. The rapeapes still gon' rape and no "public awareness campaign" will ever change that.
To illustrate I'll PL here a bit and say, that the first time a girl put her hand on mine, clearly with the intention of initiating sexy stuffz, my immediate instinct was to retract my hand, because I didn't want to look like a creep. Obviously she got up and found someone less autistic around the campfire to cuddle with.
Hand in hand with that is the issue of masculinity being considered something toxic and thus unsuitable to teach to young men. For example nobody's gonna tell you to be persistent when pursuing women, eventhough IT FUCKING WORKS. Men are basically left to figure everything out on their own, maybe with the help of their close friends if they're lucky, and they're left to do that in an environment which actively feeds them straight up lies.
Men are lazy and comfortable
Computer games and pornography have been a disaster for the moid race. Yeah, I won't look for rationalizations on this one. A lot of us are just straight up pathetic with that stuff.
Pornography production and distribution should be banned, parents should exercise some fucking authority over their sons, so that they don't waste their formative years on bullshit globohomo entertainment.
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Originally I was going to continue like this about women as well, but this is already a WoT, so in short:
Men have no good role models
Fathers being absent from their sons' lives due to divorce is a well known issue, but our media only make it worse: In every movie, every TV show the protagonist is the absolute loser, a guy who's physically and mentally weak, who's not in control of his body, without charisma or leadership skills. Then some magic happens (like Harry gets his letter, Spiderman gets bitten by a mutant spider, ...) and the guy is, without any effort on his part, catapulted into being cool and capable. But life doesn't work that way and all the boys who grow up having these nerdy, non-offensive, non-aggressive "heroes" as their models are destined to just become sad and bitter losers.
Notice how the female (side) protagonists never have this issue. I genuinely think this is an intentional psyop.
The right is fucking retarded when it comes to women
I get where it stems from: women (or at least young women) really are much more progressive/liberal than their male counterparts and its infuriating. Men want to love women, instead they're made to fight them. But if you want to LARP as the gender of reason, you need to recognize, that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with women. It's just that some of their characteristics, like increased empathy and tendency to not rebel/follow the mainstream, have been subverted to support Current Year.
The right needs to have a positive message for women. You are valued, we do need you, we care about your issues, you're not just an afterthought in the movement and if you made some mistakes, we will still be happy to receive you without rubbing it in your face.
I'm sort of hopeful, that the current Christianity trend could inject this perspective, since this is what any real Christian should believe anyway - especially the part about atonement.
Men are scared of women
I guess women might not perceive this, but growing up as a man nowadays you are constantly reminded to "respect boundaries", "not bother women", or "not sexualize women". Just today I got on a tram and read a poster which said "Staring IS harassment", paid for by the city government of course. The endless talk about consent and boundaries and blahblahblah only has one real outcome and that is, that well-mannered men are frickin' scared of showing their interest in women not to mention initiating physicality, lest they be acused of creepiness and whatnot. The rapeapes still gon' rape and no "public awareness campaign" will ever change that.
To illustrate I'll PL here a bit and say, that the first time a girl put her hand on mine, clearly with the intention of initiating sexy stuffz, my immediate instinct was to retract my hand, because I didn't want to look like a creep. Obviously she got up and found someone less autistic around the campfire to cuddle with.
Hand in hand with that is the issue of masculinity being considered something toxic and thus unsuitable to teach to young men. For example nobody's gonna tell you to be persistent when pursuing women, eventhough IT FUCKING WORKS. Men are basically left to figure everything out on their own, maybe with the help of their close friends if they're lucky, and they're left to do that in an environment which actively feeds them straight up lies.
Men are lazy and comfortable
Computer games and pornography have been a disaster for the moid race. Yeah, I won't look for rationalizations on this one. A lot of us are just straight up pathetic with that stuff.
Pornography production and distribution should be banned, parents should exercise some fucking authority over their sons, so that they don't waste their formative years on bullshit globohomo entertainment.
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Originally I was going to continue like this about women as well, but this is already a WoT, so in short:
- Feminism is the original poison and women should ditch it as a platform. Not to say we shouldn't be discussing women's issues, but feminism is not only not needed for that, it's straight up counter productive with it's toxic and divisive tone and history.
- Don't dress and act like prostitutes. Please have some class and self respect. There's nothing more demoralizing and you are frankly prettier without your leggins exposing every contour of your buttcrack.
- Appreciate men. Sometimes I feel like women view men as something burdensome. Like they would much rather be a heckin' cool lesbian, but begrudgingly, because they're not really into that, they settle for being with a man whom they occasionally torture with remarks about how totally bisexual they are. Even outside romantic relationships it would be nice to get some acknowledgement. You know having fought in wars and building and producing everything you rely on in your daily lives.
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Constant access to the internet means men have the most vile, addictive pornography at the tips of their fingers and women are constantly comparing themselves to other women using tons of editing and plastic surgery. Since so much internet traffic/attention is dedicated to pornography, insecure women behave more and more provocatively to get male attention.
The (relatively recent) fact that women can vote, work, etc. without the assistance of a man means that a large chunk of a man's role in a relationship is now obsolete (sole provider and the "agent" of the woman). The (relatively recent) fact that pregnancy/childbirth/childhood deaths have gone down and the cost of living has skyrocketed means that a large chunk of a woman's role in a relationship is still present, but less of a priority--no need to spend most of your time creating or raising kids if it's prohibitively expensive and there's a 95% chance your kids will all live to adulthood. There's also the fact that contraceptives are widely available and as it turns out most women would prefer to avoid unplanned pregnancies. I think both sexes are still adjusting to these shifts.
The (relatively recent) fact that women can vote, work, etc. without the assistance of a man means that a large chunk of a man's role in a relationship is now obsolete (sole provider and the "agent" of the woman). The (relatively recent) fact that pregnancy/childbirth/childhood deaths have gone down and the cost of living has skyrocketed means that a large chunk of a woman's role in a relationship is still present, but less of a priority--no need to spend most of your time creating or raising kids if it's prohibitively expensive and there's a 95% chance your kids will all live to adulthood. There's also the fact that contraceptives are widely available and as it turns out most women would prefer to avoid unplanned pregnancies. I think both sexes are still adjusting to these shifts.
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I definitely put a more romantic tone (in the old sense of the world) when I talk about stuff I care a lot about. I do it far less in person. I understand your point though. Do you think it would actually get more traffic in Deep Thoughts? A lot of the threads there seemed more like shower thoughts last I checked.
Should be easy enough.
Some very good points, especially about the terrible examples being shown to little girls. Never lie to a date though, it will end badly every time, but I see what you mean. Don't always assume that they're looking for someone who buys into mainstream slop either. Plenty of women see through the shit, they're just not loud about it.
That last part cannot be said enough. A nice girl or guy can completely change someone's outlook, even if it's just a friend. I know the women in my family basically inoculated me against falling to pure women hate because they were always so supportive towards me. Even when I started learning about the gender war and how many stats that make men look bad are fake, growing up with them kept me from becoming a raging misogynist. I also had a lot of very kind female friends growing up, which helped.
I cannot stress thus enough: if you know someone of the opposite sex who has fallen into the gender war, be the shining counter example for them. It will absolutely help, even if they don't show it. And encouragement is huge.
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Chuds ’n’ Hoes, Chuds ’n’ Hoes, I gotta have me more chuds ’n’ hoes
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If Dear Feeder didn’t want farmers to get married, why did he create a trophy for it
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I think it's a mix of that and philosophical questions, and much better than some alternatives. If put it in Mass Debates every reply would boil down to "Jews did this" and saying the same thing over and over again isn't exactly conducive to intelligent discourse. If you put it in BP every user would spam rape statistics at you. Deep Thoughts is probably best. General as I understand it tends toward lighter discussions, though maybe I'm wrong and I just don't visit here enough.
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Maybe stop using fictional characters as role models.
Sounds like a you problem. Maybe you should stop being such a pussy? I can't recall ever once in my life recoiling away from a woman touching me.
Just talk to women like they're people you dumb nigger. It's not fucking difficult. Like for example, I have this coworker. He sits in the corner with his arms crossed staring at the wall a lot. Barely talks to anyone. There's a chick in the department, she talks just fine with everyone there. We'll all be sitting having a conversation me, the other guys and this girl and buddy sits there in the corner arms crossed saying nothing. Then buddy decides randomly out of the blue he's going to ask this girl out. Naturally she rejected him because he doesn't speak and just sits glaring at the wall and comes across as incredibly fucking weird and offputting and when he does say anything to her it's very obvious he's nervous.
just be a normal fucking person. This gender bullshit doesn't exist because of any of that gay shit in your post. It exists because people don't know how to interact with other people in a normal fucking way. Humanity's social skills have devolved into nigger tier levels because nobody respects eachother any more. It doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman treat the fucking people you interact with with respect. The way people in general treat eachother, talk to eachother and view eachother as is disgusting. The idea of just respecting other people because everybody deserves respect unless they've proven they don't has just flown out the window and instead
Every single one of these gender threads, good or bad, is just another way to dehumanize people into 'others'. Just treat all people as people.
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Man must control woman. That's the way it has to be.
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Just treat them like wild animals. Offer them food, speak in a low soothing tone, and don't make sudden moves. Once they've acclimated to your presence you can try touching them, just remember they're more scared of you than you are of them.
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